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Oct 1^st, 2016 at 12:29pm

Suicide attempts, overdoses at Star Casino among reasons for 173 ambulance calls a year, FOI documents show

Ambulances have been called to the Star Casino in Sydney 173 times a year on average since 2011, with suicide attempts and overdoses among the most common reasons, freedom of information (FOI) documents show.

The data, obtained by ABC News from NSW Ambulance, shows in the past five years, paramedics were dispatched to the casino 48 times for abnormal and psychiatric behaviour, including attempted suicide, and 117 times for overdose or poisoning by ingestion.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-01/suicide-attempts-at-casino-as-gamblers-'en...

If personal responsibility for behaviour is the reason to ignore all the dangers for the gambler, and their family, and the wider community, should the same perimeters be applied to drug taking.

Legalise all drugs and reap the taxes, same as the government does for gambling.

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Gambling Verses Legalising Illicit Drugs Reply #1 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 2:13pm agreed. Prohibition has failed, its about harm minimisation now. As usual we are 20 years behind the US, they are moving towards legalisation now, its inevitable, we just dont have the resources and never will. Canada realised the futility of prosecuting marijuana users decades ago.
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Gambling Verses Legalising Illicit Drugs Reply #2 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:39pm Is it really so simple? Should all drugs be legal in Aboriginal communities?
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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Gambling Verses Legalising Illicit Drugs Reply #3 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:51pm Treating adults as children, don't believe it's a long term solution Are aboriginals already accessing illicit drugs? Perhaps illicit drug use is a part of the reasons for the extreme rates of Aboriginal incarceration.
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Reply #4 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:56pm

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Treating adults as children, don't believe it's a long term solution

Are aboriginals already accessing illicit drugs?
Perhaps illicit drug use is a part of the reasons for the extreme rates of Aboriginal incarceration.

Not at all. The reason is because they broke the law.

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Reply #5 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:59pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:56pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Treating adults as children, don't believe it's a long term solution

Are aboriginals already accessing illicit drugs?
Perhaps illicit drug use is a part of the reasons for the extreme rates of Aboriginal incarceration.

Not at all. The reason is because they broke the law.

Statics would suggest that racial profiling is influencing the extreme rate.

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Reply #6 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:00pm

Injected drug use rise linked to Hep C, HIV infections in Indigenous Australians, new research says

New research has linked a rise in Indigenous Australians injecting drugs and concerning rate of Hepatitis C and HIV.

Australian Health and Medical Research Institute (SAHMRI) associate professor James Ward has found a higher prevalence of injected drug use in Aboriginal populations, compared to non-Aboriginal populations.

Professor Ward estimated between 5 and 10 per cent of Aboriginal people have injected drugs, compared to 2 per cent of non-Aboriginal people.

He said the rate of hepatitis C was three times that of non-Aboriginal Australians, where it has "plateaued".

"People may have an ubiquitous view that you are going to get hepatitis C if you are injecting anyway.
Professor James Ward, Australian Health and Medical Research Institute
The research also showed the number of Aboriginal people accessing needle syringe programs has jumped from 5 to 14 per cent over the past two decades.

"That is good news on one side, that a large number of Aboriginal people are accessing needles through syringe programs," Professor Ward said.

"But something is going wrong after people collect the equipment.

"They are sharing with bigger groups...they are sharing with extended family.

"People may have an ubiquitous view that you are going to get Hepatitis C if you are injecting anyway.

"We have heard that anecdotally around the traps."

Indigenous Australians reported injecting illicit drugs with extended family members at five times the rate of non-Indigenous people.

Professor Ward said the most commonly-injected drug was methamphetamine.

He said the community needed innovative, prevention-focused programs to target young Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people.

"We need further investments and continued efforts around primary prevention," Professor Ward said.

"While there is a contraction of drug and alcohol services in Australia in terms of funding and resourcing, we have got an expansion of injecting in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities.

"I think we really need to bite the bullet and go for a fairly big investment, so that people are not turned away when they do want to seek treatment for drug and alcohol services, as is often the case now."

Professor Ward will present the findings at a drug and alcohol conference in Perth today.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-10/rise-in-indigenous-australians-injecting-d...

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Reply #7 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:02pm

SUGGESTION;

People convicted of drink driving [just once!], shouldn't be allowed to vote for LAWMAKERS [for the rest of their life!].

