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Reply #45 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 1:20pm
 
Panther wrote on Dec 9th, 2016 at 3:27pm:
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The Second Amendment:
The Right protecting ALL the other Unalienable Rights.






The right to be part of an antiquated militia system is the reason for the second amendment.

99% of armed US citizens will never be a part of such a group

You know this is the same sort of structure that the US claimed was not legitimate in Afghanistan in reference to the northern alliance.

One of the problems with the US constitution is that antiquated provisions like this are stuck in the agreement for no valid reason.
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Reply #46 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 1:57pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 1:17pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 12:59pm:
I've always said..,...if you have a violent mental illness history, or you have been diagnosed as mentally ill, you should never be permitted to own or use a firearm, or any type of weapon for that matter.


So, you support the confiscation of firearms from the "mentally ill"?

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Also, if you have a criminal record, especially a violent criminal history, & you have served 1 year or more in prison, you should never be permitted to own or use a firearm, or any type of weapon for that matter.


So, that covers legal firearms.  1 year appears rather arbitrary though.  Surely it should be on the seriousness of the crime?

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Everyone else, male or female of age, who wishes to own, keep, &/or carry a firearm should not be kept from doing so after passing an extensive background check, to be conducted & completed within a short, but reasonable time....say 3 to 5 days. The potential gun owner needs not provide any reason(s) for desiring said firearms, & if stated willfully & voluntarily, the potential use for self-defense would be a completely acceptable reason, & never preclude them from ownership.  http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/cleanteeth09.gif


So, no restrictions on the type of firearm that can be owned?   No regulation as far as age is concerned?   No regulation as far as training/ability is concerned?

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That's quite restrictive in my view.....but not for some bed-wetters.  Roll Eyes


You appear to oppose the regulated ownership of firearms (ie, you support essentially unregulated ownership).  My, how American of you and so at odds with what the overwhelming majority of Australians believe...   Roll Eyes


So, no restrictions on the type of firearm that can be owned?


Maybe restrict the sale & ownership of RPGs & Machine guns, unless made permanently unusable, otherwise all handguns & rifles (semi-auto or not) would be perfectly acceptable.


No regulation as far as age is concerned?

Can't you read.....I said "of age",  which I would think over 21 or say 24 to be about right.

1 year appears rather arbitrary though.  Surely it should be on the seriousness of the crime?


If a person is deprived of their freedom & liberty for over 1 year, that would be for something pretty serious, but regardless of reason, it should preclude them...simple, & easy.

So, you support the confiscation of firearms from the "m entally ill"?

If a person is determined/diagnosed as mentally ill, with a condition that would cause them to potentially become violent....where firearm possession & ownership would be normally & logically unacceptable, any known firearms they posses should be removed from them immediately upon such determination & or diagnosis.




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Reply #47 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 2:21pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 1:20pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 9th, 2016 at 3:27pm:
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The Second Amendment:
The Right protecting ALL the other Unalienable Rights.






The right to be part of an antiquated militia system is the reason for the second amendment.

99% of armed US citizens will never be a part of such a group

You know this is the same sort of structure that the US claimed was not legitimate in Afghanistan in reference to the northern alliance.

One of the problems with the US constitution is that antiquated provisions like this are stuck in the agreement for no valid reason.


You have the right to your own personal opinions & points of view.

That's your personal prerogative.

As for the US Constitution, the U.S. Supreme Court.......who, btw, has the final say in America regarding such matters......differs dramatically with your meager personal assessments & "interpretations".

In closing, you said "99% of armed US citizens will never be a part of such a group" ....... To the contrary, they ARE the Militia .... each & every one of them.
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Re: The reality of Unhinged Firearm Owners
Reply #48 - Dec 12th, 2016 at 8:24am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 1:20pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 9th, 2016 at 3:27pm:
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The Second Amendment:
The Right protecting ALL the other Unalienable Rights.






The right to be part of an antiquated militia system is the reason for the second amendment.

99% of armed US citizens will never be a part of such a group

You know this is the same sort of structure that the US claimed was not legitimate in Afghanistan in reference to the northern alliance.

One of the problems with the US constitution is that antiquated provisions like this are stuck in the agreement for no valid reason.


