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Reply #60 - Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:16pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

I'd rather not use killing as an act of revenge or punishment.

I'm a civilised human being.

Is it civilised to put them behind bars instead of releasing them onto an inhabitable island in the Pacific?

That's your dilemma. I'll leave you to answer it.

I maintain that civilised people do not condone killing as an act of revenge or punishment.

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Reply #61 - Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:10pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 1:30pm:

You are what's wrong with the world pecca.

No.

You are what's wrong with the world.

You see violence, torture, and murder as legitimate solutions to certain problems.

That's a barbaric, cowardly approach that degrades all of humanity.

I'm everything that's good about the world.

You are the product of a spoilt lifestyle and too much money. Because you have your lovely bachelor pad Vic Park existence you believe the rest of the world is like that. It's not. It's a nuthouse which doesn't play with upper middle class Vic Park rules. Until the world gets better people need to fight back and have backing. Otherwise we all turn into victims.

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Reply #62 - Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:16pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

I'd rather not use killing as an act of revenge or punishment.

I'm a civilised human being.

Is it civilised to put them behind bars instead of releasing them onto an inhabitable island in the Pacific?

That's your dilemma. I'll leave you to answer it.

I maintain that civilised people do not condone killing as an act of revenge or punishment.

monsters don't deserve mercy.

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Reply #64 - Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:47pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:16pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

I'd rather not use killing as an act of revenge or punishment.

I'm a civilised human being.

Is it civilised to put them behind bars instead of releasing them onto an inhabitable island in the Pacific?

That's your dilemma. I'll leave you to answer it.

I maintain that civilised people do not condone killing as an act of revenge or punishment.

monsters don't deserve mercy.

Once again, you miss the point.

Nobody is talking about mercy.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 131482 Gender:	Re: I believe in the Death Penalty ... Reply #65 - Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:47pm Gordon wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:37pm: I haven't heard many compelling arguments against the death penalty actually. Yet you oppose it. Do you know your arse from your elbow?
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 80205 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: I believe in the Death Penalty ... Reply #66 - Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:55pm I view the death penalty the same was as I view Bali - it may have its good points - but I have zero interest in going there...
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: I believe in the Death Penalty ... Reply #67 - Oct 18^th, 2016 at 3:02pm You can always count on Pecker to take the faggiest position on any topic.
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: I believe in the Death Penalty ... Reply #68 - Oct 18^th, 2016 at 3:05pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:55pm: I view the death penalty the same was as I view Bali - it may have its good points - but I have zero interest in going there... I bet you would if somebody killed your family.
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Reply #69 - Oct 18^th, 2016 at 3:06pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 3:05pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:55pm:

I view the death penalty the same was as I view Bali - it may have its good points - but I have zero interest in going there...

I bet you would if somebody killed your family.

Once again, you're looking at the wrong aspect of the topic.

It's not about the crime, or the criminal: it's about the punishment.

Civilised people don't support premeditated, state-sanctioned killing as an act of revenge or punishment, no matter how heinous the crime or who the victims are.

You need to address the issue objectively, but I know that's not a skill you possess.

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Reply #70 - Oct 18^th, 2016 at 3:09pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:47pm:

Gordon wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:37pm:

I haven't heard many compelling arguments against the death penalty actually.

Yet you oppose it.

Do you know your arse from your elbow?

The bulk of the arguments against are sanctity of life or about the barbarity. I believe barbaric humans deserve a barbaric death.

And regarding it not being a 100% effective deterrent well no punishment is but to some % it would be a deterrent. It's certainty an effective punishment.

My only reason to object it is because I have such little faith in our legal system.

You only need to look at the analytical skills of the bloke on here who reckons he's a lawyer. If my defence in a murder charge came down to providing evidence that I took a photo from a hill and not a hover car, I'd be screwed. Cheesy

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Reply #71 - Oct 18^th, 2016 at 3:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 3:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 3:05pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:55pm:

I view the death penalty the same was as I view Bali - it may have its good points - but I have zero interest in going there...

I bet you would if somebody killed your family.

Once again, you're looking at the wrong aspect of the topic.

It's not about the crime, or the criminal: it's about the punishment.

Civilised people don't support premeditated, state-sanctioned killing as an act of revenge or punishment, no matter how heinous the crime or who the victims are.

You need to address the issue objectively, but I know that's not a skill you possess.

Sure pecca. Many countries in the world have capital punishment. 1st and 3rd world. You need to pull your head out of your ass.

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Reply #72 - Oct 18^th, 2016 at 3:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 16^th, 2016 at 12:38pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 16^th, 2016 at 12:31pm:

... and not just for the murder of humans.

Some people just do not deserve the privileges and comforts that come with living in modern Western civilisation with all of its many enjoyments.

These people are monsters in human form who should be aborted just as happens by the thousands each year when monsters are born in maternity operating rooms.

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A disturbing story, Her-bert.

The perpetrators are sick fvckers, that's for sure.

However, one of the "privileges and comforts that come with living in modern Western civilisation with all of its many enjoyments" is the knowledge that we don't lower ourselves to their level by using violence and killing as a way of solving problems or being entertained.

If we did, we couldn't truly call ourselves civilised.

I share your outrage, Her-bert, but there's no place in a civilised society for the premeditated, state-sanctioned killing of prisoners/criminals.

And where did that civilization come from? The answer is: Britain.

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Reply #73 - Oct 18^th, 2016 at 3:41pm

Gordon wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 3:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:47pm:

Gordon wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 2:37pm:

I haven't heard many compelling arguments against the death penalty actually.

Yet you oppose it.

Do you know your arse from your elbow?

I believe barbaric humans deserve a barbaric death.

Which makes you barbaric.

Thus, you deserve a barbaric death.

This isn't gonna end well, Gordy.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 131482 Gender:	Re: I believe in the Death Penalty ... Reply #74 - Oct 18^th, 2016 at 3:44pm Gordon wrote on Oct 18^th, 2016 at 3:09pm: And regarding it not being a 100% effective deterrent well no punishment is but to some % it would be a deterrent. Yet there's very little (if any) evidence to support your claim.
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