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Reply #30 - Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:23pm
 
Grendel wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:11am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 5:21am:
juliar wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 10:48am:
Labor set the precedent with Craig Thomson.


Rubbish Thomson was thrown out of the party as soon as he was charged.

I'm sorry....  Julia supported him for how long????? Grin


Until he was charged with an offence old chum - it is a bit rough to expect action to be taken based on rumour and speculation

Thomson is a red herring it has nothing to do with this case
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Reply #31 - Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:28pm
 
Grendel wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:12am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 5:26am:
Grendel wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 1:59pm:
Good luck with that....  seems to me Labor will stop at noting to be obstructionist and beholden to the unions. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Hard to imagine a Senator on a Senator's salary being insolvent or bankrupt eh. Grin Grin Grin


This is very bad legislation which need to be stopped. all should oppose it.

This is a standard in IR that they probably would not have got away with in Germany in the mid 1930's. This is a disgrace.

The ABCC is not BAD legislation at all, bad for unions and employers that behave badly yes indeed. Roll Eyes


It actually encourages employers to behave badly.
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Re: Bob Day May Face Legal Challenge To Prevent Vote
Reply #32 - Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:34pm
 
cods wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 10:42am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 9:56am:
cods wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 9:22am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 9:19am:
In any case, letting him stay and vote surely does far more damage to the government than losing his one vote.

His vote is tainted - he was donating hundreds of thousands to Family First while he knew his company was going down the gurgler. Or to put it more bluntly, he was directly taking away money his company owed to his contractors and using it to bankroll his own political career. If its not illegal, it is most definitally unethical.

Let the libs keep their tainted vote and watch them squirm over the rank hypocricy of it.



you didnt have any problems accepting THOMOS vote for about 18 months..


whats the difference.??...

it hasnt come out yet where all Bobs money has gone......but he doesnt look the brothel type...


Yes, I heard Pyne using this argument, and was frankly surprised a senior minister would use such a flawed argument. The difference should be obvious: Thommo denied his charges and had the presumption of innocence until convicted in court - as our legal convention dictates. Day's behaviour, while probably not illegal, is not disputed - it is on the public record, and that recorded behaviour - of ripping out money from his failing company and donating it to his political party - is at the very least unethical and severely taints his vote.



you forget he then told the world he LIED like a pig he is in PARLIAMENT.....but thats ok we know how you lefties love double standards when their your own side of course...

it does more than taint his vote matey    he has just run for the Senate again just a few months back and it would be obvious to many that he was going down then... and basically had no right... 

if he was honest that is... which has been proven he is far from honest,.

I am sick of the people that manage to get themselves elected to run our country....

you dont seem to mind as long as he/she is a lefty...

but I DO.


you forget he then told the world he LIED like a pig he is in PARLIAMENT


If you want to start throwing rocks at people who lie and mislead parliament the Liberal front bench would be a bloody mess.
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Re: Bob Day May Face Legal Challenge To Prevent Vote
Reply #33 - Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:47pm
 
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Section 44 (iii) of the constitution states: "Any person who is an undischarged bankrupt or insolvent, shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member of the House of Representatives."

There is also a remedy. If Day tries to take his place while ineligible, he can be sued by anyone under the Common Informers (Parliamentary Disqualifications) Act 1975 which supersedes section 46 of the Constitution.

The deficiency of this law is that the reward is only $200 per day. This penalty is exactly the same as the £100 penalty in Section 46 of the Constitution. This penalty has not been increased, even once, in 116 years.

If inflation was accounted for, this penalty would be in the order of $10,000 today. It is now much less than a politician earns in a day. This is just wrong.
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Re: Bob Day May Face Legal Challenge To Prevent Vote
Reply #34 - Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:53pm
 
Grendel wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:12am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 5:26am:
Grendel wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 1:59pm:
Good luck with that....  seems to me Labor will stop at noting to be obstructionist and beholden to the unions. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Hard to imagine a Senator on a Senator's salary being insolvent or bankrupt eh. Grin Grin Grin


This is very bad legislation which need to be stopped. all should oppose it.

This is a standard in IR that they probably would not have got away with in Germany in the mid 1930's. This is a disgrace.

