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Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:24pm
 
Hu-Man aka God-Man did not descend from the apes

The Freemason ,Darwin and his foolish and non factual theory is debunked ..

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http://apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=801

Of Apes and Men: Chromosome 2 in Humans and the Chimpanzee

by      Will Brooks, Ph.D.

[EDITOR’S NOTE: The following article was written by A.P. staff scientist Will Brooks, who holds a Ph.D. in Cell Biology from the University of Alabama at Birmingham.]

“The Evolution of Creationism.” No, you did not misread the statement. This was the title of a symposium that I recently attended at the Experimental Biology 2009 National Conference held in New Orleans, Louisiana (Forrest and Miller, 2009). At this symposium, a couple of the more vocal evolutionists gave a detailed account of how creationists’ thinking has allegedly “evolved” over the last 20 years. The speakers gave a chronological history of landmark court cases regarding the creation/evolution debate and marked how creationists have repeatedly changed their strategies for battling evolutionary thought. (Answering this historical interpretation is beyond the scope of this article, though much could be said in response to this claim.) One of the speakers at this symposium was Dr. Kenneth Miller, a biology professor at Brown University. Miller is a researcher and author, but is well known in large part for his testimony at the 2005 Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District trial (Kitzmiller v. Dover..., 2005). In this well-publicized court case, parents battled the Dover, Pennsylvania School Board over a statement that the school board developed to be read in 9th grade science class when evolution was taught. Led by Kitzmiller, these parents fought to have the statement removed, because it posited intelligent design as an alternative to Darwin’s theory. Within those courts, Miller gave testimony which was designed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that evolution was the only explanation for the origin of life. One of the key points of Miller’s testimony, which he kindly recounted at the symposium, regarded the then-recent report that human chromosome 2 looks like it is a fusion of two different chimpanzee chromosomes (Wienberg, et al., 1994).

Humans (Homo sapiens) have 46 chromosomes which make up their nuclear DNA genome; this number is known as the diploid number. Half of these 46 chromosomes are always donated by the mother and half by the father. So, mom and dad each contribute 23 chromosomes—the haploid number—to their offspring. Therefore, the 46 nuclear chromosomes, that all humans possess within their cells, are actually 23 pairs of identical chromosomes. (To be more precise, females have 23 identical pairs, while males have 22 pairs that are identical and the sex chromosomes, X and Y, are paired but not identical.) This diploid number of 46 (23 pairs) is, however, unique to humans among their alleged primate relatives. Genetically speaking, those species which have DNA sequences most similar to that of humans are the great apes. Each of the four species of ape (chimpanzee, gorilla, bonobo, and orangutan) possesses 48 chromosomes or 24 pairs, compared to the 46 chromosomes of humans. However, the genetic difference between Homo sapiens and their alleged primate relatives is significant.

Of the four species of great apes, also known as hominids, the chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes) harbors the most similar DNA sequence to humans, making it genetically the closest to Homo sapiens. As was discussed by Miller in his court testimony, interestingly, if one takes a close look at the gross physical appearance (karyotype) of both human and chimpanzee chromosomes, one finds that all of the chromosomes can be matched between species, except the human chromosome 2. This chromosome is unique in that it looks like a hybrid or fusion of two chimpanzee chromosomes known now as chromosomes 2A and 2B. The similarities are striking and quite convincing that Homo sapiens chromosome 2 is the counterpart of the chimpanzee chromosomes 2A and 2B. This accounts for the difference in diploid numbers between humans and four species of great ape. Humans have 23 pairs including a single chromosome 2 (46 total), while the great apes have 24 pairs including the distinct chromosomes 2A and 2B (48 total). Miller and a host of evolutionists have jumped on this alleged chromosomal fusion as evidence that humans, the chimpanzee, and other hominids all descended from one common ancestor.

Three explanations could account for this proposed chromosomal fusion. One lends itself to an evolutionist’s view and two to the viewpoint of intelligent design. First, consider the evolutionist’s explanation. Most modern evolutionary biologists do not claim that humans evolved from chimpanzees or any of the other living apes. Instead, it is proposed that humans and the great apes all evolved separately from one now extinct common ancestor through independent evolutionary lines (Figure 1). Allegedly, that one common ancestor of man and the hominids possessed a diploid number of 48. As this species evolved into the chimpanzee, gorilla, and orangutan, the total chromosomal number remained constant at 48.
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Reply #1 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:27pm
 
In contrast, as that same common ancestor evolved into a human, two of the 48 chromosomes underwent a genetic malfunction and were fused together to produce a new species with a diploid number of 46.

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Figure 1: Evolutionary Map of Proposed Ape and Human Descent. Note the chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes) and the bonobo or pigmy chimpanzee are grouped together.


There are problems with this explanation. First, this hypothesis openly assumes that the chromosomal fusion took place after humans supposedly split from the apes in the proposed evolutionary tree. Allegedly at some point in the past, a human ancestor’s DNA underwent a genetic fusion between two of its chromosomes. This event occurred in no other species. Does this provide evidence that humans share a common ancestor with apes? No. This line of thinking provides no empirical evidence that humans and apes share a common ancestor. All that it really does is suggest that a past human may have undergone this genetic change. In order for this fusion event to demonstrate common ancestry with the chimpanzee, there would have to be some link between the fusion event and the great apes. But no such link exists. The fused-looking chromosome is specific to humans, so it does not directly connect with the great apes. Therefore, it cannot be empirical evidence for a common link between Homo sapiens and the great apes. The only genetic “link” (which is no link at all) between humans and the apes is our close DNA sequence similarity. But this similarity is completely expected given the similar body structure, physiology, and biochemistry that we share with our primate friends. In reality, DNA sequence similarity is just as much evidence for common design as it is for evolution. In actuality, neither viewpoint is proven by the matter of similarity.

For the sake of argument, let us assume that evolutionists are correct and a distant human ancestor with 48 chromosomes did evolve into a new species with 46 chromosomes via the chromosome 2 fusion event. Did this event occur in a single individual or simultaneously in an entire population? Mutations of this nature are certainly rare, but they do occur occasionally. However, the probability that this mutation would occur simultaneously in multiple individuals is so staggeringly low that we can assume its impossibility. At best, the mutation occurred in a single individual. How then was it propagated from one individual to his or her offspring and eventually to every human? Chromosomal rearrangements of this nature are not easily passed to offspring. When mutations of this magnitude occur, they pose serious problems for an organism when the process of gamete production occurs. Gametes are the egg and sperm cells used to form a new individual during sexual reproduction. The process of generating gametes is a special form of cell division known as meiosis. During this process, a specific alignment of chromosomal pairs always occurs and is essential for meiosis. This alignment is dependent on the near-identical structure and sequence of chromosomal pairs. If an individual carries a mutation such as a chromosomal fusion, then he or she will often be unable to produce gametes, because meiosis will fail to occur properly due to improper alignment of the now non-identical chromosome pairs. Today, we know chromosomal fusion to be one cause of infertility. In some cases, meiosis can find a way to complete despite non-identical chromosomal pairs. However, the gametes that result, or the offspring produced by fertilization with these gametes, usually have a short lifespan due to genetic problems. Problems associated with chromosomal alignment lead to spontaneous miscarriages and genetic abnormalities such as Down’s Syndrome.

A third problem with the hypothesis of a chromosomal fusion in human ancestry lies in the complete absence of humans with 48 chromosomes. If it were true that a chromosomal split occurred in human evolution, then two distinct human groups would have been generated: one containing 48 chromosomes which were not altered by any genetic change, and a second containing 46 chromosomes including the fusion of chromosome 2 (Figure 2). The problem is, however, that no humans have 48 chromosomes. The only possible historical explanation is that an entire population of 48-chromosome humans became extinct and was replaced by a 46-chromosome human race. For this scenario to have occurred, a very strong positive selection must have favored the diploid number of 46 over that of 48 (Bowers, 2003). Unfortunately for evolutionists, the paradox is that the same selection would be expected for the other apes as well. Apes, however, maintained a chromosome number of 48. Because of the known problems of infertility that go along with large genomic rearrangements, natural selection would actually operate against this proposed chromosomal fusion. The fitness for survival for such individuals would be extremely low. Taken together, no evidence supports common ancestry between humans and chimpanzees via chromosome 2 fusion.
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Reply #2 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:28pm
 
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Figure 2: Evolutionary Map of Human Divergence Following Chromosome 2 Fusion.


So, if humans were not a split from the ape lineage in evolutionary theory, there are two other explanations for the appearance of human chromosome 2. The first explanation is that an intelligent designer created humans with 48 chromosomes, but they underwent the fusion sometime following Creation. At first glance, this explanation might appear to be a combination of creation and evolution—but only if “evolution” is defined as microevolution. Let us assume that God created humans with a diploid number of 48 chromosomes, and that they were in all respects the same as humans today except in chromosome number. Later, a fusion occurred between two chromosomes to give humans 46 chromosomes just like ourselves. This would be an example of microevolution. A genetic change occurred, but did not alter the species by creating a new distinct species. Unfortunately, this explanation holds up no better than that of the evolutionist’s common ancestry theory. As described above, the problems of infertility, low survival fitness, and the absence of humans with 48 chromosomes today make this explanation improbable for the appearance of chromosome 2. It could be argued that Noah or his wife (Genesis 6) contained the chromosome 2 fusion and thus repopulated the Earth following the great Flood with this genomic alteration. If Noah or his wife contained a fusion of chromosomes 2A and 2B, then their offspring would have a 50% chance of receiving this chromosome. Then, offspring from their sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth, would have only a 25% chance of receiving the altered chromosome 2. With each successive generation, the probability of maintaining the altered chromosome would reduce by one-half. These genetic frequencies of passage to offspring, coupled with the likelihood of infertility and genetic syndromes, make the Noah hypothesis unlikely as well.

The only remaining explanation for the similarity of human chromosome 2 to chromosomes 2A and 2B in the chimpanzee is that God created mankind with 46 chromosomes including a second chromosome with the visible characteristics that we see today. No evidence or any line of rational thought can explain how a single human underwent a genetic chromosomal fusion and passed that alteration to all of mankind—except that he was created by God at the beginning, along with woman, with that chromosomal makeup.

