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Nov 20th, 2016 at 12:22pm
 
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Reply #1 - Nov 20th, 2016 at 12:34pm
 


I think they were playing safe.

I mean living in South Australia can seem a bit like death so they may have been knocked over in the rush.

Of course if it was death by electric chair.....
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Reply #2 - Nov 20th, 2016 at 12:44pm
 
I'm not joking around, mike.

Unlike my grandmother who died in an awful amount of pain - and everyone including the medicos knew 6 weeks prior she was going to die - I would like to die with dignity and without pain.
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Reply #3 - Nov 20th, 2016 at 1:52pm
 


We are all in the same place Nicole.

But you have to laugh at our politicians, the alternative is having to take them seriously.

I have no idea what sort of brain squirming toady things go on in their minds, what ideology alows them to ignore the people.
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Reply #4 - Nov 21st, 2016 at 7:19am
 
miketrees wrote on Nov 20th, 2016 at 1:52pm:
We are all in the same place Nicole.

But you have to laugh at our politicians, the alternative is having to take them seriously.

I have no idea what sort of brain squirming toady things go on in their minds, what ideology alows them to ignore the people.


Precisely mike. The overwhelming majority of the people are pro-euthanasia.

This is why people like Hanson and Trump are getting in - they listen to their constituents rather than viewing them as plebs to be ruled over and not listened to.
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Reply #5 - Nov 21st, 2016 at 9:33am
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Nov 21st, 2016 at 7:19am:
miketrees wrote on Nov 20th, 2016 at 1:52pm:
We are all in the same place Nicole.

But you have to laugh at our politicians, the alternative is having to take them seriously.

I have no idea what sort of brain squirming toady things go on in their minds, what ideology alows them to ignore the people.


Precisely mike. The overwhelming majority of the people are pro-euthanasia.

This is why people like Hanson and Trump are getting in - they listen to their constituents rather than viewing them as plebs to be ruled over and not listened to.



Yes Malcolm Roberts is thesame, He listened to his voters, all 77 of them.
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Reply #6 - Nov 21st, 2016 at 9:38am
 

"Voluntary euthanasia voted down by SA pollies"

What part do works of fiction play in this?


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Reply #7 - Nov 23rd, 2016 at 5:13pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 21st, 2016 at 9:38am:
"Voluntary euthanasia voted down by SA pollies"

What part do works of fiction play in this?


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When it is the Word of God, it carries far more weight than mere mortals. Just be honest and say that you dont like outcomes you disagree with. If bible-thumping Christians had endorsed Clinton you wouldnt be saying this. Of course churches shouldnt be endorsing ANYONE in politics.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #8 - Nov 23rd, 2016 at 5:14pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Nov 21st, 2016 at 7:19am:
miketrees wrote on Nov 20th, 2016 at 1:52pm:
We are all in the same place Nicole.

But you have to laugh at our politicians, the alternative is having to take them seriously.

I have no idea what sort of brain squirming toady things go on in their minds, what ideology alows them to ignore the people.


Precisely mike. The overwhelming majority of the people are pro-euthanasia.

This is why people like Hanson and Trump are getting in - they listen to their constituents rather than viewing them as plebs to be ruled over and not listened to.


Not true at all. Not only is it not an OVERWHELMING majority, most people when engaging the debate with facts ratehr than opinions, oppose it.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #9 - Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:28pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 5:13pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 21st, 2016 at 9:38am:
"Voluntary euthanasia voted down by SA pollies"

What part do works of fiction play in this?


http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk161/gomish_2008/bible3.gif


When it is the Word of God, it carries far more weight than mere mortals. Just be honest and say that you dont like outcomes you disagree with. If bible-thumping Christians had endorsed Clinton you wouldnt be saying this. Of course churches shouldnt be endorsing ANYONE in politics.


It looks like you've mistaken me for a Clinton fan.

Here's a hint: I'm not.
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Reply #10 - Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:30pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 5:14pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Nov 21st, 2016 at 7:19am:
miketrees wrote on Nov 20th, 2016 at 1:52pm:
We are all in the same place Nicole.

