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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Which was the earliest great invention? Sep 25^th, 2016 at 10:23am Was it the ability to make fire or was it the lever? I'd bet on the lever.
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #1 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 10:24am Or maybe it was the stone tool to chip flints.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72272 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #2 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 10:26am the wheel
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #3 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 10:27am I'd reckon the wheel came much much later.
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Unforgiven Gold Member Offline I have sinned Posts: 8879 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #4 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 10:36am Society. Without society there would have been no need for language and the other inventions would not have been invented.
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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6488 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #5 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 10:36am I am going with language
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #6 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 10:39am Define society. Is it the tribe, which I wouldn't class as an invention, or something bigger such as towns, which of course are a much later feature of the agricultural development. Anyway, I was thinking about inventions in terms of tools.
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Reply #7 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 10:55am

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 10:39am:

Define society. Is it the tribe, which I wouldn't class as an invention, or something bigger such as towns, which of course are a much later feature of the agricultural development.

Anyway, I was thinking about inventions in terms of tools.

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Reply #8 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 11:09am

The weapon - in two ways.

1. It fostered cooperation within the fledgling societal structures by it's ability to protect home and hearth. It probably also helped establish the first 'laws' within such societies when murder was committed by its use.

2. It changed primitive society from mere gatherers and scavengers to hunter-gatherers.

Thoughts?

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10322 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #9 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 11:17am A sand stone to trim finger/toe nails
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Reply #10 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 11:29am

society isn't an 'invention' .... it forms naturally where ever sufficient food supplies exist. It often started of as extended family, and if there are sufficient resources to sustain it, it will grow into a village, a town a city.

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 10:27am:

I'd reckon the wheel came much much later.

OK, then i'd have to go with fire.

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Reply #11 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 11:30am

Lionel Edriess wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 11:09am:

The weapon - in two ways.

1. It fostered cooperation within the fledgling societal structures by it's ability to protect home and hearth. It probably also helped establish the first 'laws' within such societies when murder was committed by its use.

2. It changed primitive society from mere gatherers and scavengers to hunter-gatherers.

Thoughts?

Good thought. What was the first weapon? A rock? A spear?
Funny (not ha ha) that it is probably the most prolific line of invention in human history.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72272 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #12 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 11:32am Lionel Edriess wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 11:09am: The weapon - in two ways. what weapon? ... early on rocks and sticks were used as weapons often because they were handy. No one invented them. They were later developed into spears, arrows etc with necessity.
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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10322 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #13 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 11:34am John Smith wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 11:29am: OK, then i'd have to go with fire God had the patent on fire You mean the tools to make fire
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #14 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 11:46am No, I'd think the understanding of how to make fire on demand and the tools to do it constitute invention.
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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10322 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #15 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 11:57am The Patent Office would only accept the tools for assessment Boges "A device to make fire" would be the title of your application
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #16 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 12:08pm So that would be two pieces of flint & a handful of straw. Or one long thin stick and one flat piece of wood.
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #17 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 12:10pm Great invention. Projectile weapons that killed food remotely. And of course the dog-whistle for calling the children in for dinner.
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Reply #18 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 1:01pm

The excuse, as in:-

"Sorry, tribe - we had that mastodon cornered but just at the wrong moment, the Gods intervened! Fasting is good for the soul, the shaman says."

or

"Me? Wasn't me, God - I never touched that apple - ADAM did it! And besides, it was that snake that told me it was all right... and I only had one little bite..."

or

"Wandering for forty years in a space as big as Sydney metro area? Not me - that damned Egyptian compass was wacky.. and besides.. some of the clowns I was stuck with insisted on lugging this huge golden calf... it had nothing to do with what was in those tablets... nothing..."

or

"Farked the economy? US? I was only the government mouthpiece - I didn't put the figures together, and you can blame the public service for that....look at the jobs we created... umm.. like...... Dole Queue Attendant..... Pitiful Supplicant for Some Income..... thousands of people in Chindia are now working.... we DID generate one hell of a lot of CEO and board member jobs through privatisation... that raised their standard of living! As a government, we were a GREAT success."