The ABCC is not BAD legislation at all, bad for unions and employers that behave badly yes indeed. Roll Eyes

The ABCC is a lame duck because it won't stop most corruption and that is by design. Rooting out corruption is a good thing, so why not have a Federal broad-based anti-corruption commission with the same powers? Many would like to see a few bankers hauled away for interrogations.

The ABCC would be very bad legislation if the property developers weren't subject to exactly the same treatment as workers.
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Re: Bob Day May Face Legal Challenge To Prevent Vote
Reply #35 - Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:57pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:34pm:
cods wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 10:42am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 9:56am:
cods wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 9:22am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 9:19am:
In any case, letting him stay and vote surely does far more damage to the government than losing his one vote.

His vote is tainted - he was donating hundreds of thousands to Family First while he knew his company was going down the gurgler. Or to put it more bluntly, he was directly taking away money his company owed to his contractors and using it to bankroll his own political career. If its not illegal, it is most definitally unethical.

Let the libs keep their tainted vote and watch them squirm over the rank hypocricy of it.



you didnt have any problems accepting THOMOS vote for about 18 months..


whats the difference.??...

it hasnt come out yet where all Bobs money has gone......but he doesnt look the brothel type...


Yes, I heard Pyne using this argument, and was frankly surprised a senior minister would use such a flawed argument. The difference should be obvious: Thommo denied his charges and had the presumption of innocence until convicted in court - as our legal convention dictates. Day's behaviour, while probably not illegal, is not disputed - it is on the public record, and that recorded behaviour - of ripping out money from his failing company and donating it to his political party - is at the very least unethical and severely taints his vote.



you forget he then told the world he LIED like a pig he is in PARLIAMENT.....but thats ok we know how you lefties love double standards when their your own side of course...

it does more than taint his vote matey    he has just run for the Senate again just a few months back and it would be obvious to many that he was going down then... and basically had no right... 

if he was honest that is... which has been proven he is far from honest,.

I am sick of the people that manage to get themselves elected to run our country....

you dont seem to mind as long as he/she is a lefty...

but I DO.


you forget he then told the world he LIED like a pig he is in PARLIAMENT


If you want to start throwing rocks at people who lie and mislead parliament the Liberal front bench would be a bloody mess.



can we assume you are getting old and feeble   your comments of late have been..........

pitiful....

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Re: Bob Day May Face Legal Challenge To Prevent Vote
Reply #36 - Oct 28th, 2016 at 7:38pm
 
cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:57pm:
can we assume you are getting old and feeble



are you worried about competition?
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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
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Re: Bob Day May Face Legal Challenge To Prevent Vote
Reply #37 - Oct 28th, 2016 at 7:48pm
 
cods wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:57pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:34pm:
cods wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 10:42am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 9:56am:
cods wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 9:22am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 9:19am:
In any case, letting him stay and vote surely does far more damage to the government than losing his one vote.

His vote is tainted - he was donating hundreds of thousands to Family First while he knew his company was going down the gurgler. Or to put it more bluntly, he was directly taking away money his company owed to his contractors and using it to bankroll his own political career. If its not illegal, it is most definitally unethical.

Let the libs keep their tainted vote and watch them squirm over the rank hypocricy of it.



you didnt have any problems accepting THOMOS vote for about 18 months..


whats the difference.??...

it hasnt come out yet where all Bobs money has gone......but he doesnt look the brothel type...


Yes, I heard Pyne using this argument, and was frankly surprised a senior minister would use such a flawed argument. The difference should be obvious: Thommo denied his charges and had the presumption of innocence until convicted in court - as our legal convention dictates. Day's behaviour, while probably not illegal, is not disputed - it is on the public record, and that recorded behaviour - of ripping out money from his failing company and donating it to his political party - is at the very least unethical and severely taints his vote.



you forget he then told the world he LIED like a pig he is in PARLIAMENT.....but thats ok we know how you lefties love double standards when their your own side of course...

it does more than taint his vote matey    he has just run for the Senate again just a few months back and it would be obvious to many that he was going down then... and basically had no right... 

if he was honest that is... which has been proven he is far from honest,.

I am sick of the people that manage to get themselves elected to run our country....

you dont seem to mind as long as he/she is a lefty...

but I DO.


you forget he then told the world he LIED like a pig he is in PARLIAMENT


If you want to start throwing rocks at people who lie and mislead parliament the Liberal front bench would be a bloody mess.



can we assume you are getting old and feeble   your comments of late have been..........

pitiful....