But you have to laugh at our politicians, the alternative is having to take them seriously.

I have no idea what sort of brain squirming toady things go on in their minds, what ideology alows them to ignore the people.


Precisely mike. The overwhelming majority of the people are pro-euthanasia.

This is why people like Hanson and Trump are getting in - they listen to their constituents rather than viewing them as plebs to be ruled over and not listened to.


Not true at all. Not only is it not an OVERWHELMING majority ...



Well, it is actually.

More than 70%.


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Reply #11 - Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:37pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:28pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 5:13pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 21st, 2016 at 9:38am:
"Voluntary euthanasia voted down by SA pollies"

What part do works of fiction play in this?


http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk161/gomish_2008/bible3.gif


When it is the Word of God, it carries far more weight than mere mortals. Just be honest and say that you dont like outcomes you disagree with. If bible-thumping Christians had endorsed Clinton you wouldnt be saying this. Of course churches shouldnt be endorsing ANYONE in politics.


It looks like you've mistaken me for a Clinton fan.

Here's a hint: I'm not.


Yes, you shouldn't think so just because he is partisan.  Smiley
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Reply #12 - Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:45pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:28pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 5:13pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 21st, 2016 at 9:38am:
"Voluntary euthanasia voted down by SA pollies"

What part do works of fiction play in this?


http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk161/gomish_2008/bible3.gif


When it is the Word of God, it carries far more weight than mere mortals. Just be honest and say that you dont like outcomes you disagree with. If bible-thumping Christians had endorsed Clinton you wouldnt be saying this. Of course churches shouldnt be endorsing ANYONE in politics.


It looks like you've mistaken me for a Clinton fan.

Here's a hint: I'm not.


Yes, you shouldn't think so just because he is partisan.  Smiley



I just said I wasn't a fan of Clinton's.

Do you know what 'partisan' means?

In case you've forgotten: "an adherent or supporter of a person, group, party, or cause, especially a person who shows a biased, emotional allegiance."

I'm not a supporter of Clinton, so how am I partisan in regard to her?

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Reply #13 - Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:48pm
 
What a pity -

Vote #1

Derryn Hinch Justice Party:


http://www.justiceparty.com.au/euthanasia


YOUR RIGHT TO DIE
VOLUNTARY EUTHANASIA

The question in the movie title said it all: Whose Life is it, anyway?  That’s the crux of the issue and the opinion polls consistently show that more than 70% of Australians believe in voluntary euthanasia. It was briefly legal in this country in the Northern Territory, thanks to trailblazing doctor, Philip Nitschke, but the federal government (under Liberal Prime Minister, John Howard) stepped in and over-ruled the Territory Legislature.



Justice Party founder Derryn Hinch has supported this cause (and Dr.Nitschke) for decades.  He watched his mother die from cancer. ‘She looked like a Biafran. She weighed about 30 kilos. I sat through her last night with her and thought of ending her suffering with a pillow. If she had been a dog, and an RSPCA inspector had walked in and seen her like that, I would have faced a cruelty to animals charge’.



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Reply #14 - Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:54pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:45pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:28pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 5:13pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 21st, 2016 at 9:38am:
"Voluntary euthanasia voted down by SA pollies"

What part do works of fiction play in this?


http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk161/gomish_2008/bible3.gif


When it is the Word of God, it carries far more weight than mere mortals. Just be honest and say that you dont like outcomes you disagree with. If bible-thumping Christians had endorsed Clinton you wouldnt be saying this. Of course churches shouldnt be endorsing ANYONE in politics.


It looks like you've mistaken me for a Clinton fan.

Here's a hint: I'm not.


Yes, you shouldn't think so just because he is partisan.  Smiley



I just said I wasn't a fan of Clinton's.

Do you know what 'partisan' means?

In case you've forgotten: "an adherent or supporter of a person, group, party, or cause, especially a person who shows a biased, emotional allegiance."

I'm not a supporter of Clinton, so how am I partisan in regard to her?

