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Reply #30 - Dec 8^th, 2016 at 10:03am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 9:32am:

Good to see the NRA having diversity in their vids.

If you, like BWian, see the NRA as the big, bad, enemy, then it will serve you better by knowing everything you can about the NRA.

As the saying goes....I'll paraphrase...."....hold your friends close, but your enemies closer...."

The NRA is quite multifaceted as you will see, as you continue to absorb the information.

Be aware though, you might just start to enjoy some of what you see.

I added 3 more video's to that previous post, so feel free to chose whether you wish to watch more or not.

Here's a link to some of
their other video series
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Reply #32 - Dec 8^th, 2016 at 10:43am

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Women, empowered, are the fastest-growing segment of gun owners

Source: THE DAILY COURIER
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PRESCOTT – Gun ownership among women is up: a Gallup poll showed that 23 percent of women surveyed reported owning a gun in 2015, up from 13 percent in 2005.

“Women are one of the fastest-growing segments of the shooting sports business. Of the retailers surveyed over the last year or so, 70 percent have seen an increase in their business from women shooters,” said Don Grier, owner of Prescott Gun Club.

According to the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade group, 42 percent of women who own a gun own three of them.

And the National Rifle Foundation states that, in 2014, more than 13,000 women participated in its “Women on Target Instructional Shooting Clinics,” up from 500 in 2000.

What’s behind this growth?

In a word: empowerment.

“A lot of the ladies coming to us are coming specifically for personal protection,” said Sherrie Seibert, co-owner of Insight Firearms Training Center in Prescott Valley. “They want the independence of knowing they can protect themselves, and not have to depend on anybody else to protect them.”

The NRA’s Jason Brown agreed with that assessment.

“The feedback we receive is that a lot of women are just empowered by the idea of owning a firearm for self-defense, whether they have to use it for self-defense or not,” Brown said.........

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Reply #33 - Dec 8^th, 2016 at 10:48am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 10:28am:

They aren't my enemy. They're just not sane.

So, in today's world you don't see an insane person, say carrying a knife, your potential enemy?

Your life insurance paid up.....how's your private hospital healthcare coverage? You wouldn't want to bleed out in a ward somewhere, would you?

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Reply #35 - Dec 8^th, 2016 at 5:38pm

I don't think the American, "Panther", understands Medicare, Bojack. It's "socialism" to him and shouldn't be trusted.

As to the NRA being "the enemy", they are only an enemy to freedom, truth and justice - the very things they proclaim are the "American way" (as the old Superman series used to proclaim). They cannot accept that people in Australia don't want semi-automatic firearms in the way they apparently thirst for them. Roll Eyes

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Reply #36 - Dec 9^th, 2016 at 3:27pm

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The Second Amendment:
The Right protecting ALL the other Unalienable Rights.

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.......The single most important reason for the Second Amendment was as an insurance policy against our own government. I don’t mean to sound alarmist, but that’s the historical truth. I will write a column explaining more of these details. For now, suffice it to say that the Founding Fathers considered the greatest threat to liberty to be a national government that has acquired too much power. While America for more than two centuries has been the freest nation on earth, the Founding Fathers did not know what the future would hold. So, in keeping with the teachings of political philosophers such as John Locke, they decided that the people should all be armed. That, they claimed, was the ultimate insurance policy to keep the government in check and keep the people free.

These reasons are why the Second Amendment protects all of your rights. Whether freedom of religion, free speech, free press, free association, the right to protest the government, or our other rights, the Second Amendment allows you to protect those freedoms for yourselves and your loved ones.

The NRA is dedicated to protecting all of your rights under the Constitution. And by focusing on securing and advancing the Second Amendment, our mission is to make sure that your children and grandchildren enjoy the blessings of liberty, just as you and I do today.

America is a Constitutional Republic.

Americans are governed by a Constitution.....by a Rule of Law.

The Second Amendment to that Constitution....the Law of the Land....is most central to all the other Unalienable Rights.

Now, how does this affect us here in Australia?

Well, like it or not, the Right to Self-Defense is an Unalienable Right, not a bestowment of any government, & as such it is not within the legitimate powers of any government to usurp, because the Right to Self-Defense was bestowed upon all mankind by our Creator......a much higher authority than any mere mortal government, or political system.