People convicted of taking illicit psychotropic drugs [just once!], shouldn't be allowed to vote for LAWMAKERS [for the rest of their life!].

People who it can be proved have a serious gambling addiction, shouldn't be allowed to vote for LAWMAKERS [for the rest of their life!].

SUGGESTION;

Let people [i.e. everyone] have the freedom to choose how they want to live their lives.

Make them responsible for the consequences of their choices.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #8 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:11pm

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Treating adults as children, don't believe it's a long term solution

Are aboriginals already accessing illicit drugs?
Perhaps illicit drug use is a part of the reasons for the extreme rates of Aboriginal incarceration.

Yes you are right. The big problem amongst young urban aboriginals is meth, not alcohol.

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Gambling Verses Legalising Illicit Drugs Reply #9 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:12pm issuevoter wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:39pm: Is it really so simple? Should all drugs be legal in Aboriginal communities? Keeping drugs illegal makes the trafficking of them worth big money.
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Reply #10 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:13pm

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:56pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Treating adults as children, don't believe it's a long term solution

Are aboriginals already accessing illicit drugs?
Perhaps illicit drug use is a part of the reasons for the extreme rates of Aboriginal incarceration.

Not at all. The reason is because they broke the law.

Statics would suggest that racial profiling is influencing the extreme rate.

No, statistics dont reflect that at all. Aboriginals are more likely to be imprisioned because they are more likely to break the law.

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Reply #11 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:31pm

rhino wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:13pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:56pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Treating adults as children, don't believe it's a long term solution

Are aboriginals already accessing illicit drugs?
Perhaps illicit drug use is a part of the reasons for the extreme rates of Aboriginal incarceration.

Not at all. The reason is because they broke the law.

Statics would suggest that racial profiling is influencing the extreme rate.

No, statistics dont reflect that at all. Aboriginals are more likely to be imprisioned because they are more likely to break the law.

A while back, living in Waterloo, I regularly used Redfern Station. The police constantly harassed me because of my Aboriginal looks. When Caucasian friends where with me, they were never harassed.
I was not breaking laws, I never reacted to the harassment, and I was never doing anything suspicious.

Obviously a constant statistical error, rather than racial profiling.

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Reply #12 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:41pm

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:56pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Treating adults as children, don't believe it's a long term solution

Are aboriginals already accessing illicit drugs?
Perhaps illicit drug use is a part of the reasons for the extreme rates of Aboriginal incarceration.

Not at all. The reason is because they broke the law.

Statics would suggest that racial profiling is influencing the extreme rate.

So are you saying that the cops shouldn't charge aborigines for crimes committed because it makes the stats look bad?? Cheesy

Cheesy

Cheesy

If a cop get a call of a crime committed the perp gets arrested. Fullstop.

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Reply #13 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:43pm

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:31pm:

rhino wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:13pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:56pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Treating adults as children, don't believe it's a long term solution

Are aboriginals already accessing illicit drugs?
Perhaps illicit drug use is a part of the reasons for the extreme rates of Aboriginal incarceration.

Not at all. The reason is because they broke the law.

Statics would suggest that racial profiling is influencing the extreme rate.

No, statistics dont reflect that at all. Aboriginals are more likely to be imprisioned because they are more likely to break the law.

A while back, living in Waterloo, I regularly used Redfern Station. The police constantly harassed me because of my Aboriginal looks. When Caucasian friends where with me, they were never harassed.
I was not breaking laws, I never reacted to the harassment, and I was never doing anything suspicious.

Obviously a constant statistical error, rather than racial profiling.

I've been harassed by the cops about 10 times in my life and I'm white with blonde hair. Not everything is racial you know.

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Reply #14 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:46pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:41pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:56pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Treating adults as children, don't believe it's a long term solution

Are aboriginals already accessing illicit drugs?
Perhaps illicit drug use is a part of the reasons for the extreme rates of Aboriginal incarceration.

Not at all. The reason is because they broke the law.

Statics would suggest that racial profiling is influencing the extreme rate.

So are you saying that the cops shouldn't charge aborigines for crimes committed because it makes the stats look bad?? Cheesy

Cheesy

Cheesy

If a cop get a call of a crime committed the perp gets arrested. Fullstop.

