President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 19^th, 2016 at 8:45pm:


Yes me!
What did you think of tonight so far?
I am so impressed and respect those forensic, sound, linguistic etc experts.
And the way they have recreated the Ramsey house? Wow.

This is about expertise, opening up a cold case, 20 years later.
And the blow to that little girls' head, the torch, how they reconstruct a 6 yr old head with hair, and ask a 10 year old to come in and do the demo of the torch being hit over the head.

The body language of the parents during a tv interview were a giveaway also.

I watched Dr. Phil do an interview of their son recently, (he was 10 yrs old at the time it happened) and he was smiling all throughout it, to which Dr. Phil thinks he is very socially awkward.

Well, tomorrow night shows us much more minute and expertise details, but I think I know already who did it.

And I see a photo of the parents, with their 10 year old son, hanging onto him with dear life.

I suppose that means, the son would have been declared mentally unstable or not fit to be in amongst people, had they been more truthful about what really happened.

A secret they are keeping to protect him coz he isn't the full quid? Then trying to fake the kidnapping?

Geez, the practice pads and pens with the same note paper in the house, all placed neatly back in place, the kidnapper supposedly wrote?i

was JonBenet's funeral open-casket? that would have given the mother a final chance to doll her up

Sophia wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 12:10am:


I find it great so far..

so many blunders though.. it makes you angry..

it was like testimony and other forensic people were kept out of it..

why???
whats going on here?

as for the pad and paper all neatly back in place etc... sounds like a person who doesn't like a "hair" out of place... ??

I can't pick how or why this poor little girl got murdered... but one things for sure.. they were all up to their neck in it... 

Marla, you are willing to say that about a suspect who has not confessed, has not been witnessed committing ANY part of the crime and without there being conclusive forensic evidence  connecting her with the crime. Patsy also didn't have any history of violence to her children or even a motive for that matter. Have you studied law to any extent?

The fact is, history is the best guide for an understanding of people's behavuour. Apart from your obvious dislike  of Patsy Ramsey and child beauty pageants in general, what is your basis for declaring her guilty?

Sophia wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 12:10am:



I didnt think that was smiling to be honest he looked as nervous as hell and when you think of how many people refused to talk to this show.. then you need to forgive this young man for daring to be ill at ease...he must have had a hell of a time this past 20 years...

we have so much more technology today  of course they will see and hear stuff... it was a cockup simply because they said it was a" kidnapping"..

I found the letter the biggest mystery....and I had forgotten they found mistakes surly the police would have dismissed it as their handwriting...... it would have to be the longest ransom demand note in history.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 9:51am:



You tell me.



Any mother who dresses up a six year-old kid like this is not attracting pedophiles?

Mother was in the house, she had motive and and the means.


So...

Just read the news .com.au article http://www.news.com.au/world/explosive-new-evidence-smashes-jonbenet-ramsey-murd...

And I have to say I'm still not convinced. The 911 operator said it sounded like something rehearsed? How would she know?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 10:14am:



We are talking about the Boulder Police Department here. While attending school at the University of Colorado I was stopped by a Boulder cop on a bike for (alleged) public drunkenness. He let me go moments later when he realized he had forgotten his citation book.

No, a incompetent one.

The campus police were more reliable than the Boulder Police Department - and this was years after JonBenet's death.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 10:23am:



Try to understand the city of Boulder itself:


The place is a insulated, pastoral college town full of the smugest, richest assholes one ever has the misfortune to come across. I could not wait to get the hell out of there. Last time I was in Boulder was 2009 and I have no plans to ever return there any time soon.

The police there deal mainly with rich kid college issues (whatever those are) and petty crimes. A brutal murder of a six year-old beauty pageant queen was something they never thought they would ever have to deal with. As a result, they contaminated evidence, poorly followed procedure on how to how a serious crime such as this and hoped that this crime would "all work itself out."

This whole case was a disaster from the start.

So...IT WAS THE MOTHER.

Sophia wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 10:35am:



Easy, gossip gets around.

Sophia wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 10:35am:


Also the other thing to be considered here is that he is a successful businessman so he would have had some dealing in legal circles before and gone to a default position. When in doubt, call your lawyer.

Marla wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 10:33am:


Oh there is the answer of how the father felt he could treat the police with disdain and think they were incompetent.
The true markings of a successful rich man with arrogance and no patience...thinks of the law as keystone cops in that secluded area they seem to know so well, and all the occupants therein....

I can't see how the mother did it, as the child was sexually assaulted?

Patsy did it. Look, there would be evidence if the Boulder Police didn't f- it up.

Sophia wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 10:44am:



1. Possibility of stress leading to them not remembering a key detail, happens constantly
2. Moving the childs body, again a normal fathers response to finding the body.