The Second Amendment was always about protecting us from an unjust government. When every other means of resistance is exhausted armed resistance is all that is left. It doesn't matter if you like that or not, our culture only recently started teaching subservience to government. It is an amazing tragedy what has happened to the culture of the US these last eight years!
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Re: The consquences of unregulated firearms ownership
Reply #49 - Dec 12th, 2016 at 8:36am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 1:12pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 12:41am:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2016 at 11:21pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 9th, 2016 at 3:44pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 5:38pm:
I don't think the American, "Panther", understands Medicare, Bojack.   It's "socialism" to him and shouldn't be trusted.

As to the NRA being "the enemy", they are only an enemy to freedom, truth and justice - the very things they proclaim are the "American way" (as the old Superman series used to proclaim).  They cannot accept that people in Australia don't want semi-automatic firearms in the way they apparently thirst for them.    Roll Eyes



I loved semi-autos, my favs were the SLR & AR 15. Excellent hunting weapons.

Not everyone is terrified of a chemical process contained in an inanimate object made of metal, plastic & wood.  Smiley


I am not terrified by them either.  I am frightened of the loons like Baron and Co. who desire to have access to these weapons simply because it suits their purposes.  They give no consideration as to what the consequences would be.   We only need to look across the Pacific to the US to see that.  Their society is sick and it shows in their murder statistics.   Roll Eyes



Obama supporters in the big cities account for nearly all violence statistics.


Evidence, please.  Or is this merely your usual, foundless, opinion again?  Roll Eyes

Find your own links, I've done it before and it never seems to make a difference.


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The country is divided in blue states and red states by voting patterns. The states are further divided by blue counties and red counties. If you are in the red areas you are safer than in your own home. If you are in the blue areas you are probably just as safe. If on the other hand you associate with the criminal element chances are things can go very badly for you!


Yet the statistics suggest otherwise.  Over 70,000 deaths from firearms in a single year!  Disgusting!   Roll Eyes



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States


Actually it is a little over eleven thousand deaths, since your culture legalized euthanasia we will exclude the twenty one thousand people that voluntarily shot themselves. That is a small number for a population of over three hundred million!
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Reply #50 - Dec 12th, 2016 at 4:00pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12th, 2016 at 8:36am:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

Actually it is a little over eleven thousand deaths, since your culture legalized euthanasia we will exclude the twenty one thousand people that voluntarily shot themselves. That is a small number for a population of over three hundred million!


Sorry?  We have "legalised euthanasia"?  Really?  I am amazed!  First I've heard of it!   Roll Eyes

I much prefer this website for firearms related deaths and injuries in the US.    Roll Eyes

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Reply #51 - Dec 12th, 2016 at 4:12pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2016 at 11:21pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 9th, 2016 at 3:44pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 5:38pm:
I don't think the American, "Panther", understands Medicare, Bojack.   It's "socialism" to him and shouldn't be trusted.

As to the NRA being "the enemy", they are only an enemy to freedom, truth and justice - the very things they proclaim are the "American way" (as the old Superman series used to proclaim).  They cannot accept that people in Australia don't want semi-automatic firearms in the way they apparently thirst for them.    Roll Eyes



I loved semi-autos, my favs were the SLR & AR 15. Excellent hunting weapons.

Not everyone is terrified of a chemical process contained in an inanimate object made of metal, plastic & wood.  Smiley


I am not terrified by them either.  I am frightened of the loons like Baron and Co. who desire to have access to these weapons simply because it suits their purposes.  They give no consideration as to what the consequences would be.   We only need to look across the Pacific to the US to see that.  Their society is sick and it shows in their murder statistics.   Roll Eyes



I am all for doing everything possible about ensuring loons and the intellectually deficients never have access to weapons, but that is not what we did.

We carried on and continue to carry on like frightened children; p1ssing our collective pantaloons at the mere mention of the word, gun


How Australia carries on about firearms is an embarrassment.

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Reply #52 - Dec 12th, 2016 at 5:02pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 12th, 2016 at 4:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2016 at 11:21pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 9th, 2016 at 3:44pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 5:38pm:
I don't think the American, "Panther", understands Medicare, Bojack.   It's "socialism" to him and shouldn't be trusted.

As to the NRA being "the enemy", they are only an enemy to freedom, truth and justice - the very things they proclaim are the "American way" (as the old Superman series used to proclaim).  They cannot accept that people in Australia don't want semi-automatic firearms in the way they apparently thirst for them.    Roll Eyes



I loved semi-autos, my favs were the SLR & AR 15. Excellent hunting weapons.