Atheists have asked why God would purposefully create a human chromosome that “looks” like the fusion of two chromosomes. At this stage of understanding, we do not know. Recall God’s words: “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:8-9, ESV). Eliphaz rightly stated: “He catches the wise in their own craftiness, and the schemes of the wily are brought to a quick end” (Job 5:13, ESV). We cannot know God’s intentions for creating us as we exist, nor can we know why He created chimpanzees with such close genetic similarities to humans. We can know, however, that despite the close similarities in genetics, anatomy, physiology, and biochemistry between Homo sapiens and Pan troglodytes, man can think and reason far beyond the chimpanzee or any other living organism. (It is doubtful that genetics will ever solely explain that difference.) But, the greatest difference will always be that man alone has an immortal soul which is yet another created gift from God.

We will continue to learn as we delve deeper into our studies of biology and the living world. We may well discover an explanation. But, there will always be questions which cannot be answered, puzzles which cannot be solved. While God has placed some of His creation beyond our ability to discover, He has left other parts of it for us to ponder. What we can know is that the evolutionists’ “argument” regarding chromosome 2 in no way proves that humans evolved from apes.

REFERENCES

Bowers, Evelyn J. (2003), “Chromosomal Speciation,” Science, 301[5634]: 764-5.

Forrest, Barbara and Kenneth R. Miller (2009), “The Evolution of Creationism,” Experimental Biology 2009, [On-line], URL: http://www.eb2009.org/.

Kitzmiller vs. Dover Area School District (2005), Case No. 04cv2688, [On-line], URL: http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmiller/kitzmiller_342.pdf.

Weinberg Johannes, et al. (1994), “The Origin of Human Chromosome 2 Analyzed by Comparative Chromo-some Mapping with a DNA Micro-library,” Chromosome Research, 2:405-410.
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Reply #4 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:37pm
 
And then we learned Orangutans are being prostituted

That's right.  People travel overseas to indulge in bestiality with captive animals

Time to pack this experiment up and consign all humans to the tip
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Reply #5 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:49pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
Darwin and his foolish and non factual theory is debunked ..

Darwin never said that man evolved from (modern) apes.  Man and other apes all evolved from a common ancestor.
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Reply #6 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:59pm
 
rabbitoh08 wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:49pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
Darwin and his foolish and non factual theory is debunked ..

Darwin never said that man evolved from (modern) apes.  Man and other apes all evolved from a common ancestor.


many blessings rabbitoh08

pls provide proof of your abstract claims

yet either way be at peace

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Reply #7 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:00pm
 
PZ547 wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:37pm:
And then we learned Orangutans are being prostituted

That's right.  People travel overseas to indulge in bestiality with captive animals

Time to pack this experiment up and consign all humans to the tip


many blessings PZ547

there are many sick individuals upon this world

those that indulge in these acts are clearly demon possessed

may the lord have mercy upon them

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Reply #8 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:03pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:59pm:
rabbitoh08 wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:49pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
Darwin and his foolish and non factual theory is debunked ..

Darwin never said that man evolved from (modern) apes.  Man and other apes all evolved from a common ancestor.


many blessings rabbitoh08

pls provide proof of your abstract claims

yet either way be at peace

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actually, you were the one who first claimed he said we came from apes, it's up there in your thread title ... it's up to you to provide proof.
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Reply #9 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:04pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:00pm:
PZ547 wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:37pm:
And then we learned Orangutans are being prostituted

That's right.  People travel overseas to indulge in bestiality with captive animals

Time to pack this experiment up and consign all humans to the tip


many blessings PZ547

there are many sick individuals upon this world

those that indulge in these acts are clearly demon possessed

may the lord have mercy upon them

namaste


I'd rather he had mercy on the Orangutans and let the people that do that sh1t burn in hell
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Reply #10 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:10pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:00pm:
PZ547 wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:37pm:
And then we learned Orangutans are being prostituted

That's right.  People travel overseas to indulge in bestiality with captive animals

Time to pack this experiment up and consign all humans to the tip


many blessings PZ547

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those that indulge in these acts are clearly demon possessed

may the lord have mercy upon them

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Reply #11 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:12pm
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:04pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:00pm:
PZ547 wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:37pm:
And then we learned Orangutans are being prostituted

That's right.  People travel overseas to indulge in bestiality with captive animals

Time to pack this experiment up and consign all humans to the tip


many blessings PZ547

there are many sick individuals upon this world

those that indulge in these acts are clearly demon possessed

may the lord have mercy upon them

namaste


I'd rather he had mercy on the Orangutans and let the people that do that sh1t burn in hell


Smiley


Not sure there's any burning in hell

but I did surmise that humans be consigned to the tip

I'm fine with animals staying
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Reply #12 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:15pm
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:03pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:59pm:
rabbitoh08 wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:49pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
Darwin and his foolish and non factual theory is debunked ..

Darwin never said that man evolved from (modern) apes.  Man and other apes all evolved from a common ancestor.


many blessings rabbitoh08

pls provide proof of your abstract claims

yet either way be at peace

namaste


actually, you were the one who first claimed he said we came from apes, it's up there in your thread title ... it's up to you to provide proof.


many blessings

incorrect = john smith

this illusion is mainstream thought brought about by disinformationalistical teachings ..and so ,

you are forgiven for blaming one such as I am for mass retardations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

Human evolution


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Human evolution is the evolutionary process that led to the emergence of anatomically modern humans. The topic typically focuses on the evolutionary history of the primates—in particular the genus Homo, and the emergence of Homo sapiens as a distinct species of the hominids (or "great apes")—rather than studying the earlier history that led to the primates. The study of human evolution involves many scientific disciplines, including physical anthropology, primatology, archaeology, paleontology, neurobiology, ethology, linguistics, evolutionary psychology, embryology and genetics.[1] Genetic studies show that primates diverged from other mammals about 85 million years ago, in the Late Cretaceous period, and the earliest fossils appear in the Paleocene, around 55 million years ago.[2] Within the Hominoidea (apes) superfamily, the Hominidae family diverged from the Hylobatidae (gibbon) family some 15–20 million years ago; African great apes (subfamily Homininae) diverged from orangutans (Ponginae) about 14 million years ago; the Hominini tribe (humans, Australopithecines and other extinct biped genera, and chimpanzees) parted from the Gorillini tribe (gorillas) about 8 million years ago; and, in turn, the subtribes Hominina (humans and biped ancestors) and Panina (chimps) separated about 7.5 million years ago to 5.6 million years ago.[3]

The basic adaptation of the hominin line is bipedalism. The earliest bipedal hominin is considered to be either Sahelanthropus or Orrorin; alternatively, either Sahelanthropus or Orrorin may instead be the last shared ancestor between chimps and humans. Ardipithecus, a full biped, arose somewhat later, and the early bipeds eventually evolved into the australopithecines, and later into the genus Homo.

The earliest documented representative of the genus Homo is Homo habilis, which evolved around 2.8 million years ago,[4] and is arguably the earliest species for which there is positive evidence of the use of stone tools. The brains of these early hominins were about the same size as that of a chimpanzee, although it has been suggested that this was the time in which the human SRGAP2 gene doubled, producing a more rapid wiring of the frontal cortex. During the next million years a process of rapid encephalization occurred, and with the arrival of Homo erectus and Homo ergaster in the fossil record, cranial capacity had doubled to 850 cm3.[5] (Such an increase in human brain size is equivalent to each generation having 125,000 more neurons than their parents.) It is believed that Homo erectus and Homo ergaster were the first to use fire and complex tools, and were the first of the hominin line to leave Africa, spreading throughout Africa, Asia, and Europe between 1.3 to 1.8 million years ago.

According to the recent African origin of modern humans theory, modern humans evolved in Africa possibly from Homo heidelbergensis, Homo rhodesiensis or Homo antecessor and migrated out of the continent some 50,000 to 100,000 years ago, gradually replacing local populations of Homo erectus, Denisova hominins, Homo floresiensis and Homo neanderthalensis.[6][7][8][9][10] Archaic Homo sapiens, the forerunner of anatomically modern humans, evolved in the Middle Paleolithic between 400,000 and 250,000 years ago.[11][12][13] Recent DNA evidence suggests that several haplotypes of Neanderthal origin are present among all non-African populations, and Neanderthals and other hominins, such as Denisovans, may have contributed up to 6% of their genome to present-day humans, suggestive of a limited inter-breeding between these species.[14][15][16] The transition to behavioral modernity with the development of symbolic culture, language, and specialized lithic technology happened around 50,000 years ago according to many anthropologists[17] although some suggest a gradual change in behavior over a longer time span.[18]

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Reply #13 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:41pm
 
Just as a matter of interest, author Oscar Kiss Maerth wrote a book decades ago, before monopolization of publishing

His book was entitled: 'And The Beginning Was the End' or similar

It's a fascinating read and spends quite a bit of time detailing archaeological discoveries which few are aware of even today, involving mass cannibalism as revealed through smashed skulls and bones generally

It's the author's belief, which is substantiated by archaeologists and others, that the skulls were smashed to get at the brains, while the long bones were smashed for the marrow

The author believes the males ate the brains whereas women and kids had to settle for the marrow

Eating brains, says the author, resulted in the fabled 'missing link'.  He said brain-consumption led to increased intelligence in the cannibals

Interestingly, decades later, science devised an experiment whereby rats were required to run a maze to get at a reward.  Some rats were better at it than others.  The smarter rats' brains were extracted and put into a centrifuge, after which that was fed to other rats.  Scientists observed that those rats which had been fed concentrated extract of their smarter predecessors' brains themselves executed the maze-run much faster than the control-rats.  The experiments were conducted repeatedly, with the same results

The rat-experiments thus tallied with the conclusions of the book's author

The author arrived at the conclusion that the Biblical Tree which plays such a central role in the Adam and Eve saga, was in fact originally regarded as the Tree of Knowledge, with the eating of brains the real 'apple', or forbidden-fruit

The book contains many photographs of primates.  And beneath each are matching photos of humans of varying ethnicities

Interesting book that raised (and still does) outrage amongst many to the point it's long been out of print and suffers these days at the hands of those who ridicule and deride it in the hope no one will buy whatever copies remain.  In other words, modern-day book-burning

Another very interesting book is entitled, 'The Bible Came From Arabia'.  The author provides maps which show that a small area in Yemen was actually the 'holy lands', complete with place names/locations matching those in the Bible compared with the failure of those with a vested interest to locate those places in Palestine and surrounding regions.  Again, this book has been victim of today's equivalent of book burning
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Reply #14 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 2:27pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:59pm:
rabbitoh08 wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:49pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
Darwin and his foolish and non factual theory is debunked ..