I didn't say that.
Perhaps the judicial system should police the rest of society with the same vigour they apply to people of a certain look.

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Reply #15 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:51pm

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:46pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:41pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:56pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Treating adults as children, don't believe it's a long term solution

Are aboriginals already accessing illicit drugs?
Perhaps illicit drug use is a part of the reasons for the extreme rates of Aboriginal incarceration.

Not at all. The reason is because they broke the law.

Statics would suggest that racial profiling is influencing the extreme rate.

So are you saying that the cops shouldn't charge aborigines for crimes committed because it makes the stats look bad?? Cheesy

Cheesy

Cheesy

If a cop get a call of a crime committed the perp gets arrested. Fullstop.

I didn't say that.
Perhaps the judicial system should police the rest of society with the same vigour they apply to people of a certain look.

Maybe the rest of society isn't as out of control as many aboriginal communities ? You have this idea in your head that the cops prowl around aboriginal suburbs randomly picking people up. It mostly doesn't work like that. They get a call from a member of the public and then they respond. That's how it works. The calls come from black communities, white communities, every community.

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Reply #16 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:51pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:43pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:31pm:

rhino wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:13pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:56pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Treating adults as children, don't believe it's a long term solution

Are aboriginals already accessing illicit drugs?
Perhaps illicit drug use is a part of the reasons for the extreme rates of Aboriginal incarceration.

Not at all. The reason is because they broke the law.

Statics would suggest that racial profiling is influencing the extreme rate.

No, statistics dont reflect that at all. Aboriginals are more likely to be imprisioned because they are more likely to break the law.

A while back, living in Waterloo, I regularly used Redfern Station. The police constantly harassed me because of my Aboriginal looks. When Caucasian friends where with me, they were never harassed.
I was not breaking laws, I never reacted to the harassment, and I was never doing anything suspicious.

Obviously a constant statistical error, rather than racial profiling.

I've been harassed by the cops about 10 times in my life and I'm white with blonde hair. Not everything is racial you know.

Yes I know.
The children locked in the cells in Don Dale were tear gassed because they were breaking the law, and not because of skin colour.

Theres no racism in Australia.
And there is not racial profiling going on.

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Reply #17 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:53pm

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:51pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:43pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:31pm:

rhino wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:13pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:56pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Treating adults as children, don't believe it's a long term solution

Are aboriginals already accessing illicit drugs?
Perhaps illicit drug use is a part of the reasons for the extreme rates of Aboriginal incarceration.

Not at all. The reason is because they broke the law.

Statics would suggest that racial profiling is influencing the extreme rate.

No, statistics dont reflect that at all. Aboriginals are more likely to be imprisioned because they are more likely to break the law.

A while back, living in Waterloo, I regularly used Redfern Station. The police constantly harassed me because of my Aboriginal looks. When Caucasian friends where with me, they were never harassed.
I was not breaking laws, I never reacted to the harassment, and I was never doing anything suspicious.

Obviously a constant statistical error, rather than racial profiling.

I've been harassed by the cops about 10 times in my life and I'm white with blonde hair. Not everything is racial you know.

Yes I know.
The children locked in the cells in Don Dale were tear gassed because they were breaking the law, and not because of skin colour.

Theres no racism in Australia.
And there is not racial profiling going on.

I'd expect to get tear gassed if I was throwing on a riot in juvenile detention. White people get tear gassed in jail too you know.

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Reply #18 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:55pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:51pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:46pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:41pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:56pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Treating adults as children, don't believe it's a long term solution

Are aboriginals already accessing illicit drugs?
Perhaps illicit drug use is a part of the reasons for the extreme rates of Aboriginal incarceration.

Not at all. The reason is because they broke the law.

Statics would suggest that racial profiling is influencing the extreme rate.

So are you saying that the cops shouldn't charge aborigines for crimes committed because it makes the stats look bad?? Cheesy

Cheesy

Cheesy

If a cop get a call of a crime committed the perp gets arrested. Fullstop.

I didn't say that.
Perhaps the judicial system should police the rest of society with the same vigour they apply to people of a certain look.

