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Re: Return to SA?
Reply #15 - Dec 1^st, 2017 at 10:48pm

Auggie wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 10:41pm:

Vulcan wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 10:35pm:

Doesn't SA have enough trouble trying to run it's own State? Let alone taking on the responsibility of another people way up there in the far north - that should have developed into a State of their own accord by now.
SA trying to take on too much for a Territory that is giving so little?

By reducing the role of the Federal Government, SA can take on any State in Australia. The problem is that the States are strangled by the feds through taxes and grants.

NT is a territory for a specific reason - it is sparsely populated and doesn't have enough population to warrant Statehood.

It took me a while to figure out how to do that quote thing in reply.
Yes - I do agree with you on that. By reducing Federal domination, the States would indeed do a lot better. They only seem to get empowered against the Feds when they are all of the same party in opposition to the Federal party.
ie: all ALP States v NLP Federal.
Power to the States.

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Re: Return to SA?
Reply #16 - Dec 3^rd, 2017 at 1:03pm

Vulcan wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 10:48pm:

Auggie wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 10:41pm:

Vulcan wrote on Dec 1^st, 2017 at 10:35pm:

Doesn't SA have enough trouble trying to run it's own State? Let alone taking on the responsibility of another people way up there in the far north - that should have developed into a State of their own accord by now.
SA trying to take on too much for a Territory that is giving so little?

By reducing the role of the Federal Government, SA can take on any State in Australia. The problem is that the States are strangled by the feds through taxes and grants.

NT is a territory for a specific reason - it is sparsely populated and doesn't have enough population to warrant Statehood.

It took me a while to figure out how to do that quote thing in reply.
Yes - I do agree with you on that. By reducing Federal domination, the States would indeed do a lot better. They only seem to get empowered against the Feds when they are all of the same party in opposition to the Federal party.
ie: all ALP States v NLP Federal.
Power to the States.

Exactly, and the best thing is for NT and SA to amalgamate and reduce the number of governments and politicians.

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Vulcan Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 119 Gender:	Re: Return to SA? Reply #17 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 12:36am Then we could have just three States. Western, Central & Eastern Australia. thats if we merged Qld, Nsw & Vic together as well.
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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6488 Gender:	Re: Return to SA? Reply #18 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 7:48am Then we could have just three States. Western, Central & Eastern Australia. thats if we merged Qld, Nsw & Vic together as well. And give Tasmania to NZ
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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6488 Gender:	Re: Return to SA? Reply #19 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 7:49am How about we saw off Northern Australia and make a state of that.
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Reply #20 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 8:41am

miketrees wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 7:49am:

How about we saw off Northern Australia and make a state of that.

How's about fkken no?

How about you southerners stop dictating your pig ignorant opinions to the north?

If the NT wants to be part of SA or even their own state then fine they are happy as they are then so be it.

Same applies to North Queensland for that matter.

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Reply #21 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 11:29am

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 8:41am:

miketrees wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 7:49am:

How about we saw off Northern Australia and make a state of that.

How's about fkken no?

How about you southerners stop dictating your pig ignorant opinions to the north?

If the NT wants to be part of SA or even their own state then fine they are happy as they are then so be it.

Same applies to North Queensland for that matter.

I am sympathetic to the concerns of Nth Queenslanders, but I don't believe that your own State is the answer. There needs to be more decentralization toward the States and local councils. Maybe you could think about having the State government decentralize more responsibilities toward to local councils in Nth Qld?

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Reply #22 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 12:13pm

Auggie wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 11:29am:

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 8:41am:

miketrees wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 7:49am:

How about we saw off Northern Australia and make a state of that.

How's about fkken no?

How about you southerners stop dictating your pig ignorant opinions to the north?

If the NT wants to be part of SA or even their own state then fine they are happy as they are then so be it.

Same applies to North Queensland for that matter.

