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Reply #45 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:19pm  
John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 1:17pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 10:48am:
John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 10:06am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 10:02am:
Or, this may sound outrageous, maintain their own base load power   Smiley Smiley



are you calling for the govt. to take control and run the old coal generators? that's socialism



If that's what it takes to knock the bullsh1t renewable power on the head so they have their own base load power then so be it.

This delusion that Australian renewables can solve the worlds co2 problem; it solves nothing and only causes energy problems for the fools who do it.



so you're anti socialism, except for when it suits your agenda ....  Grin Grin Grin

a man of integrity  Cheesy



Im always anti-dumbfkk socialist. how is wanting reliable base load power pro-dumbfkk socialists?

That is one typical dumbfkk socialist statement you made there, numpty.  Grin Grin
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Reply #46 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:30pm  
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:19pm:
how is wanting reliable base load power pro-dumbfkk socialists?



I asked

'are you calling for the govt. to take control and run the old coal generators? that's socialism'

you replied,

'If that's what it takes'


WOW, you must be one of those SOCIALIST scum you go on raving rants about all the time
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Reply #47 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:43pm  
John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:30pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:19pm:
how is wanting reliable base load power pro-dumbfkk socialists?



I asked

'are you calling for the govt. to take control and run the old coal generators? that's socialism'

you replied,

'If that's what it takes'


WOW, you must be one of those SOCIALIST scum you go on raving rants about all the time



So my not caring that once again the state government runs the power companies just like they did only a few short years ago if it guarantees reliable energy, make me a friggen socialist.

You are a a rolled gold cretin my friend; it does nothing of the sort.


Not wanting useless renewable energy instead of reliable base load power does not make a person a socialist you clown, in fact it is probably the opposite.  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #48 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:51pm  
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:43pm:
So my not caring that once again the state government runs the power companies just like they did only a few short years ago if it guarantees reliable energy, make me a friggen socialist.



no, you calling for govt. to take control of what is currently a private enterprise, that makes you a socialist.
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Reply #49 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:55pm  
Gordon wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 8:27am:
Monster storm takes out the power.   Not really anything to do with generation method.


you are missing the salient point. The storm sidelined ALL the windpower generators leaving the entire state dependant on just one transmission infrastucture - which blew over.

Also, the largest power generator at Pt Augusta could have been supplying virtually the entire state except it closed this year because of excessive subsidies to renewable energy. On many levels, the head-long rush to R/E has reduced the reliabilty of the SA power grid massively which giving us the highest prices in the western world.

thanks for nothing!
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Reply #50 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:57pm  
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:55pm:
On many levels, the head-long rush to R/E has reduced the reliabilty of the SA power grid massively which giving us the highest prices in the western world..



the high prices are due to your reliance on GAS, a fossil fuel, not renewables.

On ewould think you'd at least get that bit right.
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Reply #51 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:58pm  
cods wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 9:04am:
Belgarion wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 8:57am:
Actually the windmills were not working because it was too windy.....therefore SA had to rely on power from Victoria generated by that nasty coal, and the privately maintained grid failed.  Now when there is a total shutdown power needs to be generated from zero. This is not possible with the windmills and so SA is reliant on power being supplied by coal to bring the power levels back to a point where the windmills can start generating again.

So, SAs expensive experiment with windmills has failed its first real test.



the WIND was too STRONG... so how does that work?>..

no one can control the wind......

theres me thinking mankind was much stronger and better than Mother Nature... after all its us thats the cause of GW... so we must be..


of course we are!..








If it is too windy, the turbines spin too fast and risk burning out the bearings an generators or even flying off the tower. Wind power can ONLY ever be an adjunct - not 40% like idiot Labor has inflicted on us.
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Reply #52 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:59pm  
____ wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 9:11am:
Can someone explain why wind turbines don't have gearing, so they can produce electricity in high wind?

http://www.windpowerengineering.com/design/mechanical/gearboxes/gears-gearboxes-...

Is it due to the stress?


Those blades are 64M in diameter. they are HUGE. too fast and they fly off or damage the tower. They are not dinky little fans.
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Reply #53 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 4:00pm  
John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:51pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:43pm:
So my not caring that once again the state government runs the power companies just like they did only a few short years ago if it guarantees reliable energy, make me a friggen socialist.



no, you calling for govt. to take control of what is currently a private enterprise, that makes you a socialist.



Based on the actions of when Ol' Joh when he smashed the spine of the electrical trades unions to ensure continued power in QLD and the ending of power strikes as the basis of my happiness Im fine to have the government to take control.

I don't give a fkk who controls the power so long as there is power; the point is the power not the fkking control you dolt!


Pro fkking power NOT pro-dumbfkk socialist ideology, comprende'?
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Reply #54 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 4:04pm  
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 10:02am:
John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 9:13am:
Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 9:09am:
Did I hear there are two interconnectors to Victoria, that both shut down due to the infrastructure damage by wind.



One was already off line and under repairs. It wasn't expected to be back online for another couple of months. The other ones safety feature shut it down to prevent an overload.