Darwin never said that man evolved from (modern) apes.  Man and other apes all evolved from a common ancestor.


many blessings rabbitoh08

pls provide proof of your abstract claims

yet either way be at peace

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errrr....perhaps you should read Darwin's "Descent of Man"?

If the anthropomorphous apes be admitted to form a natural sub-group... we may infer that some ancient member of the anthropomorphous sub-group gave birth to man.
http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Darwin/Descent/descent6.htm

He did not say that human evolved from apes (which, given that humans are apes, is actually a meaningless thing to say).  He said man and other apes shared a common ancestor.
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Reply #15 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 2:28pm
 
rabbitoh08 wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:49pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
Darwin and his foolish and non factual theory is debunked ..

Darwin never said that man evolved from (modern) apes.  Man and other apes all evolved from a common ancestor.


Yes I think he is doing an injustice to Darwin and you're right, a common ancestor was his claim. That was however enough to bring out the god squad, as it appears to be still capable of doing.

Darwin did not have the benefit of the discoveries of the 20th century by such as Dr Leakey which have expanded the range of ancestors.
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Re: Hu-man Did Not Descend from Apes
Reply #16 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 9:36pm
 
lets explore the global myth taught to your children in your schools shall we ...

http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/human_evolution.aspx

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Human Evolution


Human evolution is the lengthy process of change by which people originated from apelike ancestors starting nearly five million years ago. The modern scientific study of human evolution is called paleoanthropology. A subfield of anthropology, this discipline searches for the roots of human physical traits, culture, and behavior. It attempts to answer questions: What makes us human? When and why did we begin to walk upright? How did our brains, language, art, music, and religion develop? By approaching these questions from a variety of directions, using information learned from other disciplines such as molecular biology, paleontology, archaeology, sociology, and biology, we continue to increase knowledge of our evolutionary origins.

Most cultures throughout human history have myths, stories, and ideas about how life and culture came into existence. Although the current theory of evolution, based on the ideas of Charles Darwin, is accepted by a majority of scientists in our time, it is important to remember that many earlier ideas were recognized as well.

Darwin's books, On the Origins of the Species by Natural Selection (1859) and The Descent of Man (1872), expressed his theory of evolution and revolutionized the study of life and human origins.

Darwin presented evidence showing that natural species including humans have changed, or evolved, over long spans of time. He also argued that radically new forms of life develop from existing species. He noted that all organisms compete with one another for food, space, mates, and other things needed for survival and reproduction. The most successful individuals in this competition have the greatest chance of reproducing and passing these characteristics on to offspring. Over hundreds of thousands of generations, one form of life can evolve into one or more other forms. Darwin called this process natural selection.

Modern science now understands that the mechanism for evolutionary change resides in genes , the basic building block of heredity . Genes determine how the body, and often the behavior, of an organism will develop over the course of its life. Certain information in genes can change, and over time this genetic change can actually alter a species' overall way of life.

In recent decades, biological and social scientists have made impressive strides in understanding our complex physical and cultural origins. Their research has revealed gradual alterations in our genetic structure, as well as shifts in culture and behavior, that have transformed humankind into the planet-dominant species.

Scientists estimate that our human ancestors began to diverge from the African primates between eight million and five million years ago. This figure is the result of studying the genetic makeup of humans and apes, and then calculating approximately how long it took for those differences to develop. Using similar methods of comparing genetic variation among human populations around the world, it is thought that all people living today share a common genetic ancestor.

Early Life in Africa


The human story begins in one of the most geologically fascinating areas on Earth, the Great Rift Valley of Africa. It is an enormous split torn into Earth's crust that runs from the forests in Tanzania to the deserts of Ethiopia. In some places the rift is thousands of feet deep and exposes the last fifteen million years of the earth's history. Here, fossil remains of our earliest ancestors can be found. Humankind appears to have first evolved in Africa, and the fossils of early humans, or hominids, who lived between five million and two million years ago, come entirely from Africa.

Starting with the modern human skull, it is possible to trace our ancestry back millions of years. As we travel back in time, our ancestors look less and less like us and begin to resemble our closest relatives, the African apes. Because our physical and genetic characteristics are similar, evolutionary theory offers evidence that ancestral humans had a very close relationship to a group of primates, the apes. Humans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and the large apes of Africa share a common ancestor that lived between eight million and five million years ago.

Humans, or hominids, belong to the scientific order named Primates, a group of more than 230 species of animals that includes the monkeys, lemurs, and apes. Modern humans have a number of physical characteristics resembling our ape ancestry. The social systems of humans also share similarities with the African apes and other primates, such as baboons, chimpanzees, and rhesus monkeys. Chimps live, groom, feed, and hunt together and form strong family bonds. Early humankind probably had a similar lifestyle.

Scientists now know that nearly 98 percent of the genes in humans and chimpanzees are identical, making chimps the closest living biological relative of humans. However, there are fundamental differences between modern humans and their primate relatives.
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Reply #17 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 11:08pm
 
Yes Light- you are an excellent cut and paster.

But do you understand, Darwin never said that man evolved from (modern) apes.  Man and other apes all evolved from a common ancestor.

So your OP is sort of crap.
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Reply #18 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 11:31pm
 
rabbitoh08 wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 11:08pm:
Yes Light- you are an excellent cut and paster.

But do you understand, Darwin never said that man evolved from (modern) apes.  Man and other apes all evolved from a common ancestor.

So your OP is sort of crap.


many blessings rabbitoh08 ,

one such as I am will never stand under/understand  your illusionary mesmerisms

and how you distinctly include " modern " into your semantic proposals ..

your contribution is observed as I actually overstand your supposition with ease and grace

as we continue without your semantic retardationalisms,

here is some more stupidity and mainstream teachings ,

http://humanorigins.si.edu/education/introduction-human-evolution

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Human evolution


Human evolution is the lengthy process of change by which people originated from apelike ancestors. Scientific evidence shows that the physical and behavioral traits shared by all people originated from apelike ancestors and evolved over a period of approximately six million years.

One of the earliest defining human traits, bipedalism -- the ability to walk on two legs -- evolved over 4 million years ago. Other important human characteristics -- such as a large and complex brain, the ability to make and use tools, and the capacity for language -- developed more recently. Many advanced traits -- including complex symbolic expression, art, and elaborate cultural diversity -- emerged mainly during the past 100,000 years.

Humans are primates. Physical and genetic similarities show that the modern human species, Homo sapiens, has a very close relationship to another group of primate species, the apes. Humans and the great apes (large apes) of Africa -- chimpanzees (including bonobos, or so-called “pygmy chimpanzees”) and gorillas -- share a common ancestor that lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. Humans first evolved in Africa, and much of human evolution occurred on that continent. The fossils of early humans who lived between 6 and 2 million years ago come entirely from Africa.

Most scientists currently recognize some 15 to 20 different species of early humans. Scientists do not all agree, however, about how these species are related or which ones simply died out. Many early human species -- certainly the majority of them – left no living descendants. Scientists also debate over how to identify and classify particular species of early humans, and about what factors influenced the evolution and extinction of each species.

Early humans first migrated out of Africa into Asia probably between 2 million and 1.8 million years ago. They entered Europe somewhat later, between 1.5 million and 1 million years. Species of modern humans populated many parts of the world much later. For instance, people first came to Australia probably within the past 60,000 years and to the Americas within the past 30,000 years or so. The beginnings of agriculture and the rise of the first civilizations occurred within the past 12,000 years.

Paleoanthropology
Paleoanthropology is the scientific study of human evolution. Paleoanthropology is a subfield of anthropology, the study of human culture, society, and biology. The field involves an understanding of the similarities and differences between humans and other species in their genes, body form, physiology, and behavior. Paleoanthropologists search for the roots of human physical traits and behavior. They seek to discover how evolution has shaped the potentials, tendencies, and limitations of all people. For many people, paleoanthropology is an exciting scientific field because it investigates the origin, over millions of years, of the universal and defining traits of our species. However, some people find the concept of human evolution troubling because it can seem not to fit with religious and other traditional beliefs about how people, other living things, and the world came to be. Nevertheless, many people have come to reconcile their beliefs with the scientific evidence.

Early human fossils and archeological remains offer the most important clues about this ancient past. These remains include bones, tools and any other evidence (such as footprints, evidence of hearths, or butchery marks on animal bones) left by earlier people. Usually, the remains were buried and preserved naturally. They are then found either on the surface (exposed by rain, rivers, and wind erosion) or by digging in the ground. By studying fossilized bones, scientists learn about the physical appearance of earlier humans and how it changed. Bone size, shape, and markings left by muscles tell us how those predecessors moved around, held tools, and how the size of their brains changed over a long time. Archeological evidence refers to the things earlier people made and the places where scientists find them. By studying this type of evidence, archeologists can understand how early humans made and used tools and lived in their environments.

The process of evolution
The process of evolution involves a series of natural changes that cause species (populations of different organisms) to arise, adapt to the environment, and become extinct. All species or organisms have originated through the process of biological evolution.
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Reply #19 - Sep 19th, 2016 at 6:49am
 
we continue with facts and logic ..

http://www.icr.org/article/9189

Chinese Femur Refutes Human Evolution


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by Brian Thomas, M.S. *
Evidence for Creation


Textbooks around the world contain the well-known illustration of walking apes transitioning into a modern human. I recently heard a college student, raised in a Christian home, say these pictures convinced her of evolution. She probably represents countless others swayed by this simplistic icon. But those willing to question the concept that man descended from apes can welcome the recent study of a discovery from China. It adds to the list of important finds that refute human evolution and its illustrations.

Researchers from Australia and China analyzed a portion of a human femur (thigh bone) found in Red Deer Cave in Yunnan Province, China, during a 1989 excavation.1 The researchers noted the bone looks like Homo habilis and Homo erectus femurs found in Africa.2 Those presumed early versions of an evolving mankind supposedly went extinct over 1.5 million years ago, but evolutionary methods dated the Chinese cave finds to only about 14,000 years ago!

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What does this mean?