Maybe the rest of society isn't as out of control as many aboriginal communities ? You have this idea in your head that the cops prowl around aboriginal suburbs randomly picking people up. It mostly doesn't work like that. They get a call from a member of the public and then they respond. That's how it works. The calls come from black communities, white communities, every community.

So if the parent of a blue eyed caucasian law breaker was a friend of a friend, the outcome would be same as an aboriginal without their parents having the same social network?

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Reply #19 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:57pm

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:55pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:51pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:46pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:41pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:56pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Treating adults as children, don't believe it's a long term solution

Are aboriginals already accessing illicit drugs?
Perhaps illicit drug use is a part of the reasons for the extreme rates of Aboriginal incarceration.

Not at all. The reason is because they broke the law.

Statics would suggest that racial profiling is influencing the extreme rate.

So are you saying that the cops shouldn't charge aborigines for crimes committed because it makes the stats look bad?? Cheesy

Cheesy

Cheesy

If a cop get a call of a crime committed the perp gets arrested. Fullstop.

I didn't say that.
Perhaps the judicial system should police the rest of society with the same vigour they apply to people of a certain look.

Maybe the rest of society isn't as out of control as many aboriginal communities ? You have this idea in your head that the cops prowl around aboriginal suburbs randomly picking people up. It mostly doesn't work like that. They get a call from a member of the public and then they respond. That's how it works. The calls come from black communities, white communities, every community.

So if the parent of a blue eyed caucasian law breaker was a friend of a friend, the outcome would be same as an aboriginal without their parents having the same social network?

So are you saying cops let people off because of who they know??? Never heard of that before. Maybe that applies to rich people. I've never heard of that happening to anybody I know.

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Reply #20 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:59pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:53pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:51pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:43pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:31pm:

rhino wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:13pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:56pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Treating adults as children, don't believe it's a long term solution

Are aboriginals already accessing illicit drugs?
Perhaps illicit drug use is a part of the reasons for the extreme rates of Aboriginal incarceration.

Not at all. The reason is because they broke the law.

Statics would suggest that racial profiling is influencing the extreme rate.

No, statistics dont reflect that at all. Aboriginals are more likely to be imprisioned because they are more likely to break the law.

A while back, living in Waterloo, I regularly used Redfern Station. The police constantly harassed me because of my Aboriginal looks. When Caucasian friends where with me, they were never harassed.
I was not breaking laws, I never reacted to the harassment, and I was never doing anything suspicious.

Obviously a constant statistical error, rather than racial profiling.

I've been harassed by the cops about 10 times in my life and I'm white with blonde hair. Not everything is racial you know.

Yes I know.
The children locked in the cells in Don Dale were tear gassed because they were breaking the law, and not because of skin colour.

Theres no racism in Australia.
And there is not racial profiling going on.

I'd expect to get tear gassed if I was throwing on a riot in juvenile detention. White people get tear gassed in jail too you know.

Can you give evidence to show a similar situation, where non aboriginal kids were tear gassed, locked up in their cells.

and as we know, things like this happen to non aboriginals all the time :

Australian Aboriginal prisoner 'cooked to death' in van

Security guards failed to check on man who died travelling 250 miles in back of van in 47C heat

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jun/14/australia-aborigine-cooked-prison-...

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Reply #21 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 11:07pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:57pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:55pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:51pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:46pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:41pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:56pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Treating adults as children, don't believe it's a long term solution

Are aboriginals already accessing illicit drugs?
Perhaps illicit drug use is a part of the reasons for the extreme rates of Aboriginal incarceration.

Not at all. The reason is because they broke the law.

Statics would suggest that racial profiling is influencing the extreme rate.

So are you saying that the cops shouldn't charge aborigines for crimes committed because it makes the stats look bad?? Cheesy

Cheesy

Cheesy

If a cop get a call of a crime committed the perp gets arrested. Fullstop.

I didn't say that.
Perhaps the judicial system should police the rest of society with the same vigour they apply to people of a certain look.

Maybe the rest of society isn't as out of control as many aboriginal communities ? You have this idea in your head that the cops prowl around aboriginal suburbs randomly picking people up. It mostly doesn't work like that. They get a call from a member of the public and then they respond. That's how it works. The calls come from black communities, white communities, every community.

So if the parent of a blue eyed caucasian law breaker was a friend of a friend, the outcome would be same as an aboriginal without their parents having the same social network?

