Did he say he would stop paying their subsidies too, Bogie? That's why they're in Detroit and not Tijuana.

Then they would be stunned. They certainly know the president wouldn't try to put up prices by 35%. And they also know the president has no power to do so.

That might explain their silence. They were amazed that a presidential candidate could be so jaw-droppingly dumb.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

Marla wrote on Oct 27^th, 2016 at 8:23am:


You don't think the Amerikan public should be informed that Trump is threatening to put Ford out of business?

Or that he plans to slug imported goods with a 35% tax?

And that he plans to end NAFTA in the process?

Remember, this is the non-mainstream news Bogie wants you to hear.

cods wrote on Oct 27^th, 2016 at 8:54am:


That's true, dear, but Trump's going to make Amerika great again, so it's all good.

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 27^th, 2016 at 6:11am:


In some ways, this issue, has been the "elephant in the room," for twenty years. Globalisation was never intended to bring you cheaper goods. It was a way of getting cheaper labour, thereby benefiting those who do the importing. Lower prices were just the bait to get Western workers to go along with the developments. But the reality is that, sooner or later, the pool of wealth at the consumer level will run out. The goose that laid the golden egg will be dead, but dynasties and their corporations are already international, and are free to feast on corpses elsewhere.

The problem with Trump, apart from being a total asshole, is that while he has identified real problems, he has no capacity for articulating them in universal terms that would be undeniable to all intelligent voters.

He's like one of these dreadful Hollywood types who, intoxicated with their narrow success, must then write, direct, and act in a production. And then they wonder why it fails at the box-office. If you cannot delegate, you certainly will fail as a leader of a complex organisation.

OK on second thought, my metaphor is flawed, but you catch my drift.

I'm almost certain the US President has absolutely no power to do such a thing.

issuevoter wrote on Oct 27^th, 2016 at 9:37am:


Issue, prices have dropped in relation to wages since the 1980s. Back then, you never saw the array of cheap stuff we have for sale today. Back then, you had to go to Singapore and Hong Kong for cheap electronics. Today, they're the same price here.

Many goods are cheaper today in dollar prices. Clothing and footware was much more expensive due to tariffs. Companies had monopolies and didn't compete. Competition with foreign goods has driven prices down.

The big global shift in the 1970s was the rise in manufacturing competition from Germany and Japan. In the 80 and 90s, Taiwan, Korea and China got in. This gave US-manufactured goods competition, and not just because of prices. People bought Japanese cars, for example, because they were smaller and more efficient than what came out of Detroit. Americans bought Volkswagen Beetles in the 60s and 70s for the same reason.

Governments favouring local manufacturing only results in one thing: monopolies. Consumers want choice. Not all Americans want locally-made gas-guzzlers. They deserve the opportunity to buy imports. More importantly, the economy as a whole deserves a level-playing field.

Our car business in Australia didn't go bust because the government withdrew tariffs and subsidies. Ultimately, it busted because not enough people wanted Australian cars.

This is fair. People should not be forced to buy a product because alternatives are restricted. Government-supported monopolies are corrupt and unfair to the competition. When it comes to manufactured consumer goods, monopolies deliver inferior products.

Manufactured goods are cheaper and better with a global level playing field. Take this away, and it might create a few jobs, but at the expense of consumers. Why shouldn't the government spend those subsidies and increased taxes on services rather than manufacturing jobs?

Surely it would be better to increase taxes rather than impose tariffs and spend the money on teachers or even infrastructure. This would be a long-term investment in the economy. 

At the end of the day, propping up GMH and Ford with taxpayer's money only favours GMH And Ford.

Michael Moore: Trump’s Election Will Be Biggest ‘F*ck You’ in Human History 0-and it ill feel GREAT!!!!




“So on November 8th, the dispossessed will walk into the voting booth, be handed a ballot, close the curtain and take that lever, or felt pen, or touch screen and put a big smacking X in the box by the name of the man who has threatened to upend and overturn the very system that has ruined their lives: Donald J. Trump.

“They see that the elites, who ruined their lives, hate Trump. Corporate America hates Trump. Wall Street hates Trump. The career politicians hate Trump. The media hate Trump, after they loved him and created him and now hate him. Thank you, media. The enemy of my enemy is who I’m voting for on November 8th.