In terms of the ape-to-man icon that creation researcher Marvin Lubenow called “the fake parade,”3 it means that drawings of the club-wielding “early” men should be redrawn to show them walking beside modern-looking men, not behind them. In terms of biblical history, this find supports what creation-based scientists have been saying for many years about fossils of extinct human varieties: They, along with all modern humans, descended from Noah’s sons.4

Other amazing discoveries confirm this conclusion. For example, a cache of wildly different-looking human fossils pulled from a Georgian cave and reported in 2013 also had human varieties designated H. erectus and H. habilis deposited during the same timeframe.5

And consider what Lubenow said about human fossils from a famous cave in Spain.

Further, thanks to the extreme variation seen in the Sima de los Huesos [cave] fossil collection, the distinctions made by evolutionists between Homo erectus, early Homo sapiens, Neandertal, and anatomically modern Homo sapiens now fade into insignificance. It is a remarkable affirmation of…Acts 17:26, “From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth.”6

The fake parade shows early apes becoming stooped caveman creatures, and finally modern man. Any of these three cave finds dismantles at least part of the fake parade by jumbling its “early man” time sequence. Other fossil sites show a time overlap between modern looking humans and extinct apes.3 If one believed apes evolved from ancient man, one could just as easily draw another fake parade of humans on the left stepping down to apes on the right without violating the fossil record.

The supposedly archaic human femur found in the cave deposit from China and finds from other caves around the world all clash with the story of human evolution and confirm that humans have always been humans.

References

Smith, D. ‘Red Deer Cave’ bone points to mysterious species of pre-modern human. University of New South Wales news release. Posted on newsroom.unsw.edu.au December 18, 2015, accessed January 5, 2016.
Curnoe, D. et al. 2015. A Hominin Femur with Archaic Affinities from the Late Pleistocene of Southwest China. PLoS ONE. 10 (12): e0143332.
Lubenow, M. 2004. Bones of Contention. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 167.
For example, see Thomas, B. Human Remains in Spain: Neandertal or Not? Creation Science Update. Posted on icr.org July 2, 2014, accessed December 29, 2015.
Thomas, B. and F. Sherwin. Human-like Fossil Menagerie Stuns Scientists. Creation Science Update. Posted on icr.org November 8, 2013, accessed December 29, 2015.
Lubenow, Bones of Contention, 201.
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Reply #21 - Sep 19th, 2016 at 7:00am
 
many blessings ,

here is some more idiocy from Encyclopaedia Britannica

people actually pay top dollar to be taught to regurgitate this stupidity and retarded programming

mindless dupes further quote this lunacy and think they are intelligent by doing so ... as it is the observed ' science ' taught by freemasonic despots ..

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https://www.britannica.com/science/human-evolution

Human evolution


WRITTEN BY:

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Russell Howard Tuttle


( freemasonic puppet handler )

Human evolution, the process by which human beings developed on Earth from now-extinct primates. Viewed zoologically, we humans are Homo sapiens, a culture-bearing, upright-walking species that lives on the ground and very likely first evolved in Africa about 200,000 years ago. We are now the only living members of what many zoologists refer to as the human tribe, Hominini, but there is abundant fossil evidence to indicate that we were preceded for millions of years by other hominins, such as Australopithecus, and that our species also lived for a time contemporaneously with at least one other member of our genus, Homo neanderthalensis (the Neanderthals). In addition, we and our predecessors have always shared the Earth with other apelike primates, from the modern-day gorilla to the long-extinct Dryopithecus. That we and the extinct hominins are somehow related and that we and the apes, both living and extinct, are also somehow related is accepted by anthropologists and biologists everywhere. Yet the exact nature of our evolutionary relationships has been the subject of debate and investigation since the great British naturalist Charles Darwin published his monumental books On the Origin of Species (1859) and The Descent of Man (1871). Darwin never claimed, as some of his Victorian contemporaries insisted he had, that “man was descended from the apes,” and modern scientists would view such a statement as a useless simplification—just as they would dismiss any popular notions that a certain extinct species is the “missing link” between man and the apes. There is theoretically, however, a common ancestor that existed millions of years ago. This ancestral species does not constitute a “missing link” along a lineage but rather a node for divergence into separate lineages. This ancient primate has not been identified and may never be known with certainty, because fossil relationships are unclear even within the human lineage, which is more recent. In fact, the human “family tree” may be better described as a “family bush,” within which it is impossible to connect a full chronological series of species, leading to Homo sapiens, that experts can agree upon.

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Reply #22 - Sep 19th, 2016 at 7:09am
 
Humans did Not Descend from Apes but

we had a common ancestor.

That's why our DNA is 99% the same as Chimps.
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Reply #23 - Sep 19th, 2016 at 7:17am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2016 at 7:09am:
Humans did Not Descend from Apes but

we had a common ancestor.

That's why our DNA is 99% the same as Chimps.


many blessings sir bobby ,

you are wrong on most topics and will be corrected here as well

http://creation.com/greater-than-98-chimp-human-dna-similarity-not-any-more

Greater than 98% Chimp/human DNA similarity? Not any more.

A common evolutionary argument gets reevaluated—by evolutionists themselves.

by David DeWitt

A new report in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences suggests that the common value of >98% similarity of DNA between chimp and humans is incorrect.2 Roy Britten, author of the study, puts the figure at about 95% when insertions and deletions are included. Importantly, there is much more to these studies than people realize.

References
Archidiacono, N., Storlazzi, C.T., Spalluto, C., Ricco, A.S., Marzella, R., Rocchi, M. 1998. ‘Evolution of chromosome Y in primates.’ Chromosoma 107:241–246.
Britten, R.J. 2002. ‘Divergence between samples of chimpanzee and human DNA sequences is 5% counting indels.’ Proceedings National Academy Science 99:13633–13635.
Fujiyama, A., Watanabe, H., Toyoda, A., Taylor, T.D., Itoh, T., Tsai, S.F., Park, H.S., Yaspo, M.L., Lehrach, H., Chen, Z., Fu, G., Saitou, N., Osoegawa, K., de Jong, P.J., Suto, Y., Hattori, M., and Sakaki, Y. 2002. ‘Construction and analysis of a Human-Chimpanzee Comparative Clone Map.’ Science 295:131–134.
Gagneux, P. and Varki, A. 2001. ‘Genetic differences between humans and great apes.’ Mol Phylogenet Evol 18:2–13.
Gibbons, A. 1998. ‘Which of our genes make us human?’ Science 281:1432–1434.
Heyer, E., Zietkeiwicz, E., Rochowski, A., Yotova, V., Puymirat, J., and Labuda D. 2001. ‘Phylogenetic and familial estimates of mitochondrial substitution rates: study of control region mutation in deep-rooting pedigrees.’ Am J Hum Genet 69:1113–1126.
Kakuo, S., Asaoka, K. and Ide, T. 1999. ‘Human is a unique species among primates in terms of telomere length.’ Biochem Biophys Res Commun 263:308–314.
Knight, A., Batzer, M.A., Stoneking, M., Tiwari, H.K., Scheer, W.D., Herrera, R.J., and Deninger, P.L. 1996. ‘DNA sequences of Alu elements indicate a recent replacement of the human autosomal genetic complement.’ Proc. Natl Acad Sci USA 93:4360–4364.
Parsons T.J., Muniec, D.S., Sullivan, K., Woodyatt, N., Alliston-Greiner, R., Wilson, M.R., Berry, D.L., Holland, K.A., Weedn, V.W., Gill, P., and M.M. Holland. 1997. A high observed substitution rate in the human mitochondrial DNA control region. Nat. Genet. 15:363–368.
Sigurgardottir, S., Helgason, A., Gulcher, J.R., Stefansson, K., and Donnelly P. 2000. ‘The mutation rate in the human mtDNA control region.’ Am J Hum Genet 66:1599–1609.

http://creation.com/greater-than-98-chimp-human-dna-similarity-not-any-more

read on and cease repeating stupidity , yet either way be at peace

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Reply #24 - Sep 19th, 2016 at 7:20am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2016 at 7:09am:
Humans did Not Descend from Apes but

we had a common ancestor.

That's why our DNA is 99% the same as Chimps.


many blessings sir bobby ,

if you propose to be an authority upon this topic ,

and not simply regurgitating false and retarded teachings from despotic freemasons

please explain the missing chromosomes

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Figure 2: Evolutionary Map of Human Divergence Following Chromosome 2 Fusion.


So, if humans were not a split from the ape lineage in evolutionary theory, there are two other explanations for the appearance of human chromosome 2. The first explanation is that an intelligent designer created humans with 48 chromosomes, but they underwent the fusion sometime following Creation. At first glance, this explanation might appear to be a combination of creation and evolution—but only if “evolution” is defined as microevolution. Let us assume that God created humans with a diploid number of 48 chromosomes, and that they were in all respects the same as humans today except in chromosome number. Later, a fusion occurred between two chromosomes to give humans 46 chromosomes just like ourselves. This would be an example of microevolution. A genetic change occurred, but did not alter the species by creating a new distinct species. Unfortunately, this explanation holds up no better than that of the evolutionist’s common ancestry theory. As described above, the problems of infertility, low survival fitness, and the absence of humans with 48 chromosomes today make this explanation improbable for the appearance of chromosome 2. It could be argued that Noah or his wife (Genesis 6) contained the chromosome 2 fusion and thus repopulated the Earth following the great Flood with this genomic alteration. If Noah or his wife contained a fusion of chromosomes 2A and 2B, then their offspring would have a 50% chance of receiving this chromosome. Then, offspring from their sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth, would have only a 25% chance of receiving the altered chromosome 2. With each successive generation, the probability of maintaining the altered chromosome would reduce by one-half. These genetic frequencies of passage to offspring, coupled with the likelihood of infertility and genetic syndromes, make the Noah hypothesis unlikely as well.

The only remaining explanation for the similarity of human chromosome 2 to chromosomes 2A and 2B in the chimpanzee is that God created mankind with 46 chromosomes including a second chromosome with the visible characteristics that we see today. No evidence or any line of rational thought can explain how a single human underwent a genetic chromosomal fusion and passed that alteration to all of mankind—except that he was created by God at the beginning, along with woman, with that chromosomal makeup.

Atheists have asked why God would purposefully create a human chromosome that “looks” like the fusion of two chromosomes. At this stage of understanding, we do not know. Recall God’s words: “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:8-9, ESV). Eliphaz rightly stated: “He catches the wise in their own craftiness, and the schemes of the wily are brought to a quick end” (Job 5:13, ESV). We cannot know God’s intentions for creating us as we exist, nor can we know why He created chimpanzees with such close genetic similarities to humans. We can know, however, that despite the close similarities in genetics, anatomy, physiology, and biochemistry between Homo sapiens and Pan troglodytes, man can think and reason far beyond the chimpanzee or any other living organism. (It is doubtful that genetics will ever solely explain that difference.) But, the greatest difference will always be that man alone has an immortal soul which is yet another created gift from God.