Maybe they need to look at putting in another, perhaps from a state other than Vic., to prevent a repeat.



Or, this may sound outrageous, maintain their own base load power   Smiley Smiley



And you hit the nail on the head. All we are doing is closing down power stations and subsidising crap windmills which cant operate in storms and are (I kid you not) limited by transmission problems to a MAXIMUM of 16% of maximum rated capacity.

About time we built a modern substantial gas-fired plant that will actually operate in storms or when Victorias brown-coal generators arent available to power us.
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Reply #55 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 4:08pm  
John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:57pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:55pm:
On many levels, the head-long rush to R/E has reduced the reliabilty of the SA power grid massively which giving us the highest prices in the western world..



the high prices are due to your reliance on GAS, a fossil fuel, not renewables.

On ewould think you'd at least get that bit right.


Would you like to find a SINGLE CREDIBLE person who claims that? Or is the fact that SA has by far the highest amount of R/E AND the highest power prices a mere con-incidence?

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Reply #56 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 4:30pm  
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 4:00pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:51pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:43pm:
So my not caring that once again the state government runs the power companies just like they did only a few short years ago if it guarantees reliable energy, make me a friggen socialist.



no, you calling for govt. to take control of what is currently a private enterprise, that makes you a socialist.



Based on the actions of when Ol' Joh when he smashed the spine of the electrical trades unions to ensure continued power in QLD and the ending of power strikes as the basis of my happiness Im fine to have the government to take control.

I don't give a fkk who controls the power so long as there is power; the point is the power not the fkking control you dolt!


Pro fkking power NOT pro-dumbfkk socialist ideology, comprende'?




no, the point is you are happy to act the socialist when it suits your agenda, and then call socialist scum when it doesn't.
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Reply #57 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 4:34pm  
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 4:08pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:57pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:55pm:
On many levels, the head-long rush to R/E has reduced the reliabilty of the SA power grid massively which giving us the highest prices in the western world..



the high prices are due to your reliance on GAS, a fossil fuel, not renewables.

On ewould think you'd at least get that bit right.


Would you like to find a SINGLE CREDIBLE person who claims that? Or is the fact that SA has by far the highest amount of R/E AND the highest power prices a mere con-incidence?

idiot.



No problem.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2016/south-australias-electricity-price-woes-are-more...

Unlike you I don't have a problem with providing links, because unlike you, I don't make crap up because it sounds good.
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Reply #58 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 6:11pm  
John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 4:34pm:
No problem.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2016/south-australias-electricity-price-woes-are-more...



From your link -

'Wind power

July is normally a windy month in SA. But it seems likely that this month’s total wind generation, while roughly the same as last July, will be much lower than in July 2014. The average price so far this month is about A$320, compared with about A$70 in May this year (when it was windier) and A$50 in July 2014.

Wholesale gas prices

Wholesale gas prices increased rapidly during May and June. It is generally agreed that this is due to increased demand for gas for the three export LNG plants in Queensland, which are now running at two thirds of full capacity.

Gas prices affect wholesale electricity prices mainly though their effect on the operating cost of open-cycle gas turbine (OCGT) generators. These smaller, fast-start generators are ideal for meeting demand spikes, but they are relatively expensive to run. As we have already seen, wholesale prices climbed in all NEM states during May and June, and there is little doubt that higher gas prices were the main driver.'

So wind is about the same as last year. Was demand up for any reason? Was the wind blowing at the time of peak demand?

The gas turbines can be run up quickly, but expensive to run. Were they required to run more often because wind was not available at peak times?


Of course we have all heard of The Conversation.
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Reply #59 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 6:33pm  
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 3:58pm:
cods wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 9:04am:
Belgarion wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 8:57am:
Actually the windmills were not working because it was too windy.....therefore SA had to rely on power from Victoria generated by that nasty coal, and the privately maintained grid failed.  Now when there is a total shutdown power needs to be generated from zero. This is not possible with the windmills and so SA is reliant on power being supplied by coal to bring the power levels back to a point where the windmills can start generating again.

So, SAs expensive experiment with windmills has failed its first real test.



the WIND was too STRONG... so how does that work?>..

no one can control the wind......

theres me thinking mankind was much stronger and better than Mother Nature... after all its us thats the cause of GW... so we must be..


of course we are!..








If it is too windy, the turbines spin too fast and risk burning out the bearings an generators or even flying off the tower. Wind power can ONLY ever be an adjunct - not 40% like idiot Labor has inflicted on us.



thank you for that info... the thing is .. why does it surprise anyone if this happened????>.

I dont get it..

I have long known Mother Nature can outdo mankind many times over.....her strength alone we have nothing to compare...

yet all we have been told for the past few years is renewable wind power is the only thing we NEED....

really?......

like most fools who rush in....the greens do not think outside the square....its all about votes and PANIC with them and it looks like S.A. fell for it.....

we have a long long way to go....before we ever.. if we ever. harness anything Mother Nature has given us...and make it perfectly viable....indestructible in other words....

lets ask the Greens what to do to see this never happens again...... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes I am sure they have the answer...
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