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Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:37pm
 
In the case of Ozpolitic conservative denizens it is poverty of intellect, morals and finances that lowers their IQ.

The secondary aspect of becoming old before their time has afflicted denizens Herr Bert, Hammer, Cods, Bogarde73 and Valkie.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/poverty-intelligence-aging-brain-low-i...

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Poverty changes your brain to make you less intelligent, study suggests

Researchers find link between low incomes and poorer brain function and say the stress of life with little money could be part of the reason; there is 'little evidence' to suggest falling intelligence pushes people into poverty, they add

Falling into poverty appears to make people become less intelligent and become old before their time, according to a new study.

Researchers found life on the breadline for 20 years was “strongly associated” with “worse cognitive function” and premature aging.

And they suggested the potential causes of this phenomenon included the stress of having little money, inadequate housing and sanitation, and an unhealthy lifestyle – a poor diet, smoking, alcohol and too little exercise.

Writing in the American Journal of Preventative Medicine, researchers led by Professor Adina Zeki Al Hazzouri, of Miami University, said the trend was found even among highly educated people who fell on hard times.

The gender pay gap means that more women will be in poverty later in life – but there is something the government can do

Government's £1.3bn attempt to tackle crime and poverty had 'no discernible impact', says report ministers tried to bury
Poverty costs UK £78bn a year in pressure on hospitals and social services, research finds. Poverty is the new normal for middle-income earners. This, they argued, means it is unlikely that people who are becoming less intelligent for some other reason are falling into poverty.

The researchers studied information about 3,400 adults who took part in a study on heart disease. They were all 18 to 30 when the project began in 1985.

As part of that study, details about their income were recorded and they were also given tests used to detect what is known as “cognitive aging”.

What the researchers found was that people who lived continually in poverty “performed significantly worse” than those who had never had to survive on a low income in tests of verbal memory, the brain’s processing speed and its executive function.

“The overall magnitude of the associations suggests that economic adversities experienced in young adulthood are important determinants of cognitive health in midlife,” the paper said.

“From a mechanistic perspective, economic hardship may be on the pathway and an important contributor to clinically significant cognitive deficit and premature aging among economically disadvantaged individuals.

“Furthermore, in analyses restricted to participants with a high level of education, significant associations were still observed, suggesting little evidence that reverse causation could explain these findings.”

They put forward four different possible “pathways” in which poverty could affect people’s brains.

“First, exposure to low income and socioeconomic conditions has been associated with unhealthy behaviours, such as alcohol use, smoking, and inadequate physical activity, which are in turn risk factors for small brain infarcts and poor cognition,” the paper said.

“Second, exposure to low income may influence educational attainment and ultimately shape many of the risk factors of cognition, including adult living environment (inadequate housing and sanitation), health behaviours, and access to resources.

“Third, the stress of exposure to low income has been shown to be associated with dysfunction of the hypothalamic adrenocortical axis [glands inside the brain], which in turn is a pathway leading to worse risk factors of cognition.

“Fourth, income inequality may suggest a lack in public investment and health infrastructure, which then influence health through stress-induced mechanisms and decreased social and physical resources.”
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Reply #1 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:39pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:37pm:
In the case of Ozpolitic conservative denizens it is poverty of intellect, morals and finances that lowers their IQ.

The secondary aspect of becoming old before their time has afflicted denizens Herr Bert, Hammer, Cods, Bogarde73 and Valkie.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/poverty-intelligence-aging-brain-low-i...

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Poverty changes your brain to make you less intelligent, study suggests

Researchers find link between low incomes and poorer brain function and say the stress of life with little money could be part of the reason; there is 'little evidence' to suggest falling intelligence pushes people into poverty, they add

Falling into poverty appears to make people become less intelligent and become old before their time, according to a new study.

Researchers found life on the breadline for 20 years was “strongly associated” with “worse cognitive function” and premature aging.

And they suggested the potential causes of this phenomenon included the stress of having little money, inadequate housing and sanitation, and an unhealthy lifestyle – a poor diet, smoking, alcohol and too little exercise.

Writing in the American Journal of Preventative Medicine, researchers led by Professor Adina Zeki Al Hazzouri, of Miami University, said the trend was found even among highly educated people who fell on hard times.

