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Reply #16 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 12:28pm

By the way, Bogarde's Theory No 167 postulates that Bismark's pension played a part in the outbreak of WW1.

Had the socialist movement in Germany, growling away since 1848, not been kept at bay by the social security measures, there may very well have been an overthrow of the autocracy in Germany well before 1914.
But of course the downside of that is that the Soviet block may have come into existence way before 1945.
But the upside of that is that there may have been no Hitler.

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Reply #17 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 1:04pm

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 10:26am:

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67% of a few hundred thousand radicals is one thing. A majority of votes in a population of 60 million is another thing altogether.

(**diverts** cunning yes?) So Malcolm found out at the last election....

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Reply #18 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 1:07pm

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 10:36am:

Probably most sensible, middle of the road Labour people wish he could. Certainly about 80% of Labour MPs don't want Corbyn.
He has captured the underclass who have infiltrated Labour, but as the French Revolution showed us, the mob are fickle.

Wow - the 'underclass'? Those who have the least to lose for the simple reason that they have the least? And the same 'underclass' who have the least say in actually fixing the things they know, from daily experience, are so deathly wrong with our form of society?

That filthy, unwashed rabble who know nothing, and if they ever were of any value, they'd have a lot more? THAT 'underclass'?

Or are we in reality talking about politicians as a whole (and a hole), who, by nature, definition, and action would be amongst the lowest classes in this world.....

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Reply #19 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 1:11pm

bogarde73 wrote on Sep 25^th, 2016 at 12:28pm:

By the way, Bogarde's Theory No 167 postulates that Bismark's pension played a part in the outbreak of WW1.

Had the socialist movement in Germany, growling away since 1848, not been kept at bay by the social security measures, there may very well have been an overthrow of the autocracy in Germany well before 1914.
But of course the downside of that is that the Soviet block may have come into existence way before 1945.
But the upside of that is that there may have been no Hitler.

As my accountant used to say - the only thing wrong with Communism is that the Russians had first go at it..........

Hitler was a National Socialist as opposed to an International Socialist.... the argument between Nazism and Sovietism was that Hitler was happy to only pursue German aims, some of which were so excellent they must needs be exported to the rest of the world, whereas Sovietism felt it was such an excellent form of government it must needs (like US capitalist democracy) be exported to the rest of the world.

Funny how that works

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Re: Owen Smith: a perfectly nondescript little fellow
Reply #20 - Sep 25^th, 2016 at 7:16pm

Owen Smith the Manchurian candidate.

Owen Smith the stooge candidate; the rat with its eye on the cheese. May as well have been appointed to the leadership challenge by Theresa May herself.

His appearance like that of an undertaker would have suited his role had he won Labor Party leadership because he would have presided over its extinction.

http://new-agenda2012.blogspot.com/2016/08/a-degree-of-hypocrisy-as-smith-accuse...

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Owen Smith, "The Stooge Candidate" (because nobody in PLP had the backbone to take on Corbyn themselves), has had the veil lifted from his eyes and realises what many of us in the Labour Party have been saying for years. The Conservative government and the ConDem coalition before them, are destroying the NHS with their programmes of cuts, closures and piecemeal privatisation.The Blair government started the process with PFI and the Conservatives have accelerated this smashing of a National Institution which they have despised since 1948.
Strangely, Smith (who was never Shadow Health Minister; another of Smith's distortions of truth), must have been aware of this breakup of the NHS for sometime, as he was once working for an organisation, closely associated with the vandalism, but has chosen to remain silent until now. This may be due of course to his leadership challenge, as he now sees the possibility of some advantage in condemning NHS privatisation and taking a sideswipe at Hunt and the conservatives. We may be excused for detecting a degree of hypocrisy in Smith's sudden conversion

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