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Oct 26th, 2016 at 10:31am
 
This could portend the overthrow of the military government by popular revolution. The latest fiasco is a sugar shortage.

Saudi Arabia has stopped giving Egypt US$ billions in aid. This could lead to Egypt rescinding the reversion of Islands to Saudi control which was the cause of much popular dissent.

Could this portend another failed state in the Middle East under Obama's watch?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-egypt-economy-discontent-insight-idUSKCN12N0D8

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A cartoon which appeared on social media shows a drowning Egyptian, only his hand protruding from the depths, waving for help. The next strips show President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi diving in, taking the drowning man's watch and turning away.

The cartoon captures the mood of desperation and anger among Egyptians clobbered by tax rises, soaring food price inflation and cuts in state subsidies. Some fear a repeat of the mass street protests that drove Sisi's two immediate predecessors from power.

Core inflation is at seven-year-highs, near 14 percent, as a foreign exchange shortage and a hike in customs duties bite hard in a country that imports everything from sugar to luxury cars.

The government raised electricity prices by 25-40 percent in August and is phasing in a 13 percent value-added tax approved by parliament in the same month.

As part of reforms aimed at clinching a $12 billion IMF loan needed to plug its gaping budget deficit, the government is also expected to cut petrol subsidies and devalue the Egyptian pound, prompting a further cycle of inflation in Egypt, where tens of millions rely on state-subsidized bread.

"Prices are rising daily, not monthly," said Gamal Darwish, a civil servant, as he queued to buy subsidized sugar in Cairo.

"This situation will push people to do bad things. It could slip out of hand and the government will not be able to control it because if the poorest cannot get enough to eat they will steal. If someone has children to feed, what will he do?"

The government has tried to win public support for the austerity measures with a billboard campaign and media blitz and has also sought to expand social security schemes to shield the poorest from the effects of the rising prices.

But many Egyptians who would not qualify for such schemes complain they can no longer afford meat, while sugar shortages have driven fears of an impending food crisis.

Social justice was one of the key demands made by protesters during the 2011 revolt that ended Hosni Mubarak's 30-year rule.In 2013 Egyptians again filled the streets to protest against Mohammed Mursi, the Muslim Brotherhood official who was democratically elected after the uprising but presided over a year of power cuts, petrol shortages and economic turmoil.

Three years after Sisi, an army general, ousted Mursi and seized power, his promise to restore stability is wearing thin.

The arrival of sugar in a government van caused a frenzy in the working class district of Sayyida Zeinab on Tuesday, as people jostled, 10-pound-notes in hand, for 2-kilo rations.

"After two revolutions, the Egyptian people are going backwards not forwards," said Abdel Hasib Ahmed Mohamed, a middle-aged court employee watching the sugar scrum. "We are heading for an explosion and this time it won't be peaceful." ...
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Reply #1 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 10:37am
 
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"After two revolutions, the Egyptian people are going backwards not forwards,"


Third time lucky perhaps?
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Reply #2 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 12:06pm
 
Denizen Gandalf eagerly awaits the return to power of the Muslim Brotherhood.
He enjoys beheadings and the whipping of wives who have disobeyed their better halves.
Economic progress will surely follow the installation of a fundamentalist regime. Nasser et seq brought no improvements at all in the land of the Pharaohs.
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Reply #3 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 12:18pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 12:06pm:
Denizen Gandalf eagerly awaits the return to power of the Muslim Brotherhood.
He enjoys beheadings and the whipping of wives who have disobeyed their better halves.
Economic progress will surely follow the installation of a fundamentalist regime. Nasser et seq brought no improvements at all in the land of the Pharaohs.


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Reply #4 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 12:32pm
 
Wasn't Egypt recently involved in Muslim infestation?

That would explain a lot.

Everywhere this disease goes it destroys the country.

Its a plague form hell itself.

Its prophet is a narcissistic, pedophile sociopath.