So are you saying cops let people off because of who they know??? Never heard of that before. Maybe that applies to rich people. I've never heard of that happening to anybody I know.

Human decisions are influenced by multiple inputs.
The more hated a group, the harder they are policed.
And there is the mob mentality within the police force.
Lone cops speak out about an injustice within, and they are attacked.

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Reply #22 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 11:08pm

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:53pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:51pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:43pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:31pm:

rhino wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:13pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:56pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Treating adults as children, don't believe it's a long term solution

Are aboriginals already accessing illicit drugs?
Perhaps illicit drug use is a part of the reasons for the extreme rates of Aboriginal incarceration.

Not at all. The reason is because they broke the law.

Statics would suggest that racial profiling is influencing the extreme rate.

No, statistics dont reflect that at all. Aboriginals are more likely to be imprisioned because they are more likely to break the law.

A while back, living in Waterloo, I regularly used Redfern Station. The police constantly harassed me because of my Aboriginal looks. When Caucasian friends where with me, they were never harassed.
I was not breaking laws, I never reacted to the harassment, and I was never doing anything suspicious.

Obviously a constant statistical error, rather than racial profiling.

I've been harassed by the cops about 10 times in my life and I'm white with blonde hair. Not everything is racial you know.

Yes I know.
The children locked in the cells in Don Dale were tear gassed because they were breaking the law, and not because of skin colour.

Theres no racism in Australia.
And there is not racial profiling going on.

I'd expect to get tear gassed if I was throwing on a riot in juvenile detention. White people get tear gassed in jail too you know.

Can you give evidence to show a similar situation, where non aboriginal kids were tear gassed, locked up in their cells.

and as we know, things like this happen to non aboriginals all the time :

Australian Aboriginal prisoner 'cooked to death' in van

Security guards failed to check on man who died travelling 250 miles in back of van in 47C heat

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jun/14/australia-aborigine-cooked-prison-...

So everything that happens in jail is the whiteman picking on the blackman? You have a victim mentality because you are black. Do break the law, go to jail and riot and you won't get tear gassed.

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Reply #23 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 11:10pm

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 11:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:57pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:55pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:51pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:46pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:41pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:56pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Treating adults as children, don't believe it's a long term solution

Are aboriginals already accessing illicit drugs?
Perhaps illicit drug use is a part of the reasons for the extreme rates of Aboriginal incarceration.

Not at all. The reason is because they broke the law.

Statics would suggest that racial profiling is influencing the extreme rate.

So are you saying that the cops shouldn't charge aborigines for crimes committed because it makes the stats look bad?? Cheesy

Cheesy

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If a cop get a call of a crime committed the perp gets arrested. Fullstop.

I didn't say that.
Perhaps the judicial system should police the rest of society with the same vigour they apply to people of a certain look.

Maybe the rest of society isn't as out of control as many aboriginal communities ? You have this idea in your head that the cops prowl around aboriginal suburbs randomly picking people up. It mostly doesn't work like that. They get a call from a member of the public and then they respond. That's how it works. The calls come from black communities, white communities, every community.

So if the parent of a blue eyed caucasian law breaker was a friend of a friend, the outcome would be same as an aboriginal without their parents having the same social network?

So are you saying cops let people off because of who they know??? Never heard of that before. Maybe that applies to rich people. I've never heard of that happening to anybody I know.

Human decisions are influenced by multiple inputs.
The more hated a group, the harder they are policed.
And there is the mob mentality within the police force.
Lone cops speak out about an injustice within, and they are attacked.

You are making this crap up. You don't know what you are talking about.

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Reply #24 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 11:19pm

Alpha male’ cop culture exposes AFP women to rape, bullying

An “alpha male” culture within the Australian Federal Police has allowed rape, sexual harassment and bullying to go unpunished within the organisation for years, prompting calls from Commissioner Andrew Colvin for victims to come forward so the alleged in-house criminals can be investigated.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/alpha-male-cop-culture-exposes-...

NSW Police officers caught trolling Greens MP Jenny Leong on Facebook with racist and sexist posts

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-police-officers-caught-trolling-greens-mp-jenny-le...

A magistrate has ruled NSW Police failed to follow the law in a recent case which saw a Sydney drag artist at the centre of alleged police harassment.

http://gaynewsnetwork.com.au/news/new-south-wales/drag-star-aaron-mnhattan-wins-...