We will continue to learn as we delve deeper into our studies of biology and the living world. We may well discover an explanation. But, there will always be questions which cannot be answered, puzzles which cannot be solved. While God has placed some of His creation beyond our ability to discover, He has left other parts of it for us to ponder. What we can know is that the evolutionists’ “argument” regarding chromosome 2 in no way proves that humans evolved from apes.

REFERENCES

Bowers, Evelyn J. (2003), “Chromosomal Speciation,” Science, 301[5634]: 764-5.

Forrest, Barbara and Kenneth R. Miller (2009), “The Evolution of Creationism,” Experimental Biology 2009, [On-line], URL: http://www.eb2009.org/.

Kitzmiller vs. Dover Area School District (2005), Case No. 04cv2688, [On-line], URL: http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmiller/kitzmiller_342.pdf.

Weinberg Johannes, et al. (1994), “The Origin of Human Chromosome 2 Analyzed by Comparative Chromo-some Mapping with a DNA Micro-library,” Chromosome Research, 2:405-410.
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Reply #25 - Sep 19th, 2016 at 7:31am
 
http://janegoodall.ca/get-involved/a-little-laughter-goes-a-long-way-2/

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Chimps Laugh when Tickled: Similarities Between Humans and Other Species
May 16, 2013 · by Guest Contributor · in Endangered Chimpanzees

Written by Guest Contributor, Jesse Hildebrand.

Chimpanzees laugh when tickled.  That’s right – for those stealthy and foolhardy enough to sneak up on a chimp, it is indeed possible to tickle it into submission.  Chimpanzees are of course our closest living relatives, and, having only split off from humankind in the history of life about 6 million years ago they share nearly 99% of our DNA.  There are, of course, many differences between the two species;  we stand on two legs, we have bigger brains, we are relatively hairless and yes, we like hockey.  However, it seems the more we discover about our closest cousins, the more we realize we are alike.
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The first time it was firmly argued that we are cousins came of course with the publication of On the Origin of Species.  Detractors of that theory posed that our brains were different, that we had something that they didn’t – the seat of the soul, perhaps.  Of course, as it turns out, our brains are structurally identical even if ours are larger.  In fact, our whole bodies are the same, same bones, same muscles, and for sticklers the same number of fingers and toes.  As time went on and more research came to light, it became uncanny just how much we shared.  Chimpanzees use tools, they hunt in groups, they share, they play, they empathize and yes, they laugh.  Chimpanzee research did a great deal to show just how much we share with the animal kingdom, or alternatively, just how much they share with us.  In time, more and more animals were found to have these traits.  Rats are empathetic, bats share, bears play and over twenty other species use tools.

One of the best lines on just how close other animals are to us comes from David Attenborough. Then a young presenter doing his first full series, he went to see the mountain gorillas of Rwanda – “There is perhaps more meaning and mutual understanding in exchanging a glance with a gorilla than with any other animal I know.  We are so similar, their sight, their hearing, their sense of smell are so similar to ours that we see the world as they do.”  Whether a gorilla, a chimpanzee, an orangutan or any of the other species that share the world with us, it is worth reflecting on the astounding number of similarities we share rather than the differences that separate us.

There are few things more human than tickling.  The fun, the playfulness, the only time you can yell “STOP!” and not mean it.  And yet, chimpanzees do it too.  Whether sharing nearly 99% of our DNA as they do or not, nothing reinforces our connection to nature better than that to me.
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 19th, 2016 at 7:31am:
http://janegoodall.ca/get-involved/a-little-laughter-goes-a-long-way-2/

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Chimps Laugh when Tickled: Similarities Between Humans and Other Species
May 16, 2013 · by Guest Contributor · in Endangered Chimpanzees

Written by Guest Contributor, Jesse Hildebrand.

Chimpanzees laugh when tickled.  That’s right – for those stealthy and foolhardy enough to sneak up on a chimp, it is indeed possible to tickle it into submission.  Chimpanzees are of course our closest living relatives, and, having only split off from humankind in the history of life about 6 million years ago they share nearly 99% of our DNA.  There are, of course, many differences between the two species;  we stand on two legs, we have bigger brains, we are relatively hairless and yes, we like hockey.  However, it seems the more we discover about our closest cousins, the more we realize we are alike.
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The first time it was firmly argued that we are cousins came of course with the publication of On the Origin of Species.  Detractors of that theory posed that our brains were different, that we had something that they didn’t – the seat of the soul, perhaps.  Of course, as it turns out, our brains are structurally identical even if ours are larger.  In fact, our whole bodies are the same, same bones, same muscles, and for sticklers the same number of fingers and toes.  As time went on and more research came to light, it became uncanny just how much we shared.  Chimpanzees use tools, they hunt in groups, they share, they play, they empathize and yes, they laugh.  Chimpanzee research did a great deal to show just how much we share with the animal kingdom, or alternatively, just how much they share with us.  In time, more and more animals were found to have these traits.  Rats are empathetic, bats share, bears play and over twenty other species use tools.

One of the best lines on just how close other animals are to us comes from David Attenborough. Then a young presenter doing his first full series, he went to see the mountain gorillas of Rwanda – “There is perhaps more meaning and mutual understanding in exchanging a glance with a gorilla than with any other animal I know.  We are so similar, their sight, their hearing, their sense of smell are so similar to ours that we see the world as they do.”  Whether a gorilla, a chimpanzee, an orangutan or any of the other species that share the world with us, it is worth reflecting on the astounding number of similarities we share rather than the differences that separate us.

There are few things more human than tickling.  The fun, the playfulness, the only time you can yell “STOP!” and not mean it.  And yet, chimpanzees do it too.  Whether sharing nearly 99% of our DNA as they do or not, nothing reinforces our connection to nature better than that to me.


many blessings sir bobby ,

it does not suprise one such as I am that you think your link comprises evidence ...

you are way out of your depth here now please provide scientific evidence to refute this established fact

http://creation.com/greater-than-98-chimp-human-dna-similarity-not-any-more

Greater than 98% Chimp/human DNA similarity? Not any more.

A common evolutionary argument gets reevaluated—by evolutionists themselves.

by David DeWitt

A new report in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences suggests that the common value of >98% similarity of DNA between chimp and humans is incorrect.2 Roy Britten, author of the study, puts the figure at about 95% when insertions and deletions are included. Importantly, there is much more to these studies than people realize.

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Britten, R.J. 2002. ‘Divergence between samples of chimpanzee and human DNA sequences is 5% counting indels.’ Proceedings National Academy Science 99:13633–13635.
Fujiyama, A., Watanabe, H., Toyoda, A., Taylor, T.D., Itoh, T., Tsai, S.F., Park, H.S., Yaspo, M.L., Lehrach, H., Chen, Z., dam you, G., Saitou, N., Osoegawa, K., de Jong, P.J., Suto, Y., Hattori, M., and Sakaki, Y. 2002. ‘Construction and analysis of a Human-Chimpanzee Comparative Clone Map.’ Science 295:131–134.
Gagneux, P. and Varki, A. 2001. ‘Genetic differences between humans and great apes.’ Mol Phylogenet Evol 18:2–13.
Gibbons, A. 1998. ‘Which of our genes make us human?’ Science 281:1432–1434.
Heyer, E., Zietkeiwicz, E., Rochowski, A., Yotova, V., Puymirat, J., and Labuda D. 2001. ‘Phylogenetic and familial estimates of mitochondrial substitution rates: study of control region mutation in deep-rooting pedigrees.’ Am J Hum Genet 69:1113–1126.
Kakuo, S., Asaoka, K. and Ide, T. 1999. ‘Human is a unique species among primates in terms of telomere length.’ Biochem Biophys Res Commun 263:308–314.
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Parsons T.J., Muniec, D.S., Sullivan, K., Woodyatt, N., Alliston-Greiner, R., Wilson, M.R., Berry, D.L., Holland, K.A., Weedn, V.W., Gill, P., ....
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Reply #27 - Sep 19th, 2016 at 7:43am
 
many blessings ,

let us conduct a simple test .. if any can answer this question I would be glad to see the product of your intellect ...

question 1 .
What percentage of brain capacity do humans use?
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Reply #28 - Sep 19th, 2016 at 8:29am
 
I tend to trust David Attenborough.

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Re: Hu-man Did Not Descend from Apes
Reply #29 - Sep 19th, 2016 at 11:09am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 19th, 2016 at 7:43am:
many blessings ,

let us conduct a simple test .. if any can answer this question I would be glad to see the product of your intellect ...

question 1 .
What percentage of brain capacity do humans use?



100%
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Re: Hu-man Did Not Descend from Apes
Reply #30 - Sep 19th, 2016 at 11:27am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 19th, 2016 at 11:09am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 19th, 2016 at 7:43am:
many blessings ,

let us conduct a simple test .. if any can answer this question I would be glad to see the product of your intellect ...

question 1 .
What percentage of brain capacity do humans use?



100%


this does not make any sense pastafarian ..

for if you did you would not let mad scientists inject mercury and squalene into your system through vaccines however yes

you are correct rather than the idiocy taught that you use 16 or so % ... and yet

why do you not teach this to your students rather than the scientific narrative ?

further I would suggest you start using as much and cleanse your system of toxic heavy metals , yet either way

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Re: Hu-man Did Not Descend from Apes
Reply #31 - Sep 19th, 2016 at 11:47am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 19th, 2016 at 11:27am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 19th, 2016 at 11:09am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 19th, 2016 at 7:43am:
many blessings ,

let us conduct a simple test .. if any can answer this question I would be glad to see the product of your intellect ...

question 1 .
What percentage of brain capacity do humans use?



100%


this does not make any sense pastafarian ..

for if you did you would not let mad scientists inject mercury and squalene into your system through vaccines however yes

you are correct rather than the idiocy taught that you use 16 or so % ... and yet

why do you not teach this to your students rather than the scientific narrative ?

further I would suggest you start using as much and cleanse your system of toxic heavy metals , yet either way

be at peace

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Because the scientific narrative has never said 16%. Thats a common myth.
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Reply #32 - Sep 20th, 2016 at 9:19am
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_percent_of_the_brain_myth

Ten percent of the brain myth

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...