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Hehehe, I am pointing out why someone might think you support Clinton what with the daily avalanche of posts about Trump, might look like a partisan position.
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Reply #15 - Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:59pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Nov 20th, 2016 at 12:44pm:
I'm not joking around, mike.

Unlike my grandmother who died in an awful amount of pain - and everyone including the medicos knew 6 weeks prior she was going to die - I would like to die with dignity and without pain.



can you tell me what right did they have to vote that way???


did they tell the voters at their last election that that is what they would vote for????>.

to me if they are going to vote in the house on something that involves all australians.. then at least be honest and up front about it..   

and tell them before the election....

same with gay marriage....dont vote... and then pretend you are voting for MY WISHES....when I havent even been asked...

I am signing lots of petitions   and I believe some are getting through to the powers that be..

how about one on Euthanasia....

and another on gay marriage...

at least it would be my choice... and not someone who got elected because he got more 4th preferences than the 3rd last....thanks.

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Reply #16 - Nov 23rd, 2016 at 7:04pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:54pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:45pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:28pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 5:13pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 21st, 2016 at 9:38am:
"Voluntary euthanasia voted down by SA pollies"

What part do works of fiction play in this?


http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk161/gomish_2008/bible3.gif


When it is the Word of God, it carries far more weight than mere mortals. Just be honest and say that you dont like outcomes you disagree with. If bible-thumping Christians had endorsed Clinton you wouldnt be saying this. Of course churches shouldnt be endorsing ANYONE in politics.


It looks like you've mistaken me for a Clinton fan.

Here's a hint: I'm not.


Yes, you shouldn't think so just because he is partisan.  Smiley



I just said I wasn't a fan of Clinton's.

Do you know what 'partisan' means?

In case you've forgotten: "an adherent or supporter of a person, group, party, or cause, especially a person who shows a biased, emotional allegiance."

I'm not a supporter of Clinton, so how am I partisan in regard to her?

Roll Eyes


Hehehe, I am pointing out why someone might think you support Clinton what with the daily avalanche of posts about Trump, might look like a partisan position. 



That's an ongoing problem in this forum: people only see things in black & white.

If you don't like Trump, you must like Clinton.

If you don't like the Libs, you must like Shorten.

If you criticise Christianity, you must love Islam.

etc. etc. etc.

Well, I can tell you: I don't like Christianity, Islam, Trump, Clinton, the Libs, or Shorten.
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Reply #17 - Nov 23rd, 2016 at 7:09pm
 
Voluntary euthanasia is a scam. All you have to do is wack yourself. You don't need some contraption to do that. I wish Pecca would  euthanasia himself.
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Reply #18 - Nov 23rd, 2016 at 7:25pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:30pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 5:14pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Nov 21st, 2016 at 7:19am:
miketrees wrote on Nov 20th, 2016 at 1:52pm:
We are all in the same place Nicole.

But you have to laugh at our politicians, the alternative is having to take them seriously.

I have no idea what sort of brain squirming toady things go on in their minds, what ideology alows them to ignore the people.


Precisely mike. The overwhelming majority of the people are pro-euthanasia.

This is why people like Hanson and Trump are getting in - they listen to their constituents rather than viewing them as plebs to be ruled over and not listened to.


Not true at all. Not only is it not an OVERWHELMING majority ...



Well, it is actually.

More than 70%.




Until they get involved in an ACTUAL discussion on the topic in its entirety. It is also true of many complex issues that simplistic polls generate results quite at odds with what INFORMED respondents would give. it is the real reason why the gay marriage plebiscite was feared by pro-gay groups - because they realise their majority support is largely non-thinking support and the final outcome was far from predictable - for eitehr side.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #19 - Nov 23rd, 2016 at 8:27pm
 
I have no doubt that voluntary euthanasia would result in abuses motivated by greed for deceased estates, but this is not sufficient reason for denying the great majority the option for an early and comfortable death without the need for further weeks of anguish and emotional suffering as I witnessed with my brother.