Yeah, I'm making it up !

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Reply #25 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 11:21pm

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:31pm:

rhino wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:13pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:56pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Treating adults as children, don't believe it's a long term solution

Are aboriginals already accessing illicit drugs?
Perhaps illicit drug use is a part of the reasons for the extreme rates of Aboriginal incarceration.

Not at all. The reason is because they broke the law.

Statics would suggest that racial profiling is influencing the extreme rate.

No, statistics dont reflect that at all. Aboriginals are more likely to be imprisioned because they are more likely to break the law.

A while back, living in Waterloo, I regularly used Redfern Station. The police constantly harassed me because of my Aboriginal looks. When Caucasian friends where with me, they were never harassed.
I was not breaking laws, I never reacted to the harassment, and I was never doing anything suspicious.

Obviously a constant statistical error, rather than racial profiling.

But we are talking about incarceration, you werent incarcerated. Racially profiled because from experience the coppers know there are many more aboriginal offenders in redfern. You werent incarcerated because you werent an offender. see the way it works?

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Reply #26 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 11:25pm

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:59pm:

Can you give evidence to show a similar situation, where non aboriginal kids were tear gassed, locked up in their cells.

Sure I can. the Banksia juvenile detention centre riots in W.A.

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and as we know, things like this happen to non aboriginals all the time :

Australian Aboriginal prisoner 'cooked to death' in van

Security guards failed to check on man who died travelling 250 miles in back of van in 47C heat

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jun/14/australia-aborigine-cooked-prison-...

The reason this happened was because of negligence, the prisoner wasnt targeted because he was aboriginal. The fact is that aboriginals commit most of the crime in these areas so they are much more likely to be travelling in the back of a prison van.

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Reduce Indigenous incarceration rates? Not so fast
But while the suggestion by the Australian Bar Association to review mandatory sentencing laws for minor offences such as the practice of jailing fine defaulters is worthwhile, it is important to remember the reason why most Indigenous people are in jail in the first place.

In the push to lower Indigenous incarceration rates the real victims are often forgotten — people who are assaulted or even killed by their family members, like the woman whose partner set fire to her genitalia because she “looked at another man the wrong way”.

Abolishing mandatory sentencing for minor crimes is also unlikely to reduce the Indigenous incarceration rate as much as most people hope.

The belief that most Indigenous people are in jail because they have been unfairly targeted by police and arrested for relatively minor “social nuisance” offences is not true.

Data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics on prisoner characteristics shows that of the 9,885 indigenous prisoners in 2015, only 1,069 Indigenous prisoners were in jail for offences against justice procedures, such as non-payment of fines. Most (56 per cent) were in jail for serious crimes such as homicide, assault and sex offences.

As Indigenous lawyer and member of the Prime Minister’s Indigenous Advisory Council, Josephine Cashman, has pointed out, Indigenous family violence statistics are horrifying. Between 2012 and 2013, Indigenous women were hospitalised for family-violence assault at 34 times the rate of non-Indigenous women. Homicide rates for Indigenous people are also seven to eight times higher than the rate for non-Indigenous people.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/rendezview/reduce-indigenous-incarceration-rates-not-so-fast/news-story/8bd621664b1aeb471fab0e438b5dd644

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Reply #28 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 11:30pm

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The long history of Aboriginal violence — Part II

It is fashionable to excuse the current and appalling levels of Indigenous violence on dispossession and oppression, but the unpalatable truth is that it has been a feature of Aboriginal culture since long before the First Fleet
It is not polite to say that pre-contact Aboriginal society was abusive to women and generally violent. This would undercut the long-standing official view that current violence in Aboriginal communities reflects colonial dispossession and on-going victimhood.