Just as no legitimate government can usurp a free man's Right to Self-Defense, a free man is also the only one who can determine what he may or may not choose to use in his defense, based on his needs at that moment when his defense becomes necessary to him.

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Reply #37 - Dec 9^th, 2016 at 3:44pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 5:38pm:

I don't think the American, "Panther", understands Medicare, Bojack. It's "socialism" to him and shouldn't be trusted.

As to the NRA being "the enemy", they are only an enemy to freedom, truth and justice - the very things they proclaim are the "American way" (as the old Superman series used to proclaim). They cannot accept that people in Australia don't want semi-automatic firearms in the way they apparently thirst for them. Roll Eyes

I loved semi-autos, my favs were the SLR & AR 15. Excellent hunting weapons.

Not everyone is terrified of a chemical process contained in an inanimate object made of metal, plastic & wood.

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Reply #38 - Dec 10^th, 2016 at 11:21pm

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 3:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 5:38pm:

I don't think the American, "Panther", understands Medicare, Bojack. It's "socialism" to him and shouldn't be trusted.

As to the NRA being "the enemy", they are only an enemy to freedom, truth and justice - the very things they proclaim are the "American way" (as the old Superman series used to proclaim). They cannot accept that people in Australia don't want semi-automatic firearms in the way they apparently thirst for them. Roll Eyes

I loved semi-autos, my favs were the SLR & AR 15. Excellent hunting weapons.

Not everyone is terrified of a chemical process contained in an inanimate object made of metal, plastic & wood.

I am not terrified by them either. I am frightened of the loons like Baron and Co. who desire to have access to these weapons simply because it suits their purposes. They give no consideration as to what the consequences would be. We only need to look across the Pacific to the US to see that. Their society is sick and it shows in their murder statistics. Roll Eyes

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Reply #39 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 12:41am

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 3:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 5:38pm:

I don't think the American, "Panther", understands Medicare, Bojack. It's "socialism" to him and shouldn't be trusted.

As to the NRA being "the enemy", they are only an enemy to freedom, truth and justice - the very things they proclaim are the "American way" (as the old Superman series used to proclaim). They cannot accept that people in Australia don't want semi-automatic firearms in the way they apparently thirst for them. Roll Eyes

I loved semi-autos, my favs were the SLR & AR 15. Excellent hunting weapons.

Not everyone is terrified of a chemical process contained in an inanimate object made of metal, plastic & wood.

I am not terrified by them either. I am frightened of the loons like Baron and Co. who desire to have access to these weapons simply because it suits their purposes. They give no consideration as to what the consequences would be. We only need to look across the Pacific to the US to see that. Their society is sick and it shows in their murder statistics. Roll Eyes

Obama supporters in the big cities account for nearly all violence statistics.

The country is divided in blue states and red states by voting patterns. The states are further divided by blue counties and red counties. If you are in the red areas you are safer than in your own home. If you are in the blue areas you are probably just as safe. If on the other hand you associate with the criminal element chances are things can go very badly for you!

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Reply #40 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 12:27pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 1:51pm:

Baron, Panther, all the other gun nuts tell us there is nothing to fear from unregulated firearms ownership! Roll Eyes

Can you cite where I have ever said we should have unregulated gun ownership or did you pluck that strawman from your ass?

I can see why nobody sticks around in your forum you tell too many lies. Roll Eyes

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Reply #41 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 12:59pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 1:51pm:

Baron, Panther, all the other gun nuts tell us there is nothing to fear from unregulated firearms ownership! Roll Eyes

Can you cite where I have ever said we should have unregulated gun ownership or did you pluck that strawman from your ass?

I can see why nobody sticks around in your forum you tell too many lies. Roll Eyes

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I've always said..,...if you have a violent mental illness history, or you have been diagnosed as mentally ill, you should never be permitted to own or use a firearm, or any type of weapon for that matter.

Also, if you have a criminal record, especially a violent criminal history, & you have served 1 year or more in prison, you should never be permitted to own or use a firearm, or any type of weapon for that matter.