Not everyone is terrified of a chemical process contained in an inanimate object made of metal, plastic & wood.  Smiley


I am not terrified by them either.  I am frightened of the loons like Baron and Co. who desire to have access to these weapons simply because it suits their purposes.  They give no consideration as to what the consequences would be.   We only need to look across the Pacific to the US to see that.  Their society is sick and it shows in their murder statistics.   Roll Eyes


I am all for doing everything possible about ensuring loons and the intellectually deficients never have access to weapons, but that is not what we did.


Wasn't it?  We forced the loons and the intellectually deficients to hand in their dangerous semi-automatic longarms and pump-action (and now lever actions) shotguns.  They were able to, once they became members of responsible firearms owning associations, replace them with other firearms, considered less dangerous and more difficult to kill large numbers of people with.

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We carried on and continue to carry on like frightened children; p1ssing our collective pantaloons at the mere mention of the word, gun


I don't.   I don't know of any people who act that way, except those who create the fantasy that they exist.

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How Australia carries on about firearms is an embarrassment.


Not according to the more intelligent in America.  We have solved the firearms regulation puzzle which they find too hard to solve.

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Reply #53 - Dec 12th, 2016 at 6:03pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2016 at 5:02pm:
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How Australia carries on about firearms is an embarrassment.


Not according to the more intelligent in America.  We have solved the firearms regulation puzzle which they find too hard to solve.



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"Not according to  the more intelligent the Frothing Gun-Grabbing Extreme-Left in America."


Not to hard to solve ..... impossible to solve in their eyes, because they have something we don't have to contend with here in Australia .... much to their gun-grabbing chagrin ..... they have to deal with a Sacred & Revered U.S. Constitution.....& they have to deal with the Second Amendment of that Constitution ..... which, unless repealed through the extremely rigorous 
Constitutional Amendment Process,
  will always be an integral part of the Supreme Law of the Land in America.
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Reply #54 - Dec 12th, 2016 at 6:24pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2016 at 5:02pm:
Wasn't it?  We forced the loons and the intellectually deficients to hand in their dangerous semi-automatic longarms and pump-action (and now lever actions) shotguns.  They were able to, once they became members of responsible firearms owning associations, replace them with other firearms, considered less dangerous and more difficult to kill large numbers of people with.




That one statement pretty much destroyed any standing you had.


You are no different than the rest of the puppy hysterics. Better luck bullsh1tting someone else, I have your mark.


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Reply #55 - Dec 12th, 2016 at 6:48pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 12th, 2016 at 6:24pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2016 at 5:02pm:
Wasn't it?  We forced the loons and the intellectually deficients to hand in their dangerous semi-automatic longarms and pump-action (and now lever actions) shotguns.  They were able to, once they became members of responsible firearms owning associations, replace them with other firearms, considered less dangerous and more difficult to kill large numbers of people with.



That one statement pretty much destroyed any standing you had.

You are no different than the rest of the puppy hysterics. Better luck bullsh1tting someone else, I have your mark.


Like most gun nuts you are intolerant of differences of opinion, Big'Ol64.   The only person displaying hysteria around here is yourself.   Roll Eyes
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More evidence of how sick American society is:

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Reply #57 - Dec 18th, 2016 at 5:20pm
 
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More evidence of how stupid you are:

Murder rate by 100,000 inhabitants by country:
US = 3.9
Iran = 3.9
Maldives = 3.9
Thailand = 3.9
Latvia = 3.9



Albania = 4.0
Mongolia = 7.5
Russia = 9.5
Mexico = 15.7
Brazil = 24.9
South Africa = 33
Venezuela = 62
Honduras = 84.6

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
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Reply #58 - Dec 18th, 2016 at 7:35pm
 
Interesting, comparing dislike years for dislike years, Frank.   You of course wouldn't be telling porkies, now would you?

Now, you really should compare the statistics for the same year, for each country to each other country.

You also seem to be mistake "shot" for "murder", two very dissimilar events.   Again, you wouldn't be telling us porkies, now would, you, Frank?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #59 - Dec 18th, 2016 at 8:28pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 18th, 2016 at 5:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2016 at 4:56pm:



More evidence of how stupid you are:

Murder rate by 100,000 inhabitants by country:
US = 3.9
Iran = 3.9
Maldives = 3.9
Thailand = 3.9
Latvia = 3.9



Albania = 4.0
Mongolia = 7.5
Russia = 9.5
Mexico = 15.7
Brazil = 24.9
South Africa = 33
Venezuela = 62
Honduras = 84.6

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


You know that most if not all of those allow guns, the countries that don't typically have numbers after the decimal point. Like Australia 0.9 etc
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