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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #360 - Dec 4^th, 2016 at 1:14pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 1:11pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 8:21am:

John, as a committed apologist, are you seriously suggesting that it is not possible for Indonesia to further restrict blasphemy because it is 'already illegal'?

I already told you early on in this discussion that 'blasphemy' is subjective FD. You were the one pretending that it was clear cut, and the fact that police hadn't at that time charged him proved he'd done nothing illegal

Look how that worked out for you Grin

Are you confused about which side you are arguing John? Or just playing the slippery apologist? Now that you have abandoned this line of argument, what excuse will you dream up next?

freediver wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2016 at 8:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2016 at 8:19pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2016 at 7:49pm:

The dance of the apologist continues.

John Smith wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2016 at 1:57pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2016 at 1:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2016 at 1:22pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2016 at 8:21am:

Did the rally against blasphemy succeed in further restricting blasphemy in Indonesia?

really? still singing this tune?

Is it the rally restricting blasphemy, or is it the fact that
IT'S ILLEGAL
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Would you like to read the question again John? You are creating a false dichotomy.

how do you further restrict something that's already illegal FD?

Do you think freedom of speech is a some kind of switch that can only be on or off?

blashphemy is either illegal, or it isn't. You can't make it any more illegal than what it already is by crying.

So blasphemy is like a switch that can only be on the completely legal side or the completely illegal side?

Do I really need to explain this to you John? Even for an apologist you are going to elaborate lengths to avoid the question.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77097 Gender:	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #361 - Dec 4^th, 2016 at 1:19pm freediver wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 1:14pm: Are you confused about which side you are arguing John? not at all .... blasphemy is and always has been illegal in Indonesia. What constitutes blasphemy is subjective. What part of that do you struggle with?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50574 At my desk.	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #362 - Dec 4^th, 2016 at 1:25pm So despite it being subjective, it is not possible to further restrict it? Keep tapdancing John. You will be declared an honorary Muslim if you keep this up.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77097 Gender:	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #363 - Dec 4^th, 2016 at 2:11pm freediver wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 1:25pm: So despite it being subjective, it is not possible to further restrict it? Keep tapdancing John. You will be declared an honorary Muslim if you keep this up. you can't make it any more illegal than it already is FD.. No matter how much you repeat to yourself 'I think I can'
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50574 At my desk.	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #364 - Dec 4^th, 2016 at 2:43pm Have another go. Try reading the question this time. Did the rally against blasphemy succeed in further restricting blasphemy in Indonesia?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77097 Gender:	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #365 - Dec 4^th, 2016 at 3:03pm freediver wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 2:43pm: Have another go. Try reading the question this time. Did the rally against blasphemy succeed in further restricting blasphemy in Indonesia? I've seen nothing to suggest it has. Have you?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50574 At my desk.	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #366 - Dec 4^th, 2016 at 3:06pm The protest. Ahok's change in behaviour. Even the apologists admit he might have to hire extra personal security, even if they are loathe to concede he might change any of his other behaviours.
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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #367 - Dec 4^th, 2016 at 3:38pm

John Smith wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 2:43pm:

Have another go. Try reading the question this time.

Did the rally against blasphemy succeed in further restricting blasphemy in Indonesia?

I've seen nothing to suggest it has. Have you?

Yes, JS. FD has seen unnamed apologists concede that Ahok might change any of his other behaviours.

That should do the trick.

No more questions at this time, thanks.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50574 At my desk.	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #368 - Dec 4^th, 2016 at 3:52pm Gandalf spent several pages in this thread demanding proof of the things that Ahok had not said.
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 98431	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #369 - Dec 4^th, 2016 at 4:27pm freediver wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 3:52pm: Gandalf spent several pages in this thread demanding proof of the things that Ahok had not said. And I'm sure you provided it.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50574 At my desk.	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #370 - Dec 4^th, 2016 at 4:43pm Actually, Gandalf provided it, but after I pointed this out several times he suddenly realised you can't prove a negative and got all rational on me.
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21133 Gordon Gender:	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #371 - Dec 4^th, 2016 at 4:55pm Hey Kaka, if a 200000 white Aussies marched on the street calling for a Muslim Australian politician to be removed from office and jailed for a trivial matter, would you have a thing or to to say about it?
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 98431	Re: Rally against blasphemy Reply #372 - Dec 4^th, 2016 at 6:02pm Gordon wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 4:55pm: Hey Kaka, if a 200000 white Aussies marched on the street calling for a Muslim Australian politician to be removed from office and jailed for a trivial matter, would you have a thing or to to say about it? Ditch the witch, eh?
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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #373 - Dec 4^th, 2016 at 6:06pm

Karnal wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 6:02pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 4:55pm:

Hey Kaka, if a 200000 white Aussies marched on the street calling for a Muslim Australian politician to be removed from office and jailed for a trivial matter, would you have a thing or to to say about it?

Ditch the witch, eh?

Try answer the question. She's a ranga, not a muslim.

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Re: Rally against blasphemy
Reply #374 - Dec 4^th, 2016 at 6:13pm

Gordon wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 6:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 6:02pm:

Gordon wrote on Dec 4^th, 2016 at 4:55pm:

Hey Kaka, if a 200000 white Aussies marched on the street calling for a Muslim Australian politician to be removed from office and jailed for a trivial matter, would you have a thing or to to say about it?

Ditch the witch, eh?

Try answer the question. She's a ranga, not a muslim.

We're onto genetically specific political protests now, are we?

I guess that rules out Reclaim Australia. They had a Curry at one of their rallies.

Cunning, no?

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