Everyone else, male or female of age, who wishes to own, keep, &/or carry a firearm should not be kept from doing so after passing an extensive background check, to be conducted & completed within a short, but reasonable time....say 3 to 5 days. The potential gun owner needs not provide any reason(s) for desiring said firearms, & if stated willfully & voluntarily, the potential use for self-defense would be a completely acceptable reason, & never preclude them from ownership.

That's quite restrictive in my view.....but not for some bed-wetters.

BTW, just as an afterthought.....I firmly believe in a persons right to carry a concealed firearm for defensive purposes.

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Reply #42 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 1:10pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26^th, 2016 at 1:51pm:

Baron, Panther, all the other gun nuts tell us there is nothing to fear from unregulated firearms ownership! Roll Eyes

Can you cite where I have ever said we should have unregulated gun ownership or did you pluck that strawman from your ass?

*SIGH*, you are always railing against the regulation of some firearm or other or all firearms, Baron. What else are we supposed to think about your opinions?

Do you support the licensing of firearms owners?
Do you support the regulation of the types of firearms that owners can own?
Do you support the banning of certain types of firearms, considered too dangerous for firearms owners to have access to?

You have spoken out regularly against all three of those aspects of regulation... Roll Eyes

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Reply #43 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 1:12pm

Mortdooley wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 12:41am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10^th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2016 at 3:44pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8^th, 2016 at 5:38pm:

I don't think the American, "Panther", understands Medicare, Bojack. It's "socialism" to him and shouldn't be trusted.

As to the NRA being "the enemy", they are only an enemy to freedom, truth and justice - the very things they proclaim are the "American way" (as the old Superman series used to proclaim). They cannot accept that people in Australia don't want semi-automatic firearms in the way they apparently thirst for them. Roll Eyes

I loved semi-autos, my favs were the SLR & AR 15. Excellent hunting weapons.

Not everyone is terrified of a chemical process contained in an inanimate object made of metal, plastic & wood.

I am not terrified by them either. I am frightened of the loons like Baron and Co. who desire to have access to these weapons simply because it suits their purposes. They give no consideration as to what the consequences would be. We only need to look across the Pacific to the US to see that. Their society is sick and it shows in their murder statistics. Roll Eyes

Obama supporters in the big cities account for nearly all violence statistics.

Evidence, please. Or is this merely your usual, foundless, opinion again? Roll Eyes

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The country is divided in blue states and red states by voting patterns. The states are further divided by blue counties and red counties. If you are in the red areas you are safer than in your own home. If you are in the blue areas you are probably just as safe. If on the other hand you associate with the criminal element chances are things can go very badly for you!

Yet the statistics suggest otherwise. Over 70,000 deaths from firearms in a single year! Disgusting! Roll Eyes

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Reply #44 - Dec 11^th, 2016 at 1:17pm

Panther wrote on Dec 11^th, 2016 at 12:59pm:

I've always said..,...if you have a violent mental illness history, or you have been diagnosed as mentally ill, you should never be permitted to own or use a firearm, or any type of weapon for that matter.

So, you support the confiscation of firearms from the "mentally ill"?

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Also, if you have a criminal record, especially a violent criminal history, & you have served 1 year or more in prison, you should never be permitted to own or use a firearm, or any type of weapon for that matter.

So, that covers legal firearms. 1 year appears rather arbitrary though. Surely it should be on the seriousness of the crime?

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Everyone else, male or female of age, who wishes to own, keep, &/or carry a firearm should not be kept from doing so after passing an extensive background check, to be conducted & completed within a short, but reasonable time....say 3 to 5 days. The potential gun owner needs not provide any reason(s) for desiring said firearms, & if stated willfully & voluntarily, the potential use for self-defense would be a completely acceptable reason, & never preclude them from ownership. http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/cleanteeth09.gif

So, no restrictions on the type of firearm that can be owned? No regulation as far as age is concerned? No regulation as far as training/ability is concerned?

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That's quite restrictive in my view.....but not for some bed-wetters. Roll Eyes

You appear to oppose the regulated ownership of firearms (ie, you support essentially unregulated ownership). My, how American of you and so at odds with what the overwhelming majority of Australians believe... Roll Eyes

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