The banning of euthanasia is another evil that the churches are responsible for - due to the religious inculcation of politicians during their childhood years now taking their cue from 'church teachings'.
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Reply #20 - Nov 23rd, 2016 at 9:46pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 8:27pm:
I have no doubt that voluntary euthanasia would result in abuses motivated by greed for deceased estates, but this is not sufficient reason for denying the great majority the option for an early and comfortable death without the need for further weeks of anguish and emotional suffering as I witnessed with my brother.

The banning of euthanasia is another evil that the churches are responsible for - due to the religious inculcation of politicians during their childhood years now taking their cue from 'church teachings'.


The majority of opposition was not religious - which you would know if you actually listened to it instead of inserting your own beliefs instead.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #21 - Nov 24th, 2016 at 10:16am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 7:04pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:54pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:45pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:28pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 5:13pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 21st, 2016 at 9:38am:
"Voluntary euthanasia voted down by SA pollies"

What part do works of fiction play in this?


http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk161/gomish_2008/bible3.gif


When it is the Word of God, it carries far more weight than mere mortals. Just be honest and say that you dont like outcomes you disagree with. If bible-thumping Christians had endorsed Clinton you wouldnt be saying this. Of course churches shouldnt be endorsing ANYONE in politics.


It looks like you've mistaken me for a Clinton fan.

Here's a hint: I'm not.


Yes, you shouldn't think so just because he is partisan.  Smiley



I just said I wasn't a fan of Clinton's.

Do you know what 'partisan' means?

In case you've forgotten: "an adherent or supporter of a person, group, party, or cause, especially a person who shows a biased, emotional allegiance."

I'm not a supporter of Clinton, so how am I partisan in regard to her?

Roll Eyes


Hehehe, I am pointing out why someone might think you support Clinton what with the daily avalanche of posts about Trump, might look like a partisan position. 



That's an ongoing problem in this forum: people only see things in black & white.

If you don't like Trump, you must like Clinton.

If you don't like the Libs, you must like Shorten.

If you criticise Christianity, you must love Islam.

etc. etc. etc.

Well, I can tell you: I don't like Christianity, Islam, Trump, Clinton, the Libs, or Shorten.




well you are selective gweg.. lets be honest.....you support support support   and bang then you say NO I DIDNT SAY I LIKE THEM..

in fact I dont like them..  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

so its really hard to know who you DO LIKE   because you seem to want to sit on the fence but have your opinion listened too all the same..


how about you spell out whom you do like whom you do believe in...some one we can all agree or disagree on..  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

you cant blame someone for thinking when you claimed you would leave if Trump won...that that meant you would be devastated if Clinton didnt..

me thinks you are having a bet each way....
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Reply #22 - Nov 24th, 2016 at 12:11pm
 
cods wrote on Nov 24th, 2016 at 10:16am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 7:04pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:54pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:45pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 6:28pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 23rd, 2016 at 5:13pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 21st, 2016 at 9:38am:
"Voluntary euthanasia voted down by SA pollies"

What part do works of fiction play in this?


http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk161/gomish_2008/bible3.gif


When it is the Word of God, it carries far more weight than mere mortals. Just be honest and say that you dont like outcomes you disagree with. If bible-thumping Christians had endorsed Clinton you wouldnt be saying this. Of course churches shouldnt be endorsing ANYONE in politics.


It looks like you've mistaken me for a Clinton fan.

Here's a hint: I'm not.


Yes, you shouldn't think so just because he is partisan.  Smiley



I just said I wasn't a fan of Clinton's.

Do you know what 'partisan' means?

In case you've forgotten: "an adherent or supporter of a person, group, party, or cause, especially a person who shows a biased, emotional allegiance."

I'm not a supporter of Clinton, so how am I partisan in regard to her?

Roll Eyes


Hehehe, I am pointing out why someone might think you support Clinton what with the daily avalanche of posts about Trump, might look like a partisan position. 



That's an ongoing problem in this forum: people only see things in black & white.

If you don't like Trump, you must like Clinton.

If you don't like the Libs, you must like Shorten.

If you criticise Christianity, you must love Islam.

etc. etc. etc.