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Reply #5 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 12:36pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 12:32pm:
Wasn't Egypt recently involved in Muslim infestation?

That would explain a lot.

Everywhere this disease goes it destroys the country.

Its a plague form hell itself.

Its prophet is a narcissistic, pedophile sociopath.


Muslim infestation has certainly caused Valkie to lose its head.

Valkie you are a total dolt. You wouldn't even notice your head was missing.
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Reply #6 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 12:42pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 12:36pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 12:32pm:
Wasn't Egypt recently involved in Muslim infestation?

That would explain a lot.

Everywhere this disease goes it destroys the country.

Its a plague form hell itself.

Its prophet is a narcissistic, pedophile sociopath.


Muslim infestation has certainly caused Valkie to lose its head.

Valkie you are a total dolt. You wouldn't even notice your head was missing.


Ahhhh'

The little man is at it again, after so long hiding behind one of his many aliases.

Without pause he comes out insulting and denigrating all and sundry as is his way.

Wattsamata? have you gone off your medication again?

Or perhaps mom has allowed you back on you computer after being punished for some small misdeed?

Have fun little man, perhaps one day you might just grow up enough to play with the big boys.


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Reply #7 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 12:52pm
 
Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 12:42pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 12:36pm:
Valkie wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 12:32pm:
Wasn't Egypt recently involved in Muslim infestation?

That would explain a lot.

Everywhere this disease goes it destroys the country.

Its a plague form hell itself.

Its prophet is a narcissistic, pedophile sociopath.


Muslim infestation has certainly caused Valkie to lose its head.

Valkie you are a total dolt. You wouldn't even notice your head was missing.


Ahhhh'

The little man is at it again, after so long hiding behind one of his many aliases.

Without pause he comes out insulting and denigrating all and sundry as is his way.

Wattsamata? have you gone off your medication again?

Or perhaps mom has allowed you back on you computer after being punished for some small misdeed?

Have fun little man, perhaps one day you might just grow up enough to play with the big boys.


Little Valkie plays with itself.
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Reply #8 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 1:16pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 12:36pm:
Muslim infestation has certainly caused Valkie to lose its head.

Valkie you are a total dolt. You wouldn't even notice your head was missing.


Careful Unforgiven, apologists might get upset if you mention the religion of peace and losing your head together. 

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Reply #9 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 5:22pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 12:18pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 12:06pm:
Denizen Gandalf eagerly awaits the return to power of the Muslim Brotherhood.
He enjoys beheadings and the whipping of wives who have disobeyed their better halves.
Economic progress will surely follow the installation of a fundamentalist regime. Nasser et seq brought no improvements at all in the land of the Pharaohs.


http://alllies.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/andysinger9.jpg

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Amazingly, this only seems to happen to non-Europeans nowadays.

Why?

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Reply #10 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 5:41pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 10:31am:
This could portend the overthrow of the military government by popular revolution. The latest fiasco is a sugar shortage.

Saudi Arabia has stopped giving Egypt US$ billions in aid. This could lead to Egypt rescinding the reversion of Islands to Saudi control which was the cause of much popular dissent.

Could this portend another failed state in the Middle East under Obama's watch?



This kid is smarter than unforgiven/takes it up the ass till he cries/Svengali/all his other socks that mention closet poms that can be found in the 9/11 nutjob thread



Get a job and pay some taxes ya dopey bum

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Reply #11 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 6:11pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 5:41pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 10:31am:
This could portend the overthrow of the military government by popular revolution. The latest fiasco is a sugar shortage.

Saudi Arabia has stopped giving Egypt US$ billions in aid. This could lead to Egypt rescinding the reversion of Islands to Saudi control which was the cause of much popular dissent.

Could this portend another failed state in the Middle East under Obama's watch?