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #19 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 1:30pm Warning Warning! Disturbed Grappler at large. Approach with caution.
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bwood1946 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1598 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #20 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 1:38pm bogarde73 wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 1:30pm: Warning Warning! Disturbed Grappler at large. Approach with caution. Bogarde what a silly question. All the dumb $$@( on this board know it's the INTERNET
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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10322 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #21 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 2:03pm bogarde73 wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 1:30pm: Warning Warning! Disturbed Grappler at large. Approach with caution. Grapp has "Hillary" moments now and then
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #22 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 2:37pm All this started with me musing on the power of the lever in opening a tin. From there I jumped to a vision of cavemen atop a cliff levering a huge boulder to fall on a mastedon. That set me to ponder, was the lever the earliest great discovery.
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Reply #23 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 2:49pm

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 2:37pm:

All this started with me musing on the power of the lever in opening a tin. From there I jumped to a vision of cavemen atop a cliff levering a huge boulder to fall on a mastedon.
That set me to ponder, was the lever the earliest great discovery.

No.

The camouflaged mastodon pit was.

(Was that Baked Beans again for lunch, bogey?)

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Reply #24 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 3:52pm

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 1:30pm:

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I rather thought it was pretty funny myself...

I think you meant 'leverage', as in:-

"That snake promised me I'd get all the juicy bits if I just got Adam to pick that apple."

or

"Guys! I'm just down from the mountain! Now take these tablets and fer god's sake get rid of that golden calf...."

or

"Take this apple, Adam, and I promise you'll be the first President/PM/Mayor of Eden! Just a little donation there.. from the good ol' snake! I'm in tight with The Big Fella so you know it's kosher... and we can do business together... when you're the boss."

or

"Yum-Gak here reckons we mastodon hunters can do better if we get a slightly higher wage.... so we're not getting any mastodon steaks until it's all settled, right?"

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72272 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #25 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 4:04pm Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 11:34am: John Smith wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 11:29am: OK, then i'd have to go with fire God had the patent on fire You mean the tools to make fire that's the one
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Reply #26 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 6:03pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 11:32am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 11:09am:

The weapon - in two ways.

what weapon? ... early on rocks and sticks were used as weapons often because they were handy. No one invented them. They were later developed into spears, arrows etc with necessity.

All patents must cover a method, not an item. That is the nature of invention.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #27 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 6:11pm bogarde73 wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 10:27am: I'd reckon the wheel came much much later. Except for aboriginals. They STILL havent invented it.
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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6488 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #28 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 6:20pm Aboriginals invented the stick early on and its still used to this day. Hollow ones, bent ones, pointy ones. No need to invent anything else when you have the stick.
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Reply #29 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 6:25pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 6:11pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 10:27am:

I'd reckon the wheel came much much later.

Except for aboriginals. They STILL havent invented it.

That's nasty.

But then again, how many times in my 56 years in Australia have I had the "Poms only wash once a week" and all the variations on that shoved in my face?

So Raven, loosen up and don't take our little attempts at humour here so seriously.

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6488 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #30 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 6:27pm A wheel in ancient Australia may not have been a lot of use.
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #32 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 8:22pm miketrees wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 6:27pm: A wheel in ancient Australia may not have been a lot of use. A telescope would have been more useful.
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Reply #34 - Sep 26^th, 2016 at 1:49am

freediver wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 11:32am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 11:09am:

The weapon - in two ways.

what weapon? ... early on rocks and sticks were used as weapons often because they were handy. No one invented them. They were later developed into spears, arrows etc with necessity.

All patents must cover a method, not an item. That is the nature of invention.

Early Aboriginals used to throw a rock or spear and call out 'BANG' - then some tribal whiz invented the silencer and they just threw them...

Now that's inventiveness..... Ape Man's spear had the silencer fitted.... and even more importantly - the stealth features....

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Reply #37 - Sep 26^th, 2016 at 4:27am

The ability to make fire was what would have started it all. I would imagine that the discovery was made during lightning strikes or some form of combustion from natural occurrences. Then, humans would have found out how to make their own fire, probably by accident at first. Then, later, knowing what it took to spark that flame.

Lots of inventions would have consequently been founded as a result of such a cave man discovery. You can't imagine a society that could go without it, or work as a result of not having inventions that were inspired by the discovery of creating fire.

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Reply #38 - Sep 26^th, 2016 at 7:14am

I nominate the Housewife as having been the most important early invention.

It freed up the men to loiter and idle away their time until their next hunting expedition.

The invention of the Housewife saw all the work being done by the women after that time. Fetching water, cooking, carrying the loads between camps, fossicking for berries, nuts, and grubs ...

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Which was the earliest great invention? Reply #39 - Sep 26^th, 2016 at 7:44am miketrees wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 6:27pm: A wheel in ancient Australia may not have been a lot of use. I remember it didn't even get you far in the 1950s
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