Well, I can tell you: I don't like Christianity, Islam, Trump, Clinton, the Libs, or Shorten.




well you are selective gweg.. lets be honest.....you support support support   and bang then you say NO I DIDNT SAY I LIKE THEM..




I have never said that I support Clinton, Shorten, or Islam.

So, let's stick to the facts, okay?


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Doctors often do put some terminal cancer patients into a coma before death to ease the pain ... There is little difference between that and euthanasia.
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AiA wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 2:05am:
Doctors often do put some terminal cancer patients into a coma before death to ease the pain ... There is little difference between that and euthanasia.

My mother died with a very aggressive painful cancer at a young age..that is merciful I think to put people into a coma..it was a very very hard time for her. I have bad dreams when I think of the pain involved, especially in our loved ones.
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Reply #25 - Nov 30th, 2016 at 9:54pm
 
How much more merciful tho, to allow adults to determine their own death.?

Having had a mother with Parkinsons Disease, die after 4 years in a high security care facility,wherre she was labelled, and TREATED, as demented, was an eye -opening and horrible experience.
One I would wish on no-one.
I'll never go there, if I can still have the wherewithal to do myself in first. Sad Angry Sad
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Emma wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 9:54pm:
How much more merciful tho, to allow adults to determine their own death.?

Having had a mother with Parkinsons Disease, die after 4 years in a high security care facility,wherre she was labelled, and TREATED, as demented, was an eye -opening and horrible experience.
One I would wish on no-one.
I'll never go there, if I can still have the wherewithal to do myself in first.
Sad Angry Sad

  Totally agree with that Emma.. who wants to linger in pain..dying is one thing but to have to endure unbearable pain is inhumane.
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Agnes wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 4:33pm:
AiA wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 2:05am:
Doctors often do put some terminal cancer patients into a coma before death to ease the pain ... There is little difference between that and euthanasia.

My mother died with a very aggressive painful cancer at a young age..that is merciful I think to put people into a coma..it was a very very hard time for her. I have bad dreams when I think of the pain involved, especially in our loved ones.


My own father is suffering now and I wonder if it will come to that. A few years back I had a co-worker, only in his 20's, who was put into a coma before death, with his family and friends gathered around for a final farewell ...
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Reply #28 - Dec 7th, 2016 at 7:28am
 
All those who voted down voluntary euthanasia will one day be facing their own terminal weeks and months of mental, emotional, and physical depression, fears, and pains.

Some might even fall foul of the terminally creeping paralysis of multiple sclerosis and similar, and then what will they be thinking about how they once helped to deny others an easy death?

I dare say every last one of them will prove to be a hypocrite so far as wishing for their own death to arrive sooner rather than later.
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Reply #29 - Dec 7th, 2016 at 2:46pm
 
AiA wrote on Dec 7th, 2016 at 6:52am:
Agnes wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 4:33pm:
AiA wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 2:05am:
Doctors often do put some terminal cancer patients into a coma before death to ease the pain ... There is little difference between that and euthanasia.

My mother died with a very aggressive painful cancer at a young age..that is merciful I think to put people into a coma..it was a very very hard time for her. I have bad dreams when I think of the pain involved, especially in our loved ones.


My own father is suffering now and I wonder if it will come to that. A few years back I had a co-worker, only in his 20's, who was put into a coma before death, with his family and friends gathered around for a final farewell ...


I am so sorry to read that AiA..one of the hardest things in life is watching someone you love die and not knowing how to help...how they feel, what to say even. Life can be so cruel.... people denied the right to die with dignity ,...I can't imagine what my mother was going through and the thought haunts me to this day. Don't waste your last days /hours with him... remember the good times.His life had meaning.. remember those times.
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Reply #30 - Dec 9th, 2016 at 1:27am
 
to me there is no question about humane treatment.


Remember that old movie  'They Shoot Horses Don't They' ...

Why our society seems to relish the long slow and painful deaths of beloved family, friends, OR strangers ,  escapes me.
I wonder just which sect in our society has the power to deny a dignified death to those suffering intolerable pain and suffering. I've seen it.. it sickens me. Sad
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Reply #31 - Dec 9th, 2016 at 6:55am
 
Emma wrote on Dec 9th, 2016 at 1:27am:
to me there is no question about humane treatment.