This kid is smarter than unforgiven/takes it up the ass till he cries/Svengali/all his other socks that mention closet poms that can be found in the 9/11 nutjob thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uTpncr8knk[/media]

Get a job and pay some taxes ya dopey bum



Has BaronVonRort usurped leadership of closet poms?
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Reply #12 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 6:15pm
 
If only Egypt's main export, jihadists, was a trade-able commodity Wink
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Reply #13 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 6:32pm
 
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 6:15pm:
If only Egypt's main export, jihadists, was a trade-able commodity Wink


I suspect demand has declined because Gordon and his ilk have a head full of imaginary Jihadists and would crap themselves if a real one was supplied to them.
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Reply #14 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 11:51pm
 
Used to be cotton - read Catch-22 (they get you coming and going and nothing is what it seems) - the number 22 is the same both ways..... original title was Catch-18.... but was over-run by Uris' 'Mila 18' about the Polish Jewish Resistance in Warsaw.

Milo Minderbender cornered the market in Egyptian cotton, but the market failed... and he tried to sell it as a snack covered with chocolate.

The Egyptian economy was always collapsed - it is a Third World Banana Republic, controlled by Third Worlders - and was never a viable economy in any way - apart from Nile Cod, which I always suspected was Crocodile Steaks..... tastes the same.....
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Reply #15 - Oct 26th, 2016 at 11:56pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 6:32pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2016 at 6:15pm:
If only Egypt's main export, jihadists, was a trade-able commodity Wink


I suspect demand has declined because Gordon and his ilk have a head full of imaginary Jihadists and would crap themselves if a real one was supplied to them.


The Anglo-orientated ruling clique in Egypt has had a permanent opposition to Islamism - which you do not understand (Islamism) - and Islamism is a drive to adhere fully to the tenets of The Koran - which made the secular government of Egypt its enemy by default - by default meaning that Islamists chose to see the secular government of Egypt as its fundamental enemy, since it did not adhere fully to The Koran.

There is a definitive lesson there for the West - for those who choose to see it......

Gordon has a very valid point in this discussion......
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Reply #16 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 4:54am
 
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Thousands of times I heard Muslims living in the west, their non-Muslim apologists, western politicians and the western mainstream media repeat the following statement : The vast majority of Muslims are moderate peace loving people and only a tiny minority are “extremists”:

article-0-0989D918000005DC-427_468x378On the terrorist attack of September 11th 2001 in Egypt (80 million people in this time). 19 Muslim hijackers killed 3000 innocent Americans by their own hands. Almost 80 million Muslim Egyptians following the attacks were celebrating the death of those American victims: All public transport was free this day and for the next three days all the restaurants offered free meals and sweets. All the cinemas and gardens offered free entry, the radio stations didn’t stop playing happy victory songs….Does this mean that only 19 hijackers were “extremists” while the 80 million Muslim Egyptians were “moderate peace loving” people? Does that mean that 80 million are “peace loving” only because they did not kill by their own hands?

You are not required to kill to be called violent or “extremist”or “radical”or “terrorist”. You can be violent, extremist, radical or terrorist even if you don’t kill with your own hands.  That’s what the West is unable to understand…In Islam, there is many forms of “Jihad” other than killing in the battlefield…The vast majority of Muslims are sympathizers with terrorists. They believe in the same ideology and share their goals even if they do not hold arms themselves. That’s why this vast majority is silent and don’t show any opposition to their fellows who kill in the name of their religion.

A Muslim generally, as his holy texts command, can never befriend a kaffir (non-Muslim). TO them, you are a “kaffir”, and the “Kaffir” in the Quran is UNCLEAN… They believe hell fire is your final destiny, the only reason why they may smile to you is to proselytize you “Dawah or Daawa دعوة” . This is a religious duty to all Muslims; to try to convert non-Muslims to Islam or at least to try to stop you from defending yourself and to let them achieve their goal quietly and to neutralize you . As it is mentioned in verse 3:28: from the Quran: “Let not the believers take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them…”.

This hypocrisy is widely used and encouraged in Islam when dealing with kaffirs. it’s called “Taqqiyah“ and it is widely used by muslims in non-Islamic countries.