The gender pay gap means that more women will be in poverty later in life – but there is something the government can do

Government's £1.3bn attempt to tackle crime and poverty had 'no discernible impact', says report ministers tried to bury
Poverty costs UK £78bn a year in pressure on hospitals and social services, research finds. Poverty is the new normal for middle-income earners. This, they argued, means it is unlikely that people who are becoming less intelligent for some other reason are falling into poverty.

The researchers studied information about 3,400 adults who took part in a study on heart disease. They were all 18 to 30 when the project began in 1985.

As part of that study, details about their income were recorded and they were also given tests used to detect what is known as “cognitive aging”.

What the researchers found was that people who lived continually in poverty “performed significantly worse” than those who had never had to survive on a low income in tests of verbal memory, the brain’s processing speed and its executive function.

“The overall magnitude of the associations suggests that economic adversities experienced in young adulthood are important determinants of cognitive health in midlife,” the paper said.

“From a mechanistic perspective, economic hardship may be on the pathway and an important contributor to clinically significant cognitive deficit and premature aging among economically disadvantaged individuals.

“Furthermore, in analyses restricted to participants with a high level of education, significant associations were still observed, suggesting little evidence that reverse causation could explain these findings.”

They put forward four different possible “pathways” in which poverty could affect people’s brains.

“First, exposure to low income and socioeconomic conditions has been associated with unhealthy behaviours, such as alcohol use, smoking, and inadequate physical activity, which are in turn risk factors for small brain infarcts and poor cognition,” the paper said.

“Second, exposure to low income may influence educational attainment and ultimately shape many of the risk factors of cognition, including adult living environment (inadequate housing and sanitation), health behaviours, and access to resources.

“Third, the stress of exposure to low income has been shown to be associated with dysfunction of the hypothalamic adrenocortical axis [glands inside the brain], which in turn is a pathway leading to worse risk factors of cognition.

“Fourth, income inequality may suggest a lack in public investment and health infrastructure, which then influence health through stress-induced mechanisms and decreased social and physical resources.”
Is that why your 3rd world brothers and sisters live in slums?
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Reply #2 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:48pm
 
don t you hate all this freaking c&p crap...

poverty changes your brain..

do bloody tell...

too busy thinking about food probably. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #3 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:00pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:39pm:
Is that why your 3rd world brothers and sisters live in slums?


I am not from UK.
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Reply #4 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:01pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:00pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:39pm:
Is that why your 3rd world brothers and sisters live in slums?


I am not from UK.
Nope- India.
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Reply #5 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:04pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:01pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:00pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:39pm:
Is that why your 3rd world brothers and sisters live in slums?


I am not from UK.
Nope- India.


Not there. Ignorance is Mr. Hammer's finest quality.
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Reply #6 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:08pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:04pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:01pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:00pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:39pm:
Is that why your 3rd world brothers and sisters live in slums?


I am not from UK.
Nope- India.


Not there. Ignorance is Mr. Hammer's finest quality.
Don' lie unforgiven. We know you are a darkie who doesn't like white people. It's 90% of what you post.
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Reply #7 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:11pm
 
Darkie?
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mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:11pm:
Darkie?
Typical Mothra, skip over all of unforgiven's anti white prejudice and pick up on darkie. Typical!!
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Reply #9 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:21pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:14pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:11pm:
Darkie?
Typical Mothra, skip over all of unforgiven's anti white prejudice and pick up on darkie. Typical!!



What anti-white prejudice?

I'm white and Unforgiven has always treated me with respect.

The only racism i see on this thread is coming from you.

Typical indeed.
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Reply #10 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:26pm
 
mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:21pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:14pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:11pm:
Darkie?
Typical Mothra, skip over all of unforgiven's anti white prejudice and pick up on darkie. Typical!!



What anti-white prejudice?

I'm white and Unforgiven has always treated me with respect.

The only racism i see on this thread is coming from you.

Typical indeed.
Haven't you got some ironing to do. Roll Eyes
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Reply #11 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:28pm
 
Adding sexism to your growing list of unattractive character traits?

Or was that just the best you could do?
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Reply #12 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:30pm
 
mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:28pm:
Adding sexism to your growing list of unattractive character traits?

Or was that just the best you could do?
And here's abusive- sit on it punk!!! Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #13 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:31pm
 
Yep.  The best you could do.