For example, a fact sheet from the federal government’s Closing the Gap Clearing House says that, as is typical for Indigenous populations elsewhere, Aboriginal disadvantage “is a consequence of the historical and continuing impact of colonialism and dispossession, which has left many (Aboriginals) impoverished, marginalised, discriminated against, in a state of poor physical and mental health, and with inequitable access to necessary public and private services.”[1]

Aboriginal lawyer Dr Hannah McGlade in “Our Greatest Challenge” similarly blames colonialism: “The linking of Aboriginal culture to family violence and child sexual assault diminishes the grave harm inflicted on Aboriginal people through colonialism…the way in which colonization systematically deprived Aboriginal people of basic human rights.”[2] But feminist author Stephanie Jarrett, in her introduction to “Liberating Aboriginal People from Violence, says, “It is important to acknowledge [the] link between today’s Aboriginal violence and violent, pre-contact tradition, because until policymakers are honest in their assessment of the causes, Aboriginal people can never be liberated from violence…Deep cultural change is necessary, away from traditional norms and practices of violence.”

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/bennelong-papers/2013/05/the-long-bloody-history
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Reply #29 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 11:34pm

Aboriginal people need to start taking personal responsibility and stop the refrain of "its because Im black". There are many dark skinned migrants to this country who become immensely successful, in fact is the norm for coloured people to succeed in Australia, racism based on skin colour is almost non existent compared to to other western and non westernised countries.

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Reply #30 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 11:41pm

rhino wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 11:21pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:31pm:

rhino wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:13pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:59pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:56pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Treating adults as children, don't believe it's a long term solution

Are aboriginals already accessing illicit drugs?
Perhaps illicit drug use is a part of the reasons for the extreme rates of Aboriginal incarceration.

Not at all. The reason is because they broke the law.

Statics would suggest that racial profiling is influencing the extreme rate.

No, statistics dont reflect that at all. Aboriginals are more likely to be imprisioned because they are more likely to break the law.

A while back, living in Waterloo, I regularly used Redfern Station. The police constantly harassed me because of my Aboriginal looks. When Caucasian friends where with me, they were never harassed.
I was not breaking laws, I never reacted to the harassment, and I was never doing anything suspicious.

Obviously a constant statistical error, rather than racial profiling.

But we are talking about incarceration, you werent incarcerated. Racially profiled because from experience the coppers know there are many more aboriginal offenders in redfern. You werent incarcerated because you werent an offender. see the way it works?

That's a circular argument. If you racial profile, there has to be a higher incarceration rate because of that racial profiling.

I didn't react because I already had heard of the racism within the police at Redfern.

Like the aboriginal child the Police chased in Waterloo and the kid ended up being impaled because of the chase. Then the police denied chasing and so the Block erupted because of the police lie.
More aboriginals to jail because they broke the law aye !

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Reply #31 - Oct 1^st, 2016 at 11:48pm

rhino wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 11:25pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:59pm:

Can you give evidence to show a similar situation, where non aboriginal kids were tear gassed, locked up in their cells.

Sure I can. the Banksia juvenile detention centre riots in W.A.

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and as we know, things like this happen to non aboriginals all the time :

Australian Aboriginal prisoner 'cooked to death' in van

Security guards failed to check on man who died travelling 250 miles in back of van in 47C heat

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jun/14/australia-aborigine-cooked-prison-...

The reason this happened was because of negligence, the prisoner wasnt targeted because he was aboriginal. The fact is that aboriginals commit most of the crime in these areas so they are much more likely to be travelling in the back of a prison van.

There is no fact that Aboriginals commit most of the crime. Most of those incarcerated are Aboriginal. Not all crime is policed in the same way.

Crime rates don't include those that are not caught or not prosecuted.. And do include those that get framed for crimes they don't commit.

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Reply #32 - Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 12:06am

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 11:48pm:

rhino wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 11:25pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:59pm:

Can you give evidence to show a similar situation, where non aboriginal kids were tear gassed, locked up in their cells.

Sure I can. the Banksia juvenile detention centre riots in W.A.

Quote:

and as we know, things like this happen to non aboriginals all the time :

Australian Aboriginal prisoner 'cooked to death' in van

Security guards failed to check on man who died travelling 250 miles in back of van in 47C heat

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jun/14/australia-aborigine-cooked-prison-...

The reason this happened was because of negligence, the prisoner wasnt targeted because he was aboriginal. The fact is that aboriginals commit most of the crime in these areas so they are much more likely to be travelling in the back of a prison van.

There is no fact that Aboriginals commit most of the crime. Most of those incarcerated are Aboriginal. Not all crime is policed in the same way.

Crime rates don't include those that are not caught or not prosecuted.. And do include those that get framed for crimes they don't commit.