Remember that old movie  'They Shoot Horses Don't They' ...

Why our society seems to relish the long slow and painful deaths of beloved family, friends, OR strangers ,  escapes me.
I wonder just which sect in our society has the power to deny a dignified death to those suffering intolerable pain and suffering. I've seen it.. it sickens me. Sad



I've sometimes thought it's the church believing that everyone should experience Christ's suffering on the Cross at least one time in our lives so as to get a better appreciation and understanding of the sacrifice He made for the forgiveness of our sins.

Some horseshit like that.
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Reply #32 - Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:54am
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Nov 21st, 2016 at 7:19am:
miketrees wrote on Nov 20th, 2016 at 1:52pm:
We are all in the same place Nicole.

But you have to laugh at our politicians, the alternative is having to take them seriously.

I have no idea what sort of brain squirming toady things go on in their minds, what ideology alows them to ignore the people.


Precisely mike. The overwhelming majority of the people are pro-euthanasia.

This is why people like Hanson and Trump are getting in - they listen to their constituents rather than viewing them as plebs to be ruled over and not listened to.

Now if one is terminally ill and has the use of his/her faculties and are in lots of pain, what stops them to take enough pain killers to die?
Where do you get the idea that the majority of people are for voluntary euthanasia? What the problem is is, compulsory euthanasia.
Take another case; shingles, which can be very nasty and painful and leave a permanent pain after, yet the costly injection is only on medical prescription for the 69-79 years of age. It can strike anybody, but the older people are more prone to it.
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Reply #33 - Jan 7th, 2017 at 10:02am
 
Emma wrote on Dec 9th, 2016 at 1:27am:
to me there is no question about humane treatment.


Remember that old movie  'They Shoot Horses Don't They' ...

Why our society seems to relish the long slow and painful deaths of beloved family, friends, OR strangers ,  escapes me.
I wonder just which sect in our society has the power to deny a dignified death to those suffering intolerable pain and suffering. I've seen it.. it sickens me. Sad

I have seen the opposite; young and old clinging to life, no matter how painful or miserable.
One nurse told me of mother in law with terminal cancer, refusing all treatment, and dying within a short time.
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Reply #34 - Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:20am
 
hawil wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:54am:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Nov 21st, 2016 at 7:19am:
miketrees wrote on Nov 20th, 2016 at 1:52pm:
We are all in the same place Nicole.

But you have to laugh at our politicians, the alternative is having to take them seriously.

I have no idea what sort of brain squirming toady things go on in their minds, what ideology alows them to ignore the people.


Precisely mike. The overwhelming majority of the people are pro-euthanasia.

This is why people like Hanson and Trump are getting in - they listen to their constituents rather than viewing them as plebs to be ruled over and not listened to.

Now if one is terminally ill and has the use of his/her faculties and are in lots of pain, what stops them to take enough pain killers to die?
Where do you get the idea that the majority of people are for voluntary euthanasia? What the problem is is, compulsory euthanasia.
Take another case; shingles, which can be very nasty and painful and leave a permanent pain after, yet the costly injection is only on medical prescription for the 69-79 years of age. It can strike anybody, but the older people are more prone to it.


The majority of Australians are pro volantary euthanasia and have been since the 1970s:

http://www.saves.asn.au/facts/fs02.pdf
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Reply #35 - Jan 8th, 2017 at 4:02pm
 
This needs to happen but it needs to be extended to the mandatory euthanasia of the intellectually disabled and the mentally ill.
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Reply #36 - Jan 8th, 2017 at 4:17pm
 
WN wrote on Jan 8th, 2017 at 4:02pm:
This needs to happen but it needs to be extended to the mandatory euthanasia of the intellectually disabled and the mentally ill.


No more family reunions for DSP.

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Reply #37 - Jan 8th, 2017 at 4:31pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
WN wrote on Jan 8th, 2017 at 4:02pm:
This needs to happen but it needs to be extended to the mandatory euthanasia of the intellectually disabled and the mentally ill.