Pitiful.
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Reply #14 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:40pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:30pm:
And here's abusive- sit on it punk!!!


you call that abuse?  Grin Grin

what are you? a 5 yr old girl? Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #15 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:50pm
 
everyone is in either an upward spiral or a downward spiral.
you cannot stand still

if you eat great food, hit the gym, read great books, stay away from negative neurotic people and snort a line of self help everyday , you go up.

when you do this you can feel your brain rewiring as you sleep, you write new software, you live in abundance.

once you are living in abundance and truly grateful, poverty disappears.

'the hungry never get fed"
"you have to give to recieve"
if you are a needy little taker, a little value leech, if your whole frame in life is "me and my story", if you live in self pity...you are already dumb and you will become impoverished.

success, wealth and intelligence come from following certain basic principles which i call 'the way of the superior man ' or "the path of the noble rightard".

little whiney welfare sooks and little whiney unionists simply do not understand how the universe operates and that you cant complain your way to success.

you have to love the journey, you have to love the problems, you have to embrace the pain.

herewith an example of someone on the road to success.

the ultra marathon runner who was caught in a bushfire.

and little whiners from the left dont even see why they should do "work for the dole".  how pitiful to be a cry baby and a value leech . reflect on how to propel yourself forward


stop the carnage, give up the way of the whiney leftard

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Reply #16 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:21pm
 
Now this is a little less preachy, Scoot, but the main point I disagree with is the way you ascribe all negativity to those with Leftist views. That's the way of the complacent man.
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issuevoter wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:21pm:
Now this is a little less preachy, Scoot, but the main point I disagree with is the way you ascribe all negativity to those with Leftist views. That's the way of the complacent man.


Aquascoot implements his revolutionary concepts in the transport industry:

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Reply #18 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 6:17pm
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:40pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:30pm:
And here's abusive- sit on it punk!!!


you call that abuse?  Grin Grin

what are you? a 5 yr old girl? Cheesy Cheesy
At least I don't have fascist DNA. Wink
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Reply #19 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 6:21pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:21pm:
Now this is a little less preachy, Scoot, but the main point I disagree with is the way you ascribe all negativity to those with Leftist views. That's the way of the complacent man.


there is only leftists in australian politics.
there are no true 'rightards".

a rightard is all about
1 individual responsibility
2 pulling yourself up by your bootstraps
3 grinding it out to the bitter end
4 NEVER EVER complaining
5 NEVER EVER blaming
6 not worrying about what the group think says
7 NEVER EVER apologising or supplicating to the electorate
8 NEVER EVER pandering to the electorate
9 leading for the pure purpose of contributing.


i could go on, but labor, liberal, green...they are all leftie parties.
they all play a "weak sauce" game.
they pander and supplicate and dither.
they encourage "victim mentality".
they play the game called "the squeeky door gets the oil"

western social democracies are seeing the average person stuck in the group think go backwards, go into a tailspin in life, because western social democracies see every little problem that confronts a voter as a problem which must be removed, not as an opportunity which should be embraced.  they (our politicians) are like mindless parents who are in a toy store and the kids are nagging them for more toys and they just keep giving in to the tantrums and the whining...then they wonder why their kids (the electorate) turn into garbage human beings who spend their entire lives in taker mode, always asking 'whats in it for me" 
its a sad frame to come from.
and it boils down to leftard ideas that tough love equals abuse when in fact its hard to dish out tough love.
pandering is easy...any fool can be a people pleasing leftie, hand wringing do-gooder .  you will get pitiful results though going down this route
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Reply #20 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 6:26pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:28pm:
issuevoter wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:21pm:
Now this is a little less preachy, Scoot, but the main point I disagree with is the way you ascribe all negativity to those with Leftist views. That's the way of the complacent man.


Aquascoot implements his revolutionary concepts in the transport industry:

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Grin Grin Grin bugger you make me laugh
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Reply #21 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:13pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 6:17pm:
John Smith wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:40pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:30pm:
And here's abusive- sit on it punk!!!


you call that abuse?  Grin Grin

what are you? a 5 yr old girl? Cheesy Cheesy
At least I don't have fascist DNA. Wink


no, for you, sadly, it's worse ... you have idiot DNA
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Reply #22 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:14pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 6:21pm:
a rightard is all about
1 individual responsibility
2 pulling yourself up by your bootstraps
3 grinding it out to the bitter end
4 NEVER EVER complaining
5 NEVER EVER blaming
6 not worrying about what the group think says
7 NEVER EVER apologising or supplicating to the electorate
8 NEVER EVER pandering to the electorate
9 leading for the pure purpose of contributing.



