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Reply #30 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 10:15am
 
It was the major cables that toppled.  So, even if it was generated from coal power, it would still be cut. 

Oh come on, even a kindergarten kid knows this.
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Reply #31 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 10:20am
 
Cables don't topple

the towers that support them topple

grounding/shorting the cables  Roll Eyes
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Reply #32 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 10:48am
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 10:06am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 10:02am:
Or, this may sound outrageous, maintain their own base load power   Smiley Smiley



are you calling for the govt. to take control and run the old coal generators? that's socialism



If that's what it takes to knock the bullsh1t renewable power on the head so they have their own base load power then so be it.

This delusion that Australian renewables can solve the worlds co2 problem; it solves nothing and only causes energy problems for the fools who do it.

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Reply #33 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 10:50am
 
tickleandrose wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 10:15am:
It was the major cables that toppled.  So, even if it was generated from coal power, it would still be cut. 

Oh come on, even a kindergarten kid knows this. 



The power from victoria was cut and yes it was coal fired power; your point is lost somewhere along the way from confused to irrelevant.

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Reply #34 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 11:21am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 10:50am:
tickleandrose wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 10:15am:
It was the major cables that toppled.  So, even if it was generated from coal power, it would still be cut. 

Oh come on, even a kindergarten kid knows this. 



The power from victoria was cut and yes it was coal fired power; your point is lost somewhere along the way from confused to irrelevant.



It was in response to this quote from Mechanic

The Federal Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg and other MPs have raised questions about South Australia's increasing use of renewable energy in the wake of a state-wide blackout on Wednesday, despite assurances from the premier the switch to cleaner energy sources was not to blame

Which come across as if the blackout will not happen should the power was generated from coal.   However, I argue that the same thing will happen since the blackout was caused by toppling of towers carrying the cables.

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This delusion that Australian renewables can solve the worlds co2 problem; it solves nothing and only causes energy problems for the fools who do it.


At least you admit there is a world CO2 problem.   It is inevitable that in order for humans to advance to the next level of civilization, we will have to develop renewable energy sources and to mature it.  We are at an era of early watershed period of that transition.  Have a strong renewable industry ensures that we are upto date with newest technologies, keep skilled jobs in Australia, and this creates a healthy environment for innovation.
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Reply #35 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 12:27pm
 
____ wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 7:52am:
What of the two interconnectors with Victoria ... did renewables stop them?


the question you should be asking is

"why is South Australia buying power from other states?? "

they have lost control of their power output and are putting lives in danger with massive blackouts state wide shutting down medical devices..

bloody dickheads..  Angry
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Reply #36 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 12:31pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 8:57am:
Actually the windmills were not working because it was too windy.....therefore SA had to rely on power from Victoria generated by that nasty coal, and the privately maintained grid failed.  Now when there is a total shutdown power needs to be generated from zero. This is not possible with the windmills and so SA is reliant on power being supplied by coal to bring the power levels back to a point where the windmills can start generating again.

So, SAs expensive experiment with windmills has failed its first real test.


boom..

there it is...
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Reply #37 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 12:41pm
 
so now dickhead adam bandt is on the telle telling Australia they should move to renewable  fast..

put the foot to the floor..

just imagine if Victoria was on windmill power as well..

both South Australia and Victoria would have been shut down...

"maybe we should do this.. maybe we should do that"

this guy is a fair dinkum fwit...  Angry

and as far as I know.. South Australia also buys power of Queensland..

but think about this... one of Victoria's main power stations is shutting down next year..

but Premier Dan Andrew knows nothing about it...  Cheesy

Renewable Subsides are shutting down our base loads and putting thousands of people onto the Dole ...

fair dinkum...  Roll Eyes
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Reply #38 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 12:41pm
 
Effective wind speeds,wind turbines

...

http://www.wind-power-program.com/turbine_characteristics.htm

25metres/sec about 50 knots
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Reply #39 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 1:14pm
 
So in essence wind turbines don't work if there is no wind

and they shut down/don't work if there's anymore a bit of a breeze.

Waste of time & money.
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Reply #40 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 1:17pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 10:48am:
John Smith wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 10:06am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 10:02am:
Or, this may sound outrageous, maintain their own base load power   Smiley Smiley



are you calling for the govt. to take control and run the old coal generators? that's socialism



If that's what it takes to knock the bullsh1t renewable power on the head so they have their own base load power then so be it.

This delusion that Australian renewables can solve the worlds co2 problem; it solves nothing and only causes energy problems for the fools who do it.



so you're anti socialism, except for when it suits your agenda ....  Grin Grin Grin

a man of integrity  Cheesy
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Reply #41 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 1:19pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 12:27pm:
the question you should be asking is

"why is South Australia buying power from other states?? "



it always has
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Reply #42 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 1:20pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 12:41pm:
just imagine if Victoria was on windmill power as well..

both South Australia and Victoria would have been shut down...



why? are you claiming if Victoria was on wind power the transmission towers would have blown down in Victoria too?  Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #43 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 1:25pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 12:31pm:
Belgarion wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 8:57am:
Actually the windmills were not working because it was too windy.....therefore SA had to rely on power from Victoria generated by that nasty coal, and the privately maintained grid failed.  Now when there is a total shutdown power needs to be generated from zero. This is not possible with the windmills and so SA is reliant on power being supplied by coal to bring the power levels back to a point where the windmills can start generating again.

So, SAs expensive experiment with windmills has failed its first real test.


boom..

there it is...

No, you are as wrong as can be, as usual. Windpower was delivering megawatts until the towers toppled and the network was shut down to protect infrastructure:
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The thicker a poster is, and they do not get thicker and stupider than The Mechanic, the more garbage they spout.

What brought the network down was privatisation, new owners looking to make profits cut corners everywhere including the towers.
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Reply #44 - Sep 29th, 2016 at 1:28pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 1:25pm:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 12:31pm:
Belgarion wrote on Sep 29th, 2016 at 8:57am:
Actually the windmills were not working because it was too windy.....therefore SA had to rely on power from Victoria generated by that nasty coal, and the privately maintained grid failed.  Now when there is a total shutdown power needs to be generated from zero. This is not possible with the windmills and so SA is reliant on power being supplied by coal to bring the power levels back to a point where the windmills can start generating again.

So, SAs expensive experiment with windmills has failed its first real test.


boom..

there it is...

No, you are as wrong as can be, as usual. Windpower was delivering megawatts until the towers toppled and the network was shut down to protect infrastructure:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtcrBIFVYAACORi.jpg

The thicker a poster is, and they do not get thicker and stupider than The Mechanic, the more garbage they spout.

What brought the network down was privatisation, new owners looking to make profits cut corners everywhere including the towers.


No argument there.
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