I am sympathetic to the concerns of Nth Queenslanders, but I don't believe that your own State is the answer. There needs to be more decentralization toward the States and local councils. Maybe you could think about having the State government decentralize more responsibilities toward to local councils in Nth Qld?

The various state governments tried a bit of decentralisation and failed.

The north will only prosper when we have true representation and a government that gives a sh1t about the people, not some self serving deadsh1ts who gold plate one small corner of the state.

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Reply #23 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 12:55pm

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 12:13pm:

Auggie wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 11:29am:

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 8:41am:

miketrees wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 7:49am:

How about we saw off Northern Australia and make a state of that.

How's about fkken no?

How about you southerners stop dictating your pig ignorant opinions to the north?

If the NT wants to be part of SA or even their own state then fine they are happy as they are then so be it.

Same applies to North Queensland for that matter.

I am sympathetic to the concerns of Nth Queenslanders, but I don't believe that your own State is the answer. There needs to be more decentralization toward the States and local councils. Maybe you could think about having the State government decentralize more responsibilities toward to local councils in Nth Qld?

The various state governments tried a bit of decentralisation and failed.

The north will only prosper when we have true representation and a government that gives a sh1t about the people, not some self serving deadsh1ts who gold plate one small corner of the state.

I'll promise to ensure decentralization to Nth Qld and give them special status. I'll also create a Regional Council chamber in the Parliament to represent all regions in Qld. They will be elected directly by the people and must cast a vote as one bloc on behalf of the region.

Can I count on your vote?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131551 Gender:	Re: Return to SA? Reply #24 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 1:01pm Can't we just give the NT to someone else? Indonesia, maybe?
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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Return to SA? Reply #25 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 2:10pm greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 1:01pm: Can't we just give the NT to someone else? Indonesia, maybe? Why?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131551 Gender:	Re: Return to SA? Reply #26 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 2:38pm Auggie wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 2:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 1:01pm: Can't we just give the NT to someone else? Indonesia, maybe? Why? It's a bit of an embarrassment to the rest of the country, don't you think?
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Reply #27 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 3:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 2:38pm:

Auggie wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 2:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 1:01pm:

Can't we just give the NT to someone else?

Indonesia, maybe?

Undecided

Why?

It's a bit of an embarrassment to the rest of the country, don't you think?

Not at all. You know, NT used to belong to South Australia, which at the time was the most enlightened State in the Commonwealth. The first telegraph line in Australia was built in SA and ran through NT and connected the rest of the empire. It, along with SA, was enlightened.

That changed when the SA government surrendered NT to the Commonwealth - biggest mistake SA ever made; SA should've never given it up. It is rightfully SA's.

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Reply #28 - Dec 4^th, 2017 at 7:51pm

I can see where BigOL64 is coming from. Talk of Queensland splitting into two is being taken seriously. There are other parts of Australia that could go it alone by themselves. While others would suffer as they would be less self sufficient.
So which way to go? Make Australia into One Nation?
Or slice it all up into smaller more compact States?

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Reply #29 - Dec 5^th, 2017 at 12:00pm

Vulcan wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 7:51pm:

I can see where BigOL64 is coming from. Talk of Queensland splitting into two is being taken seriously. There are other parts of Australia that could go it alone by themselves. While others would suffer as they would be less self sufficient.
So which way to go? Make Australia into One Nation?
Or slice it all up into smaller more compact States?

The issue is, Vulcan, that the more States we have, the more politicians in Canberra we need to have. The Senate has be at least half the size of the House of Reps, according to the Constitution, so 12 senators for each new State would put the Senate at more than 100 senators, and more than 200 members of the House of Representatives. This would just simply give more power to Canberra at the expense of the States.

Unless of course, we're willing to amend the Constitution to remove the so-called 'nexus' which was tried in 1970s. But, I don't think the people would want that.

This is the issue with having more States. What is the better option, given our unique Constitution, is to have greater decentralisation within the existing States.

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