The 10 percent of the brain myth is the widely perpetuated urban legend that most or all humans only make use of 10 percent (or some other small percentage) of their brains. It has been misattributed to many people, including Albert Einstein.[1] By extrapolation, it is suggested that a person may harness this unused potential and increase intelligence.

Changes in grey and white matter following new experiences and learning have been shown, but it has not yet been proven what the changes are.[2] The popular notion that large parts of the brain remain unused, and could subsequently be "activated", rests in popular folklore and not science. Though mysteries regarding brain function remain—e.g. memory, consciousness—the physiology of brain mapping suggests that all areas of the brain have a function.[3][4]

Origin[edit]
One possible origin is the reserve energy theories by Harvard psychologists William James and Boris Sidis in the 1890s who tested the theory in the accelerated raising of child prodigy William Sidis; thereafter, James told audiences that people only meet a fraction of their full mental potential, which is a plausible claim.[5] In 1936, American writer Lowell Thomas summarized this idea (in a foreword to Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People) by adding a falsely precise percentage: "Professor William James of Harvard used to say that the average man develops only ten percent of his latent mental ability".[6] This book was not the first to use the 10 percent figure, which was already circulating within the self-help movement before then; for example, the book Mind Myths: Exploring Popular Assumptions About the Mind and Brain includes a chapter on the ten percent myth which shows a self-help advertisement from the 1929 World Almanac containing the line "There is NO LIMIT to what the human brain can accomplish. Scientists and psychologists tell us we use only about TEN PERCENT of our brain power."[7]

In the 1970s, psychologist and educator Georgi Lozanov proposed the teaching method of suggestopedia believing "that we might be using only five to ten percent of our mental capacity".[8][9] The origin of the myth has also been attributed to Wilder Penfield, the U.S.-born neurosurgeon who was the first director of Montreal Neurological Institute of McGill University.[10]

According to a related origin story, the ten percent myth most likely arose from a misunderstanding (or misrepresentation) of neurological research in the late 19th century or early 20th century. For example, the functions of many brain regions (especially in the cerebral cortex) are complex enough that the effects of damage are subtle, leading early neurologists to wonder what these regions did.[11] The brain was also discovered to consist mostly of glial cells, which seemed to have very minor functions. Dr. James W. Kalat, author of the textbook Biological Psychology, points out that neuroscientists in the 1930s knew about the large number of "local" neurons in the brain. The misunderstanding of the function of local neurons may have led to the ten percent myth.[12] The myth might have been propagated simply by a truncation of the idea that some use a small percentage of their brains at any given time.[1] In the same article in Scientific American, John Henley, a neurologist at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota states: "Evidence would show over a day you use 100 percent of the brain".[1]

Although parts of the brain have broadly understood functions, many mysteries remain about how brain cells (i.e., neurons and glia) work together to produce complex behaviors and disorders. Perhaps the broadest, most mysterious question is how diverse regions of the brain collaborate to form conscious experiences. So far, there is no evidence that there is one site for consciousness, which leads experts to believe that it is truly a collective neural effort. Therefore, as with James's idea that humans have untapped cognitive potential, it may be that a large number of questions about the brain have not been fully answered.[1]

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Analysis[edit]
Neurologist Barry Gordon describes the myth as false, adding, "we use virtually every part of the brain, and that (most of) the brain is active almost all the time."[1] Neuroscientist Barry Beyerstein sets out seven kinds of evidence refuting the ten percent myth:[13]

Studies of brain damage: If 10 percent of the brain is normally used, then damage to these areas should not impair performance. Instead, there is almost no area of the brain that can be damaged without loss of abilities. Even slight damage to small areas of the brain can have profound effects.
Brain scans have shown that no matter what one is doing, all brain areas are always active. Some areas are more active at any one time than others, but barring brain damage, there is no part of the brain that is absolutely not functioning.
The brain is enormously costly to the rest of the body, in terms of oxygen and nutrient consumption. It can require up to 20 percent of the body's energy—more than any other organ—despite making up only 2 percent of the human body by weight.[14][15] If 90 percent of it were unnecessary, there would be a large survival advantage to humans with smaller, more efficient brains. If this were true, the process of natural selection would have eliminated the inefficient brains. It is also highly unlikely that a brain with so much redundant matter would have evolved in the first place; given the historical risk of death in childbirth associated with the large brain size (and therefore skull size) of humans,[16] there would be a strong selection pressure against such a large brain size if only 10 percent was actually in use.
Brain imaging (neuroimaging): Technologies such as positron emission tomography (PET) and functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) allow the activity of the living brain to be monitored. They reveal that even during sleep, all parts of the brain show some level of activity. Only in the case of serious damage does a brain have "silent" areas.
Localization of function: Rather than acting as a single mass, the brain has distinct regions for different kinds of information processing. Decades of research have gone into mapping functions onto areas of the brain, and no function-less areas have been found.
Microstructural analysis: In the single-unit recording technique, researchers insert a tiny electrode into the brain to monitor the activity of a single cell. If 90 percent of cells were unused, then this technique would have revealed that.
Synaptic pruning: Brain cells that are not used have a tendency to degenerate. Hence if 90 percent of the brain were inactive, autopsy of normal adult brains would reveal large-scale degeneration.

In popular culture[edit]
Several books, films, and short stories have been written closely related to this myth. They include the novel The Dark Fields, its film adaptation, the 9th book (White Night) of Jim Butcher's book series The Dresden Files, Limitless (claiming 20 percent rather than the typical 10 percent), and the 2014 film Lucy, all of which operate under the notion that the rest of the brain could be accessed through use of a drug.[17] Lucy, in particular, depicts a character who gains increasingly godlike abilities once she surpasses 10 percent, though the film suggests that 10 percent represents brain capacity at a particular time rather than permanent usage.

The myth is "busted" on an October 27, 2010 episode of MythBusters. The hosts used magnetoencephalography and functional magnetic resonance imaging to scan the brain of someone attempting a complicated mental task, and found that over 10%
but less than 20% of the brain was used.
[citation needed]

The 10 percent brain myth occurs frequently in advertisements,[18] and in entertainment media it is often cited as if it were fact.[19]

Some New Age proponents propagate the "ten percent of the brain" belief by asserting that the "unused" ninety percent of the human brain is capable of exhibiting psychic powers and can be trained to perform psychokinesis and extra-sensory perception.[3][13] There is no scientifically verified body of evidence supporting the existence of such powers.[13]

In 1980, Roger Lewin published an article in Science, "Is Your Brain Really Necessary?",[20] about studies by John Lorber on cerebral cortex losses. He reports the case of a Sheffield University student who had a measured IQ of 126 and passed a Mathematics Degree but who had hardly any discernible brain matter at all since his cortex was extremely reduced by hydrocephalus. The article led to the broadcast of a Yorkshire Television documentary of the same title, although it was about a different patient who had normal brain mass distributed in an unusual way in a very large skull,.[21]
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Re: Hu-man Did Not Descend from Apes
Reply #34 - Sep 20th, 2016 at 9:28am
 
If this were true, the process of natural selection would have eliminated the inefficient brains. It is also highly unlikely that a brain with so much redundant matter would have evolved in the first place; given the historical risk of death in childbirth associated with the large brain size (and therefore skull size) of humans,[16] there would be a strong selection pressure against such a large brain size if only 10 percent was actually in use.


I thought you thought evolution was false.
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Reply #35 - Sep 20th, 2016 at 11:53am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 20th, 2016 at 9:28am:
If this were true, the process of natural selection would have eliminated the inefficient brains. It is also highly unlikely that a brain with so much redundant matter would have evolved in the first place; given the historical risk of death in childbirth associated with the large brain size (and therefore skull size) of humans,[16] there would be a strong selection pressure against such a large brain size if only 10 percent was actually in use.


I thought you thought evolution was false.


as usual pastafarian

your brain is mercury addled , a result of your vaccine addiction .

this has a direct effect on your mind and the ability to discern fact and logic in your reality

I have merely exposed the common myth and revealed the applicable data that embodies mainstream thought and now ,

you may have the care to explain how Hu-mans have come to embody 46 chromosomes which make up their nuclear DNA genome, the diploid number, from the 48 chromosomes or 24 pairs from an alleged " common ancestor "

you can cease with your semantics within inanity and answer the question that confronts your evolution theory .

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http://apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=801

In contrast, as that same common ancestor evolved into a human, two of the 48 chromosomes underwent a genetic malfunction and were fused together to produce a new species with a diploid number of 46.

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Figure 1: Evolutionary Map of Proposed Ape and Human Descent. Note the chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes) and the bonobo or pigmy chimpanzee are grouped together.


There are problems with this explanation. First, this hypothesis openly assumes that the chromosomal fusion took place after humans supposedly split from the apes in the proposed evolutionary tree. Allegedly at some point in the past, a human ancestor’s DNA underwent a genetic fusion between two of its chromosomes. This event occurred in no other species. Does this provide evidence that humans share a common ancestor with apes? No. This line of thinking provides no empirical evidence that humans and apes share a common ancestor. All that it really does is suggest that a past human may have undergone this genetic change. In order for this fusion event to demonstrate common ancestry with the chimpanzee, there would have to be some link between the fusion event and the great apes. But no such link exists. The fused-looking chromosome is specific to humans, so it does not directly connect with the great apes. Therefore, it cannot be empirical evidence for a common link between Homo sapiens and the great apes. The only genetic “link” (which is no link at all) between humans and the apes is our close DNA sequence similarity. But this similarity is completely expected given the similar body structure, physiology, and biochemistry that we share with our primate friends. In reality, DNA sequence similarity is just as much evidence for common design as it is for evolution. In actuality, neither viewpoint is proven by the matter of similarity.