sounds a lot like a dictator.  Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #23 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:24pm
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:13pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 6:17pm:
John Smith wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:40pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:30pm:
And here's abusive- sit on it punk!!!


you call that abuse?  Grin Grin

what are you? a 5 yr old girl? Cheesy Cheesy
At least I don't have fascist DNA. Wink


no, for you, sadly, it's worse ... you have idiot DNA
You are a lesson to be learnt John. You are a massive do-gooder while your pop was a fascist. It proves to me that any human being is capable of believing anything. Even amongst family.  It blows my mind. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Imagine how many Pecca's and John Smith's became committed Nazis??
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Reply #25 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:38pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 7:24pm:
You are a lesson to be learnt John. You are a massive do-gooder while your pop was a fascist. It proves to me that any human being is capable of believing anything. Even amongst family.  It blows my mind. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Imagine how many Pecca's and John Smith's became committed Nazis??



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Reply #26 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 9:40pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 6:21pm:
issuevoter wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:21pm:
Now this is a little less preachy, Scoot, but the main point I disagree with is the way you ascribe all negativity to those with Leftist views. That's the way of the complacent man.


there is only leftists in australian politics.
there are no true 'rightards".

a rightard is all about
1 individual responsibility
2 pulling yourself up by your bootstraps
3 grinding it out to the bitter end
4 NEVER EVER complaining
5 NEVER EVER blaming
6 not worrying about what the group think says
7 NEVER EVER apologising or supplicating to the electorate
8 NEVER EVER pandering to the electorate
9 leading for the pure purpose of contributing.


i could go on, but labor, liberal, green...they are all leftie parties.
they all play a "weak sauce" game.
they pander and supplicate and dither.
they encourage "victim mentality".
they play the game called "the squeeky door gets the oil"

western social democracies are seeing the average person stuck in the group think go backwards, go into a tailspin in life, because western social democracies see every little problem that confronts a voter as a problem which must be removed, not as an opportunity which should be embraced.  they (our politicians) are like mindless parents who are in a toy store and the kids are nagging them for more toys and they just keep giving in to the tantrums and the whining...then they wonder why their kids (the electorate) turn into garbage human beings who spend their entire lives in taker mode, always asking 'whats in it for me" 
its a sad frame to come from.
and it boils down to leftard ideas that tough love equals abuse when in fact its hard to dish out tough love.
pandering is easy...any fool can be a people pleasing leftie, hand wringing do-gooder .  you will get pitiful results though going down this route


Let me guess, you like Wagner.
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Reply #27 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 9:47pm
 
Its not rocket science, poor people eat worse, exercise less and tend to be more obese and substance abusers. Of course theres a direct link to lower cognitive function.
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Reply #28 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 10:25pm
 
Well - I'm absolutely amazed!  A poor diet and social condition actually means that your ability to function as a human being is lowered?

As THE reigning IQ in my A class at high school, which I started at 10.5 years - from a desperately impoverished by alcoholic and insane parents background - I can assure you that no food half the time, no clothes half the time including shoes to go to school, and not even warm bedding or even basic school fees paid, let along provision of books and stuff - makes it damned hard to excel and become that doctor your family think you should be.

So might I ask - what IS the issue here?

If you are offering zero resolution for this terrible problem of brilliant kids being dashed to pieces on the rocks of parental misbehaviour - why are you even discussing this?

Now - don't get me started on affirmative action for fat chicks......
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Reply #29 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 10:37pm
 
rhino wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 9:47pm:
Its not rocket science, poor people eat worse, exercise less and tend to be more obese and substance abusers. Of course theres a direct link to lower cognitive function.



Lots of generalisations there - you should have stopped at 'eat worse'.  Not all kids from such backgrounds become bad eaters, bad exercisers, fat and abuse substances.

I'm 67 yo - I've lead a life of achievement you cannot understand and few can compare with ... what you mthink you might be - I've been - I am 6' tall and weigh 14 stone with little fat even at my age, and I terrify people who challenge my military record at first sight, just by my basic appearance. I get ex paratroopers approaching me with awe on the street.  For most of my life I never even touched a beer..... and when I go out I look what I am - a well-dressed and very neatly pressed military officer.