Muslims are killing each other using the most barbaric ways in Islamic countries. Muslim fathers or mothers can kill their daughters for not wearing the islamic veil or for being too westernize…If they are such unmerciful between each other, how do you except them to be nice to you or befriend you, the “Kaffirs”?…Before you say not All Muslims do that, please admit that this happens, and it happens everyday and happens ONLY in Islamic societies.
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Reply #17 - Oct 27th, 2016 at 12:32pm
 
Its looking even worse than before the military coup that overthrew Morsi.

The black market rates for EGP v USD is nearly double the official rate, and its worsening:

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-26/hyperinflation-looms-black-market-egypt...

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With all eyes on the drop in the British Pound, it is another 'pound' that is utterly collapsing. Despite its official exchange rate is 8.88 per dollar, Egypt’s pound dropped to 16.11 per dollar in the black market, another record that extends declines over the past month to 19% and down over 40% since it devalued in March.

The Sovereign CDS market (which prices for both default and devaluation) is pricing in a further dramatic devaluation of the official rate...

Bloomberg reports that Africa’s third-biggest economy will close a $12 billion lifeline from the International Monetary Fund within two months, according to Prime Minister Sherif Ismail, as pressure grows on the country to weaken its currency to lure foreign investment and stimulate growth.

Ever since General Sisi ousted the Muslim Brotherhood, the Egyptian economy has remained in shambles. Businessmen are fed up.  They are ignoring government gag orders, and are making their voices heard. And why not?  They are losing sales, missing deadlines, and scrapping expansion plans because of limited access to U.S. dollars.

Where are the greenbacks that Egyptians demand? Well, even though General Sisi has passed the begging bowl, the cupboard is pretty bare (as the accompanying chart shows).  This, in part, is due to the Muslim Brotherhood.  The Brotherhood did one thing well: they blew through foreign exchange reserves like wildfire.   Not surprisingly, the Sisi administration is squeaky tight about holding on to its limited reserves.

As we noted in March, the only sure-fire way to save the pound and eliminate Egypt’s USD shortage is to install a currency board.  This would allow the quantity of pounds in circulation to be determined by a free-market mechanism.

So, just what is a currency board? Operating under currency board rules, a monetary authority issues notes and coins convertible on demand into a foreign anchor currency at a fixed exchange rate. As reserves, a currency board holds low-risk, interest-bearing bonds denominated in the anchor currency.  The reserve levels are set by law and are equal to 100 percent, or slightly more, of its monetary liabilities. A currency board generates profits
(seigniorage) from the difference between the interest it earns on its reserve assets and the expense of maintaining its liabilities. By design, a currency board has no discretionary monetary powers and cannot engage in the fiduciary issue of money. Its operations are passive, and automatic. The sole function of a currency board is to exchange the domestic currency it issues for an anchor currency at a fixed rate.  Consequently, the quantity of domestic currency in circulation is determined solely by market forces, namely the demand for domestic currency.

There have been many currency boards, and none have failed.  By design, they can’t be broken. Even the currency board designed by John Maynard Keynes, which was installed in North Russia, during the civil war, worked like a charm.

But, you may ask, what about Argentina’s Convertibility System (1991 2001). That system was not a currency board.  It might have had the appearance of a currency board, but appearances can be deceiving, particularly in Argentina.  Even though it linked the peso to the USD at a one-to-one rate, the Convertibility System was a system that operated with monetary discretion – unlike a currency board.  And over long periods of time,
the discretion was wild.

A currency board would give Egypt stability, and while stability might not be everything, everything is nothing without stability.
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Reply #18 - Nov 4th, 2016 at 9:16am
 
The Egyptian pound crashed by 35% overnight as the currency was allowed to float. Its still higher than the black market rate which means it has further to fall.

This will probably cause a reaction against the military junta.

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=egp&to=usd
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