For the sake of argument, let us assume that evolutionists are correct and a distant human ancestor with 48 chromosomes did evolve into a new species with 46 chromosomes via the chromosome 2 fusion event. Did this event occur in a single individual or simultaneously in an entire population? Mutations of this nature are certainly rare, but they do occur occasionally. However, the probability that this mutation would occur simultaneously in multiple individuals is so staggeringly low that we can assume its impossibility. At best, the mutation occurred in a single individual. How then was it propagated from one individual to his or her offspring and eventually to every human? Chromosomal rearrangements of this nature are not easily passed to offspring. When mutations of this magnitude occur, they pose serious problems for an organism when the process of gamete production occurs. Gametes are the egg and sperm cells used to form a new individual during sexual reproduction. The process of generating gametes is a special form of cell division known as meiosis. During this process, a specific alignment of chromosomal pairs always occurs and is essential for meiosis. This alignment is dependent on the near-identical structure and sequence of chromosomal pairs. If an individual carries a mutation such as a chromosomal fusion, then he or she will often be unable to produce gametes, because meiosis will fail to occur properly due to improper alignment of the now non-identical chromosome pairs. Today, we know chromosomal fusion to be one cause of infertility. In some cases, meiosis can find a way to complete despite non-identical chromosomal pairs. However, the gametes that result, or the offspring produced by fertilization with these gametes, usually have a short lifespan due to genetic problems. Problems associated with chromosomal alignment lead to spontaneous miscarriages and genetic abnormalities such as Down’s Syndrome.

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Reply #36 - Sep 20th, 2016 at 11:56am
 
A third problem with the hypothesis of a chromosomal fusion in human ancestry lies in the complete absence of humans with 48 chromosomes. If it were true that a chromosomal split occurred in human evolution, then two distinct human groups would have been generated: one containing 48 chromosomes which were not altered by any genetic change, and a second containing 46 chromosomes including the fusion of chromosome 2 (Figure 2). The problem is, however, that no humans have 48 chromosomes. The only possible historical explanation is that an entire population of 48-chromosome humans became extinct and was replaced by a 46-chromosome human race. For this scenario to have occurred, a very strong positive selection must have favored the diploid number of 46 over that of 48 (Bowers, 2003). Unfortunately for evolutionists, the paradox is that the same selection would be expected for the other apes as well. Apes, however, maintained a chromosome number of 48. Because of the known problems of infertility that go along with large genomic rearrangements, natural selection would actually operate against this proposed chromosomal fusion. The fitness for survival for such individuals would be extremely low. Taken together, no evidence supports common ancestry between humans and chimpanzees via chromosome 2 fusion.

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Figure 2: Evolutionary Map of Human Divergence Following Chromosome 2 Fusion.


So, if humans were not a split from the ape lineage in evolutionary theory, there are two other explanations for the appearance of human chromosome 2. The first explanation is that an intelligent designer created humans with 48 chromosomes, but they underwent the fusion sometime following Creation. At first glance, this explanation might appear to be a combination of creation and evolution—but only if “evolution” is defined as microevolution. Let us assume that God created humans with a diploid number of 48 chromosomes, and that they were in all respects the same as humans today except in chromosome number. Later, a fusion occurred between two chromosomes to give humans 46 chromosomes just like ourselves. This would be an example of microevolution. A genetic change occurred, but did not alter the species by creating a new distinct species. Unfortunately, this explanation holds up no better than that of the evolutionist’s common ancestry theory. As described above, the problems of infertility, low survival fitness, and the absence of humans with 48 chromosomes today make this explanation improbable for the appearance of chromosome 2. It could be argued that Noah or his wife (Genesis 6) contained the chromosome 2 fusion and thus repopulated the Earth following the great Flood with this genomic alteration. If Noah or his wife contained a fusion of chromosomes 2A and 2B, then their offspring would have a 50% chance of receiving this chromosome. Then, offspring from their sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth, would have only a 25% chance of receiving the altered chromosome 2. With each successive generation, the probability of maintaining the altered chromosome would reduce by one-half. These genetic frequencies of passage to offspring, coupled with the likelihood of infertility and genetic syndromes, make the Noah hypothesis unlikely as well.

The only remaining explanation for the similarity of human chromosome 2 to chromosomes 2A and 2B in the chimpanzee is that God created mankind with 46 chromosomes including a second chromosome with the visible characteristics that we see today. No evidence or any line of rational thought can explain how a single human underwent a genetic chromosomal fusion and passed that alteration to all of mankind—except that he was created by God at the beginning, along with woman, with that chromosomal makeup.

Atheists have asked why God would purposefully create a human chromosome that “looks” like the fusion of two chromosomes. At this stage of understanding, we do not know. Recall God’s words: “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:8-9, ESV). Eliphaz rightly stated: “He catches the wise in their own craftiness, and the schemes of the wily are brought to a quick end” (Job 5:13, ESV). We cannot know God’s intentions for creating us as we exist, nor can we know why He created chimpanzees with such close genetic similarities to humans. We can know, however, that despite the close similarities in genetics, anatomy, physiology, and biochemistry between Homo sapiens and Pan troglodytes, man can think and reason far beyond the chimpanzee or any other living organism. (It is doubtful that genetics will ever solely explain that difference.) But, the greatest difference will always be that man alone has an immortal soul which is yet another created gift from God.

We will continue to learn as we delve deeper into our studies of biology and the living world. We may well discover an explanation. But, there will always be questions which cannot be answered, puzzles which cannot be solved. While God has placed some of His creation beyond our ability to discover, He has left other parts of it for us to ponder. What we can know is that the evolutionists’ “argument” regarding chromosome 2 in no way proves that humans evolved from apes.

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Reply #37 - Sep 20th, 2016 at 2:19pm
 
1. You've stolen from a creationist website
2. Many organisms have more chromosomes than us. Ciliated protozoa (look that up) have many more chromosomes


There is lots of evidence for the fusion of two chromosomes to get our chromosome 2

1. Near-identical DNA sequences between our chromosome 2 and chimp DNA that is found in two distinct chromosomes
2. Remnants of a 2nd centromere in chromosome 2
3. Remants of telomere in the middle of chromosome 2 instead of at the ends of the chromosome like nromal.


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Reply #38 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 2:25am
 
many blessings pastafarian ,

the reason I do not listen to you is because you have no logic that can refute these facts

1. it is not theft , its called evidence and contributing data and information applicable to the title thread .. you falsely call this theft

2. you attempt to say many other organisms have more chromosomes to distract this topic in specificity 46 ( 23 pairs ) to 48 ( 24 pairs ) chromosomes HUman and chimp/ape respectively ..

1. Near-identical DNA sequences between our chromosome 2 and chimp DNA that is found in two distinct chromosomes

a. this is in direct contrast to the International Weekly Journal of Science in specificity here

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v463/n7280/full/nature08700.html

Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes are remarkably divergent in structure and gene content

even after all their extensive tests they found that:

- The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have at least 78 genes and Chimpanzees have only 37.

- The Y chromosomes of Chimpanzees and humans are radically different in the arrangement of their genes.

Both of these facts make it impossible for apes to have evolved into humans because there are no genetic mechanisms that would account for the vast differences between the ape and human Y chromosomes.


In order for apes to add genes, they would have to have a genetic mechanism to generate new genes and insert them into their chromosomes.

But apes do not have any "gene generating system."

Nor do apes have a "gene insertion system."



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Reply #39 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 2:28am
 
lets explore more facts

http://www.darwinconspiracy.com/

NEW SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERIES PROVE DARWIN WAS WRONG


Researchers in genetics and embryology are learning something new every day.  The more they learn, the more obvious it becomes that it is impossible for humans to have evolved from apes.

We wish to reiterate and emphasize that this website will inform you about the latest scientific discoveries based on peer reviewed research papers published in the most respected scientific journals.

For purposes of clarity and ease of writing, on this website, we will use the term "Darwin Busters" to refer to scientific evidence that strongly contradict "ape to human evolution" theory.

Since 2001, many scientists conducting research in genetics and embryology have discovered more than just a few Darwin Busters.

Here are four Darwin Busters:

Darwin Buster One: Darwinians have been dead wrong whenever they have claimed that the "genetic matter of ape and humans is 98% identical." The ape and human chromosomes are remarkably divergent and too different for "ape to human evolution" theory to adequately explain.  For example, the human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the chimpanzee Y chromosome and the chromosome structures are not at all similar.

Darwin Buster Two: There are laws of embryology that directly contradict "ape to human evolution."  One reason is that genes work together in teams to form body parts during embryonic development.  This makes it impossible to add genes to any genome because there is no way to coordinate any new gene with existing genes.  Yet "ape to human evolution" requires apes and humans to be able to add genes - for example, the chimpanzee Y chromosome has 37 genes and the human Y chromosome has at least 78 genes.

Darwin Buster Three: The laws of genetics prevent "ape to human evolution" from ever taking place.  One reason is there is no genetic mechanism that creates new genes.  But "ape to human evolution" relies on apes and humans having the ability to create new genes with new functions.  New genes are required in order to have morphological changes, such as gills into lungs or more efficient brains.  So called "gene duplication" is not evidence that organisms can create new genes.  Although bacteria can duplicate existing genes by mistake through "gene duplication," this only occurs in single sex bacteria and this is not evidence that apes and humans can create new genes with new functions.

Darwin Buster Four:  Darwinians have no explanation for why humans and apes have a different number of chromosomes.  Darwinians claim that "chromosome fusion" of two ape chromosomes into a single chromosome resulted in humans having only 23 pairs of chromosomes while apes have 24 pairs.  But there is not one example of "chromosome fusion" in mammals.  Darwinians claim that 1 in 1000 human babies have a "fused chromosome" but this is an out and out lie.  They are actually referring to Robertsonian Translocations, which are "translocations" and not fused chromosomes and does not result in a change in the chromosome number.  Besides, scientifically derived facts refute "chromosome fusion" can occur in apes or humans.

We have just provided you with a summary of four Darwin Busters.  Each one busts and invalidates "ape to human evolution."

But of course almost all atheist scientists refuse to admit any of them because they worship Darwin   And almost all scientists are atheists because people of faith no longer seek careers in science.

Also, you probably have not even read any news about any of this because there is a very powerful worldwide atheist Darwin Conspiracy that actively suppresses the truth about evolution and instead spreads lies.

This is why we created this website.  We are here to combat the Darwin Conspiracy and bring you the scientific information you need to make your own judgment about "ape to human evolution" theory.

To help you to begin to understand the truth about "ape to human evolution" theory, we prepared the following short summary of the theory, and we provide you with some details about the first Darwin Buster we listed above.  In the future, about every five weeks, we will add details about the other three Darwin Busters.
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APE AND HUMAN CHROMOSOMES ARE NOT 98% IDENTICAL

BUT ARE TOO DIFFERENT FOR EVOLUTION TO EXPLAIN

Scientists in genetics and embryology are learning something new every day.