I came from such a deprived background, far more deprived than any of you here could possibly understand, and if you had experienced it, I think most likely you would be dead or what you describe here.  There are failures enough in my immediate family to prove that true.

My brother, on the other hand, fitted that bill perfectly - drug abuse, crazy poo - you name it - though he was a thin as a rake from more substance abuse than eating.... I have a niece who is drug-addicted, has AIDS, and has had seven+ children to god knows how many fathers... I have a sister (her mother) who is a recovered drug addict, but is pretty insane.

Been there - done that.  You are what you are and you become what you become - through your own efforts.  Some may choose to fall down - I did not - and many others in similar situations choose not to fall down too - so generalisations are out of line here, Mister!
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Re: Ozpolitic conservatives: poverty causes low IQ
Reply #30 - Oct 28th, 2016 at 12:29am
 
Unforgiven wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:04pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:01pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:00pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 3:39pm:
Is that why your 3rd world brothers and sisters live in slums?


I am not from UK.
Nope- India.


Not there. Ignorance is Mr. Hammer's finest quality.


Brother we are strong and we must show White Dogs who is Qings! We Was Qings and We are Qings!

Brother how is search going?



Found woman yet?
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Reply #31 - Oct 28th, 2016 at 12:31am
 
Unforgiven

Brother never forget we have won over the white dogs haha!

We was Qings! For 5000 year time!

Have you found her yet?



Have you?

Brother we must fight together!

We was Qings!
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Re: Ozpolitic conservatives: poverty causes low IQ
Reply #32 - Oct 28th, 2016 at 12:43am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 10:37pm:
rhino wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 9:47pm:
Its not rocket science, poor people eat worse, exercise less and tend to be more obese and substance abusers. Of course theres a direct link to lower cognitive function.



Lots of generalisations there - you should have stopped at 'eat worse'.  Not all kids from such backgrounds become bad eaters, bad exercisers, fat and abuse substances.

I'm 67 yo - I've lead a life of achievement you cannot understand and few can compare with ... what you mthink you might be - I've been - I am 6' tall and weigh 14 stone with little fat even at my age, and I terrify people who challenge my military record at first sight, just by my basic appearance. I get ex paratroopers approaching me with awe on the street.  For most of my life I never even touched a beer..... and when I go out I look what I am - a well-dressed and very neatly pressed military officer.

I came from such a deprived background, far more deprived than any of you here could possibly understand, and if you had experienced it, I think most likely you would be dead or what you describe here.  There are failures enough in my immediate family to prove that true.

My brother, on the other hand, fitted that bill perfectly - drug abuse, crazy poo - you name it - though he was a thin as a rake from more substance abuse than eating.... I have a niece who is drug-addicted, has AIDS, and has had seven+ children to god knows how many fathers... I have a sister (her mother) who is a recovered drug addict, but is pretty insane.

Been there - done that.  You are what you are and you become what you become - through your own efforts.  Some may choose to fall down - I did not - and many others in similar situations choose not to fall down too - so generalisations are out of line here, Mister!
what i like most about you is your humility.
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Re: Ozpolitic conservatives: poverty causes low IQ
Reply #33 - Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:04am
 
issuevoter wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 9:40pm:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 6:21pm:
issuevoter wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 5:21pm:
Now this is a little less preachy, Scoot, but the main point I disagree with is the way you ascribe all negativity to those with Leftist views. That's the way of the complacent man.


there is only leftists in australian politics.
there are no true 'rightards".

a rightard is all about
1 individual responsibility
2 pulling yourself up by your bootstraps
3 grinding it out to the bitter end
4 NEVER EVER complaining
5 NEVER EVER blaming
6 not worrying about what the group think says
7 NEVER EVER apologising or supplicating to the electorate
8 NEVER EVER pandering to the electorate
9 leading for the pure purpose of contributing.


i could go on, but labor, liberal, green...they are all leftie parties.
they all play a "weak sauce" game.
they pander and supplicate and dither.
they encourage "victim mentality".
they play the game called "the squeeky door gets the oil"

western social democracies are seeing the average person stuck in the group think go backwards, go into a tailspin in life, because western social democracies see every little problem that confronts a voter as a problem which must be removed, not as an opportunity which should be embraced.  they (our politicians) are like mindless parents who are in a toy store and the kids are nagging them for more toys and they just keep giving in to the tantrums and the whining...then they wonder why their kids (the electorate) turn into garbage human beings who spend their entire lives in taker mode, always asking 'whats in it for me" 
its a sad frame to come from.
and it boils down to leftard ideas that tough love equals abuse when in fact its hard to dish out tough love.
pandering is easy...any fool can be a people pleasing leftie, hand wringing do-gooder .  you will get pitiful results though going down this route