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 10:52am:


Well they didn't bring the parents in for any questioning.

So there's a blunder there.

And maybe, they were in awe of the Ramseys', having such a high profile, rich, powerful, knows everyone who's anyone?

Didn't the experts say that last night, because of that very fact?

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 10:52am:



Like I said, Boulder is such a rich liberal college town that the police reputation was to keep it that way. When I think of murder in this state well, east Denver but that's a given.

My theory is she was murdered by the mother while being molested by another at the same time in some sort of sick ritual fetish killing. Who that another was is the real mystery. Even when murders happen in small mountain towns where there is less evidence the police don't botch it up as badly as those in Boulder did.

Shame that Perry Mason is no longer around. He would have had this solved by the next commercial break.

Patsy who?

Or, more importantly, if he was even real to begin with.

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 10:57am:



They did but never charged them. When you're rich, you can have all the lawyers you want doing the talking.

Marla wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 11:07am:




What apart from those who say the available evidence implies innocence on behalf of the Ramseys? Notice that I've never said anyone is guilty, just people are innocent, you know the whole basis of the justice system.

Marla wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 11:07am:

Holy trinity of evidence; confession, eye witness testimony and collaborating  forensic evidence. Boulder Police had none of these. That's  why the Ramseys were never charged. Didn't  compel Boulder to broaden it's investigation, however.

issuevoter wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 11:23am:

I'd  put my hand on a stack of bibles that Pecker's never killed a kid; still would you invite him over for a barbie?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 11:19am:


It all goes back to Boulder itself. I can't describe it. You have to experience it for yourself to understand the feel of the place. I'm not saying that because of the usual college weirdness you find at most campuses. Boulder has a dull identity: in one you have the college which is well insulated and then you have the city itself which attracts a lot of people with a lot of money (the cost of living there is ridiculous).


They are the strange rich and the Ramseys were part of the upper Boulder-ish strange rich culture. Boulder seemed to be the ideal place for someone like Patsy Ramsey. There she could plan all of her bizarre beauty contest crap for little JonBenet and most likely be around people who participate in that kind of contest who are just as odd.

I say that because there is a lot about JonBenet's murder that makes no sense. Everything is so eccentric from the ransom note to the garrote. I can only surmise with how peculiar the rich in Boulder are this was some sort of a ritual killing. Although that does make it sound so conspiratorial. I don't know. Maybe it is. 

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 12:01pm:



No, not like that. Just strange rich. Most come from California (but that's another story) I really can't describe it. As cliche as it sounds, Boulder is something you have to experience. It's part of culture I could not handle.

Marla wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 11:50am:




Thats just f....ing stupid, her mum because welll... Boulder.

Did the experts try putting a child in those knots to see if they could get out of it?

Sophia wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 2:27pm:


Who knows?

For those who missed it last night

https://www.9now.com.au/the-case-of-jonbenet-ramsey/2016/episode-1

Agnes wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 2:47pm:


maybe bojack could watch some of this instead of making uninformed comments.. 

On again tonight after (yuk) The Block..... just saying...

I hate and detest this kind of thing, anything involving nasty work with kids revolts me - but I'll try to sit through it.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 8:17pm:


It has its moments.... but I'm tired of most of the 'reality' shows.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 8:17pm:

Darn, got suckered into watching The Block and now I am hooked after I said wasn't watching it anymore a couple of years ago. But I am in awe of all the bickering and stress, I just sit in my easy chair and remember how we renovated a house 10 years ago and the stress and extra expense, said 'never again!'
oops gotta go, the show has started!

I haven't watched the show but the whole thing was odd from the start.

Whether or not she was abused sexually she was certainly abused emotionally by being forced to be a child beauty queen.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 11:26am:


Prove it. And while you are at it, take a look at what the Ramseys did to their child while she was still around. Or haven't you thought about that?

Boulder is quite nice. I'd live there as well.

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Sep 20^th, 2016 at 8:52pm:


As Raven understands it a forensic pathologist on the show concluded that there was no evidence of sexual assault, there was some damage to the inside of her vagina but it was so slight that, in his opinion, was not the result of sexual assault. There was a small splinter of wood inside her however he concluded that it was transfer and not deliberately placed inside her.

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 21^st, 2016 at 2:06am:


yes.. that was the conclusion..

and a massive family cover up.. and you can be 100% sure of that...

they know the truth.. and they continue to cover it up to this day.. 

judging by what they had to say about the DIstrict Attorney everything about this case was wrong from the start..this young man [ Burke} has to live the rest of his life with this hanging over him...they never did explain the garrote  did that look like the work of a 9 year old? 

if he did it after she stole the pineapple.. how come the pineapple was half digested?......I personally didnt like the attitude of the experts they seemed to me to have made their collective minds up...because at the end of the day... it was/is all too hard.