You are posting on emotion and make no sense. There is no evidence that aboriginal people are being targeted simply because they are aboriginal and they do commit most of the crime in northern areas of W.A. Thats just a fact. Claiming that they are somehow "framed" is ridiculous. aboriginal people need to start taking responsibility, violence is culturally endemic in their communities.

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Reply #33 - Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 12:09am

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That's a circular argument. If you racial profile, there has to be a higher incarceration rate because of that racial profiling.

The higher incarceration rate is because of the higher crime rate. Coppers racially profile because it works. No ones setting anyone up. You just need to admit the facts here, Aboriginals crime rate is through the roof compared to other groups, they arent being picked on.

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Reply #34 - Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 5:54am

rhino wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 12:06am:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 11:48pm:

rhino wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 11:25pm:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 10:59pm:

Can you give evidence to show a similar situation, where non aboriginal kids were tear gassed, locked up in their cells.

Sure I can. the Banksia juvenile detention centre riots in W.A.

Quote:

and as we know, things like this happen to non aboriginals all the time :

Australian Aboriginal prisoner 'cooked to death' in van

Security guards failed to check on man who died travelling 250 miles in back of van in 47C heat

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jun/14/australia-aborigine-cooked-prison-...

The reason this happened was because of negligence, the prisoner wasnt targeted because he was aboriginal. The fact is that aboriginals commit most of the crime in these areas so they are much more likely to be travelling in the back of a prison van.

There is no fact that Aboriginals commit most of the crime. Most of those incarcerated are Aboriginal. Not all crime is policed in the same way.

Crime rates don't include those that are not caught or not prosecuted.. And do include those that get framed for crimes they don't commit.

You are posting on emotion and make no sense. There is no evidence that aboriginal people are being targeted simply because they are aboriginal and they do commit most of the crime in northern areas of W.A. Thats just a fact. Claiming that they are somehow "framed" is ridiculous. aboriginal people need to start taking responsibility, violence is culturally endemic in their communities.

Wasn't aware we were only speaking about a region within one state.

Aboriginal prison rates

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people are massively overrepresented in the criminal justice system of Australia.
Aboriginal people represent only 3% of the total population, yet more than 28% of Australia’s prison population are Aboriginal.

28% Percentage of Aboriginal prisoners in Australia in 2015 [46].

30% Percentage of all incarcerated women in Australia who were Aboriginal in 2010; of incarcerated men: 24% [24].

48% Percentage of juveniles in custody who are Aboriginal [32].

58.6% Percentage by which imprisonment rates increased for Aboriginal women between 2000 and 2010; for Aboriginal men: 35.2%, non-Aboriginal women: 22.4%, non-Aboriginal men: 3.6% [24].

14.8 Factor by which Aboriginal people across Australia are more likely to be imprisoned than non-Aboriginal people [34]. Same figure for WA: 20 times.

6.7% Incarceration rate of Aboriginal men in Western Australia in 2008. Same rate for Aboriginal women: 0.6%; for African-American women in the US: 0.5% [33].

https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/law/aboriginal-prison-rates

This is not down to being born Aboriginal and so being born a criminal.

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Reply #35 - Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 6:04am

rhino wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 12:09am:

____ wrote on Oct 1^st, 2016 at 11:41pm:

That's a circular argument. If you racial profile, there has to be a higher incarceration rate because of that racial profiling.

The higher incarceration rate is because of the higher crime rate. Coppers racially profile because it works. No ones setting anyone up. You just need to admit the facts here, Aboriginals crime rate is through the roof compared to other groups, they arent being picked on.

Victoria Police admits racial profiling a problem

The Chief Commissioner of Victoria Police Ken Lay had maintained racial profiling wasn't a problem.

But community feedback for the review has changed his mind.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-31/victoria-police-admits-racial-profiling-a-...

So we all agree, racial profiling is alive and occurring.

Yet only one person here thinks it's ok. Why is that Rhino?

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Reply #36 - Oct 2^nd, 2016 at 10:11am

I think the time has come to sought out the drug use problem, and any other contentious issues.

Lets cut all funding to Tasmania and let that state legalise everything.

Pretty much you can do what you like down there,,, but dont expect the rest of society pay for it.

Lets see how a society can operate with no rules.

I see this as a win win.

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