Let me guess, you like Wagner.



if you are implying that  these are nazi or white supremisist ideas , you are wrong.

what i am saying is this.

only about 1 in 10 women are hot and high quality.
9 in 10 are fatties and naggers.
only about 1 in 10 men are brave and dynamic and energetic.
9 in 10 are lazy chodes who see "the absense of work and the absense of problems" as the ideal.

in a democracy where the above cohorts vote, then from this position of "lower consciousness", form this position of "laziness addiction", then it is IMPOSSIBLE to run an agenda that does not pander to these lower consciousness, "taker" mentality, desires.

i'm sure you KNOW deep down issuevoter that it is only the problems and the overcoming of them that allows a man to feel a legitimate sense of pride.
You know that the true happiness is not in getting the 'easy life" not in always going "the path of least resistance"
There is no growth down that path.
But that is the path we are inevitably on and it is due to the abandonment of the core principles of what it takes to BECOME happy and contented. It does not take lots of being pandered to. It takes lots of going thru the fire, burning out the impurities, embracing the challenges and mastering your emotions.
This cant be done in a nanny state that encourages voters to remain perpetual children. the nanny state thinks it is loving but really it is just doing the "easy" stuff.
Its a lot harder to set firm boundaries and remain on point then to just give in and pander.
Anyone can pander...it requires no depth of personality whatsoever. and for politicians (who are pandering with OTHER peoples money) Wink Wink Wink, give me a break...how could anyone call that displaying core principles of leadership.
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Re: Ozpolitic conservatives: poverty causes low IQ
Reply #34 - Oct 28th, 2016 at 7:02am
 
This thread is very aptly named.

All of the low IQ have had a go at trolling in it.

It has been quite a laugh, sadly though, it is indicative of the multi-personality, multi-alias trolls that frequent this forum.

But from a purely educational perspective, it does give one insight into how a trolls small mind works.

Perhaps if they actually got off their collective asses and went out into the real world.
(Assuming mommy let them)
They may get to see that the world if far too complex to break down into black and white.

I know the small minded trolls will have a go at me, its what they do.
But I have promised myself to ignore them, as they are not worth my time.
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Re: Ozpolitic conservatives: poverty causes low IQ
Reply #35 - Oct 28th, 2016 at 7:51am
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 7:02am:
This thread is very aptly named.

All of the low IQ have had a go at trolling in it.

It has been quite a laugh, sadly though, it is indicative of the multi-personality, multi-alias trolls that frequent this forum.

But from a purely educational perspective, it does give one insight into how a trolls small mind works.

Perhaps if they actually got off their collective asses and went out into the real world.
(Assuming mommy let them)
They may get to see that the world if far too complex to break down into black and white.

I know the small minded trolls will have a go at me, its what they do.
But I have promised myself to ignore them, as they are not worth my time.


This is a VERY important step on the "narrow road to success".
when we form a valid position (after years of self reflection, 1000's of reference experiences, and a willingness to grind it out and learn the harsh lessons) then we know what our "north star " is.
Without a "north star" life is just sort of a soup or a fog...you arent going anywhere .

Now once you have your north star, then ALL people who are not aligned with it are OUT.
You have to have the strong personal boundaries to avoid being sucked back into "groupthink"

The level of apathy in group think is so pervasive and so dominant that without a north star and a willingness to "not let the group think in", you will certainly stuff up your life.

Failure is the default
Inertia is the default.
Mediocre is the norm.

All that the goodness that you create by going on this journey will be destroyed without strong personal boundaries.

And the strongest boundaries have to be ON YOURSELF.
when you find yourself wanting to be self pitying, when you find yourself feeling sorry for yourself, when you find yourself wanting to quit and just go back into mediocre purgatory, you have to have strong personal boundaries not to let the negative emotions in.
This is the key to emotional mastery.
However much effort you put in to keeping the troll ideas away, you need to put 10 x as much effort into keeping your own negative ideas away.
best of luck  Wink
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