It is pitiful that it is true.
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Reply #38 - Oct 29th, 2016 at 8:05am
 
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:28pm:
Grendel wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 6:12am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 28th, 2016 at 5:26am:
Grendel wrote on Oct 27th, 2016 at 1:59pm:
Good luck with that....  seems to me Labor will stop at noting to be obstructionist and beholden to the unions. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Hard to imagine a Senator on a Senator's salary being insolvent or bankrupt eh. Grin Grin Grin


This is very bad legislation which need to be stopped. all should oppose it.

This is a standard in IR that they probably would not have got away with in Germany in the mid 1930's. This is a disgrace.

The ABCC is not BAD legislation at all, bad for unions and employers that behave badly yes indeed. Roll Eyes


It actually encourages employers to behave badly.

Ah no it doesn't....
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Re: Bob Day May Face Legal Challenge To Prevent Vote
Reply #39 - Oct 29th, 2016 at 8:30am
 
Grendel wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 8:05am:
Ah no it doesn't....


the evidence suggests otherwise.



Since the ABCC and Building and Construction Industry laws came in during 2005, there has been a massive increase in deaths and serious injuries in our industry.

The number of deaths has gone up:
from 3.14 per 100,000 workers in 2004 – before the ABCC started –
to 4.8 per 100,000 workers in 2007 and 4.27 in 2008.

The construction laws and ABCC have taken us back to the terrible situation of, on average, one construction being killed on the job every week.

Limits on right of entry for union organizers have made safety worse.


Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #40 - Oct 29th, 2016 at 3:30pm
 
Until such time as he is formally declared bankrupt or insolvent he has an absolute right to sit as a senator and High Court action will only underscore that fact. Given that there is currently an effort to refinance his business it would be very presumptuous to assume bankruptcy.

And anyhow, the SA govt has stated that could anoint is replacement in 48 hours - unless you think his probably replacement is going to vote any different?
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Reply #41 - Oct 29th, 2016 at 3:32pm
 
John Smith wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 8:30am:
Grendel wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 8:05am:
Ah no it doesn't....


the evidence suggests otherwise.



Since the ABCC and Building and Construction Industry laws came in during 2005, there has been a massive increase in deaths and serious injuries in our industry.

The number of deaths has gone up:
from 3.14 per 100,000 workers in 2004 – before the ABCC started –
to 4.8 per 100,000 workers in 2007 and 4.27 in 2008.

The construction laws and ABCC have taken us back to the terrible situation of, on average, one construction being killed on the job every week.

Limits on right of entry for union organizers have made safety worse.


Cheesy Cheesy



because union organisers ONLY come on site for safety?

time to go and get your anti-gullibility injection again. The old one has worn off.
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Re: Bob Day May Face Legal Challenge To Prevent Vote
Reply #42 - Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:04pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 3:32pm:
John Smith wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 8:30am:
Grendel wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 8:05am:
Ah no it doesn't....


the evidence suggests otherwise.



Since the ABCC and Building and Construction Industry laws came in during 2005, there has been a massive increase in deaths and serious injuries in our industry.

The number of deaths has gone up:
from 3.14 per 100,000 workers in 2004 – before the ABCC started –
to 4.8 per 100,000 workers in 2007 and 4.27 in 2008.

The construction laws and ABCC have taken us back to the terrible situation of, on average, one construction being killed on the job every week.

Limits on right of entry for union organizers have made safety worse.


Cheesy Cheesy



because union organisers ONLY come on site for safety?

time to go and get your anti-gullibility injection again. The old one has worn off.


Irrespective of your meaningless drivel and diversions the fact remains that the operation of the ABCC resulted in deaths and injuries in the industry - this is an indisputable fact.
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Reply #43 - Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:05pm
 
How quickly did Bob the x Builder go from taking the moral high ground by immediately stepping down to taking the opposite road.
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Reply #44 - Oct 29th, 2016 at 10:17pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Oct 29th, 2016 at 3:30pm:
the SA govt has stated that could anoint is replacement in 48 hours - unless you think his probably replacement is going to vote any different?

If his replacement won't vote differently, why is Day so determined to stick around for as long as possible?
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