Wheres "Columbo" when you need him?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 21^st, 2016 at 7:46am:



its mind blowing its been 20 years...

cods wrote on Sep 21^st, 2016 at 7:40am:

no they never did explain the garrot cods and the "point" about the pineapple- did not get that at all..experts..lol

Wow, yep, I think the son did it. It may have been a long time before he understood his role in his sisters death, if he ever has. He has been coached to believe in himself and he can't process the truth. The parents, well, they made a decision that  messed up all their lives. Powerful people protecting their son from his actions, not how life works. It's sad the parents didn't have an expert to get advise from, then they would of been able to make different choices.

Dr Phil should know better than participate in this farce, and encourage it's continuation. The brother needs help to process his actions and those of his parents. For the parents to engage in defiling this precious life must compound the violent, impulsive act of another child. Imagine growing up with that. And the D A, ha, bet you he's on the parents phone records xmas night.

Dianne50 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2016 at 10:11am:


If only the parents said that their 9 yr old son accidentally killed his sister in a bit of a chase, it would not have gone on as long as it has, nor would it have even been given that much attention.
But the tabloids loved it, with that pretty girl all dressed up, it was a paper seller.

When the mum said something to the effect like "I have already lost my daughter, I don't want to lose my son also"......means there were fears that their son may have been taken away from them for reasons to assess him etc.

But image is more important eh?

You know what I find ridiculous, a gag order on the 911 operator!

Cover up for sure.

And the DA, (I wonder how much he got paid for helping with his role in it all?) 

The pineapple piece, was a bit of the most recent food in her undigested part of the stomach, meaning it was fairly recent (after having had a meal at the Whites for Xmas, and then that earlier food was already digested).

The 2 marks that didn't match the taser, but the brother's train track ends did.

The mere fact it was revealed that the brother would have been very jealous and bitter against his sister for all the attention she was getting, thus he would smear his faeces all over the walls, and into his sister's chocolate box she got for xmas. (now if that isn't attention seeking, then what is?)
And he did already swing a gold club at his sisters head earlier.
The parents should have done something to help that situation earlier as it was unacceptable behaviour. But no, they just let it slide, it will be right, image is more important.

Quite frankly, I am so glad the panel of experts shed some spotlight in the direction of where it should be.
Just disappointed that the whole cover up had to involve so many people, when it could have been simpler, just an accidental death. End of.
The long ransom note was pinned to the mother having written it.
The ink in the pen matching the pen placed neatly back where, the paper that matched the note pad was.

When the mother and father were asked to write out the ransom note, the mother, wrote $118,000 as in full words, not in numeric (they thought that was deliberation on her part, and asked, who writes it out in full when a disclosed amount of money is to be written down?)

What was that adage? "Oh what a wicked web we weave, when we try to deceive".

And I will say again, that gag order on the 911 operator was totally and utterly ridiculous 

Money = power + politics.

Agnes wrote on Sep 21^st, 2016 at 1:37pm:


what are you asking for Agnes? 

The entire family and anyone connected  with the family have been officially cleared. DNA on Jonbenet's underwear matched touch DNA on the drawstring of Jonbenet's pyjama pants. Find the owner of the DNA and the case is solved.

The Boulder police hung on to the 'Chinese textile worker's DNA' being on Jonbenet's underpants. Thd same DNA on the pyjama  pants killed that theory. That's  why the Boulder police officially cleared the Ramseys. If the investigative body which has always hung onto the Ramsey's guilt no longer believes they did it; why do you?

Marla wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2016 at 1:53pm:



Cheese?

The 9-year old brother hit her over the head with a torch and she "died" .... the parents covered it up and devised a story about some pedophile crawling through a basement window. Including a ransom note ........ written by the Mother.

The Cops undoubtedly missed a LOT of stuff, so even now what they did NOT collect cannot be checked for DNA.

End Of.

Unless the brother or Father starts talking. They both KNOW what happened.

To try to balance things we just don't know what the Police have to put up with in these southern towns.

Black Orchid wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2016 at 6:38pm:


Yeas indeed.  Even people without guns need to be shot by Coppers.  I agree because of what they have to put up with in those southern towns.  Might be best to just drop a big bomb on all those towns. Quick and efficient.  Problem solved, ey, Blick Orchid?

Aussie wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2016 at 7:13pm:


the smoking pineapple gun killed little JonBenet

It will be interesting to see what transpires if this case is opened up.
Apparently, the brother will do a lie detector test.


http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/jonbenet-ramsey-family-friend-supports-sensa...