No more family reunions for DSP.



Your mum will be upset.  Sad
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Reply #38 - Jan 8th, 2017 at 4:35pm
 
WN wrote on Jan 8th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
WN wrote on Jan 8th, 2017 at 4:02pm:
This needs to happen but it needs to be extended to the mandatory euthanasia of the intellectually disabled and the mentally ill.


No more family reunions for DSP.



Your mum will be upset.  Sad


No prizes for second.

By the way, I've passed your info onto the feds.

So, if you could please keep telling us all about the illegal weapons you own and when you plan your next attack, it would make it a lot easier for everyone.

Cheers    Wink

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Reply #39 - Jan 8th, 2017 at 4:45pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8th, 2017 at 4:35pm:
WN wrote on Jan 8th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
WN wrote on Jan 8th, 2017 at 4:02pm:
This needs to happen but it needs to be extended to the mandatory euthanasia of the intellectually disabled and the mentally ill.


No more family reunions for DSP.



Your mum will be upset.  Sad


No prizes for second.

By the way, I've passed your info onto the feds.

So, if you could please keep telling us all about the illegal weapons you own and when you plan your next attack, it would make it a lot easier for everyone.

Cheers    Wink

https://www.afp.gov.au/contact-us/report-commonwealth-crime



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Reply #40 - Jan 29th, 2017 at 5:21pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:20am:
hawil wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:54am:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Nov 21st, 2016 at 7:19am:
miketrees wrote on Nov 20th, 2016 at 1:52pm:
We are all in the same place Nicole.

But you have to laugh at our politicians, the alternative is having to take them seriously.

I have no idea what sort of brain squirming toady things go on in their minds, what ideology alows them to ignore the people.


Precisely mike. The overwhelming majority of the people are pro-euthanasia.

This is why people like Hanson and Trump are getting in - they listen to their constituents rather than viewing them as plebs to be ruled over and not listened to.

Now if one is terminally ill and has the use of his/her faculties and are in lots of pain, what stops them to take enough pain killers to die?
Where do you get the idea that the majority of people are for voluntary euthanasia? What the problem is is, compulsory euthanasia.
Take another case; shingles, which can be very nasty and painful and leave a permanent pain after, yet the costly injection is only on medical prescription for the 69-79 years of age. It can strike anybody, but the older people are more prone to it.


The majority of Australians are pro volantary euthanasia and have been since the 1970s:

http://www.saves.asn.au/facts/fs02.pdf

Your assertion about the pro-euthanasia are rather dubious, and WN in the next post frightens me even more, because that will be the next step.
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Reply #41 - Feb 7th, 2017 at 8:44pm
 
hawil wrote on Jan 29th, 2017 at 5:21pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 11:20am:
hawil wrote on Jan 7th, 2017 at 9:54am:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Nov 21st, 2016 at 7:19am:
miketrees wrote on Nov 20th, 2016 at 1:52pm:
We are all in the same place Nicole.

But you have to laugh at our politicians, the alternative is having to take them seriously.

I have no idea what sort of brain squirming toady things go on in their minds, what ideology alows them to ignore the people.


Precisely mike. The overwhelming majority of the people are pro-euthanasia.

This is why people like Hanson and Trump are getting in - they listen to their constituents rather than viewing them as plebs to be ruled over and not listened to.

Now if one is terminally ill and has the use of his/her faculties and are in lots of pain, what stops them to take enough pain killers to die?
Where do you get the idea that the majority of people are for voluntary euthanasia? What the problem is is, compulsory euthanasia.
Take another case; shingles, which can be very nasty and painful and leave a permanent pain after, yet the costly injection is only on medical prescription for the 69-79 years of age. It can strike anybody, but the older people are more prone to it.


The majority of Australians are pro volantary euthanasia and have been since the 1970s:

http://www.saves.asn.au/facts/fs02.pdf

Your assertion about the pro-euthanasia are rather dubious, and WN in the next post frightens me even more, because that will be the next step.

I seem to have the knack of stopping some serious discussions dead in its tracks.
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