One of the things we now know is Darwinians were lying to us when they insisted that the genetic matter of apes and humans are 98% identical.

During the last 12 years, there has been a steady flow of scientific discoveries informing us that Chimpanzee and human chromosomes are so remarkably different that it is inconceivable for the ape genome to evolve into the human genome.  For example:

In 2010, Nature published a scientific paper entitled "Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes are remarkably divergent in structure and gene content." (Nature, by the way, is the most respected peer reviewed scientific journal for evolutionary genetics.)

The paper was the product of several teams of well-respected geneticists all of whom were fervent supporters of "ape to human evolution."

Nonetheless, they found that:

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have at least 78 genes and Chimpanzees have only 37.

The Y chromosomes of Chimpanzees and humans are radically different in the arrangement of their genes.

Both of these facts make it impossible for apes to have evolved into humans because there are no genetic mechanisms that would account for the vast differences between the ape and human Y chromosomes.

Below are maps of the Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes:

...

The top map is the Chimpanzee Y chromosome and the lower map is the human Y chromosome.

"Ape to human evolution" theory asserts that the Chimpanzee Y chromosome (top one) evolved into the human Y chromosome (the lower one) and few changes were necessary.

That is obviously baloney - there is no way that could have happened. 

There is no genetic mechanism that could have rearranged the genes in the Chimpanzee Y chromosome to become the human Y chromosome.

The two chromosomes are so different it is like comparing the chromosomes of humans to those of chickens.

The regions of both chromosomes are color coded to identify the gene family or DNA type as follows (MSY means male specific region of the Y chromosome):

...

APE TO HUMAN EVOLUTION IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE

APES AND HUMANS CANNOT ADD GENES TO THEIR GENOMES


The same research paper also revealed that the human Y chromosome has at least 35 more genes than the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Below is the gene table:

...

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have 41 more genes.

This means that in order for the ape Y chromosome to evolve into the human Y chromosome, apes had to add 41 genes.
In order for apes to add genes, they would have to have a genetic mechanism to generate new genes and insert them into their chromosomes.

But apes do not have any "gene generating system."

Nor do apes have a "gene insertion system."


This means that "ape to human evolution" theory is missing the genetic mechanisms necessary for evolution to actually take place.

This is ABSOLUTE CONTRADICTING EVIDENCE that proves "ape to human evolution" is impossible,

and further pastafarian ,

your vaccine addiction and mercury overload has you believing you are the genetic product of a monkey fish

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Reply #41 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 2:45am
 
http://www.darwinconspiracy.com/ape_vs_human.php

EVIDENCE DARWINIANS HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN
ABOUT VAST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN APE AND HUMAN DNA

We have accused Darwinians of willfully lying when they told us “the genetic matter of apes and humans is 99% identical.”

The three sets of diagrams below provide evidence to back up our accusation – the diagrams provide us with side by side comparisons of human and gorilla chromosomes that have been stained with chemicals so we can see “chromosome bands.”

When chromosomes are stained with certain chemicals, different types of DNA will stain in different colors and shades of colors.  The result is chromosomes will show colored “bands” and that gave rise to the term “chromosome banding.”  The colors and depth of colors of chromosome bands also vary depending on the chemical used for staining.

The point is that if two chromosomes do not have identical chromosome banding patterns, they  cannot contain identical DNA.

This first illustration below compares human chromosome 1 side by side with gorilla chromosome 1.  They are obviously not 99% identical.  For example, gorilla chromosome 1 has a medium sized gray banded area at the top  that is entirely missing from the chromosome 1.  Human chromosome 1 has a very wide gray band near the middle but the gorilla gray band in the middle is very narrow, only about one fifth the size.

...

Here is something else we need to understand about chromosome banding:

If chromosome bands are different then it is certain the DNA is different but the reverse is not true because different DNA can stain the same.  An analogy is two parking lots both full of blocks of white vehicles, and blocks of black vehicles.  The color is just one indicator of similarity – but there are white Fords and white BMWs, and some Fords are SUVs and others are sedans.  Similarly, many different genes stain exactly the same color.

Our point is that just because a section of human chromosome is black it does not mean the DNA there is identical to the DNA found in a section of gorilla chromosome that is black in the above diagram.  But if one is white and the other black, then it is a certainty the DNA is different.

Taking all this into consideration, there is no question that the DNA of human chromosome 1 is not anywhere nearly identical to that of gorilla chromosome 1.

Let's compare another pair of chromosomes.

When Darwinians compare human and gorilla chromosomes, they like to use human chromosome 4 as an example, even though they never compare it to gorilla chromosome 4.  Instead, Darwinians compare human chromosome 4 to gorilla chromosome 3.  Darwinians must think we are blind but they claim it is a “nearly identical match.”  Below are diagrams and you can judge for yourself.

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The two chromosomes above are also obviously not identical.  The top parts of the two chromosomes are so different they are simply not comparable.

Let's analyze another set of chromosome comparisons before we give you our conclusions.

...

From 1940's to 1970's there were many studies of the chromosome banding patterns of ape and human chromosomes and they all showed vast differences between the ape and human chromosome banding patterns.  This means Darwinians have known for over 60 years that there are vast differences between ape and human DNA.

That is why Darwinians concocted the phoney concept of “junk DNA.”  By claiming that human and ape DNA is “98% junk DNA,” they could ignore as much as 98% of the DNA that did not match up by claiming it did not count because it was junk.

The fraud of “junk DNA” was very costly to humankind because it stifled true scientific research into genetics for decades - most scientists stopped looking into the 98% of human chromosomes that was labeled as "junk."  But that is where all the true activity is.  If it were not for the “junk DNA” baloney, we may now have a cure for some forms of cancer and many other diseases that are now ravaging humanity worldwide.  The answers are in the “junk DNA.”  But we will explain why in another article.

Additional Sites That Explain Why Darwin Was Wrong

www.discovery.org

www.judgingpbs.com

www.conservapedia.com

www.arn.org

www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org

www.designwatch.org

www.reasons.org

www.scienceagainstevolution.org

www.darwinbusters.com

www.trueorigin.org

www.answersingenesis.org

www.creationscience.com

www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org

www.icr.org

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objections_to_evolution

www.evolutionnews.org

community.beliefnet.com

www.talkorigins.org
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Reply #45 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 6:43am
 
dear master Light,
I was under the impression that long chains of DNA in Chimps & Humans are identical.
They may not be on the same chromosome but the code is basically the same to within 99%.

A good analogy would be 2 vinyl record & CD collectors having basically
the same record collection of songs to within 99%
but they are stacked in different orders on their shelves.

Ye hath been mislead by a religious site.


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The code for a CD is ones & zeros - that is 2 types.

The code for DNA is 4 types:
A (Adenine), T (Thymine), C (Cytostine), and G (Guanine).
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Reply #47 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 1:22pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2016 at 6:43am:
dear master Light,
I was under the impression that long chains of DNA in Chimps & Humans are identical.
They may not be on the same chromosome but the code is basically the same to within 99%.

A good analogy would be 2 vinyl record & CD collectors having basically
the same record collection of songs to within 99%
but they are stacked in different orders on their shelves.

Ye hath been mislead by a religious site.


forgiven

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many blessings sir bobby

your simple and primary school level reply will not suffice here

you think you are a monkey fish , now prove it..

you must rebut the facts presented to back up your
THEORY
of evolution, now look

this is not a religious site

http://www.darwinconspiracy.com/ape_vs_human.php

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Reply #48 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 1:32pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2016 at 6:43am:
The code for a CD is ones & zeros - that is 2 types.

The code for DNA is 4 types:
A (Adenine), T (Thymine), C (Cytostine), and G (Guanine).


many blessings sir bobby

bring your evidence to rebut these facts

APE AND HUMAN CHROMOSOMES ARE NOT 98% IDENTICAL

BUT ARE TOO DIFFERENT FOR EVOLUTION TO EXPLAIN

Scientists in genetics and embryology are learning something new every day.

One of the things we now know is Darwinians were lying to us when they insisted that the genetic matter of apes and humans are 98% identical.

During the last 12 years, there has been a steady flow of scientific discoveries informing us that Chimpanzee and human chromosomes are so remarkably different that it is inconceivable for the ape genome to evolve into the human genome.  For example:

In 2010, Nature published a scientific paper entitled "Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes are remarkably divergent in structure and gene content." (Nature, by the way, is the most respected peer reviewed scientific journal for evolutionary genetics.)

The paper was the product of several teams of well-respected geneticists all of whom were fervent supporters of "ape to human evolution."

Nonetheless, they found that:

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have at least 78 genes and Chimpanzees have only 37.

The Y chromosomes of Chimpanzees and humans are radically different in the arrangement of their genes.

Both of these facts make it impossible for apes to have evolved into humans because there are no genetic mechanisms that would account for the vast differences between the ape and human Y chromosomes.

Below are maps of the Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes:

...

The top map is the Chimpanzee Y chromosome and the lower map is the human Y chromosome.

"Ape to human evolution" theory asserts that the Chimpanzee Y chromosome (top one) evolved into the human Y chromosome (the lower one) and few changes were necessary.

That is obviously baloney - there is no way that could have happened. 

There is no genetic mechanism that could have rearranged the genes in the Chimpanzee Y chromosome to become the human Y chromosome.

The two chromosomes are so different it is like comparing the chromosomes of humans to those of chickens.

The regions of both chromosomes are color coded to identify the gene family or DNA type as follows (MSY means male specific region of the Y chromosome):

...

APE TO HUMAN EVOLUTION IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE

APES AND HUMANS CANNOT ADD GENES TO THEIR GENOMES


The same research paper also revealed that the human Y chromosome has at least 35 more genes than the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Below is the gene table:

...

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have 41 more genes.

This means that in order for the ape Y chromosome to evolve into the human Y chromosome, apes had to add 41 genes.
In order for apes to add genes, they would have to have a genetic mechanism to generate new genes and insert them into their chromosomes.

But apes do not have any "gene generating system."

Nor do apes have a "gene insertion system."


This means that "ape to human evolution" theory is missing the genetic mechanisms necessary for evolution to actually take place.

This is ABSOLUTE CONTRADICTING EVIDENCE that proves "ape to human evolution" is impossible,

...

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Reply #49 - Sep 21st, 2016 at 4:52pm
 
Then master Light,
ye must explaineth why we as humans have gills like a fish when in the embryo stage?

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evodevo_02



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They look the same ergo they are/were the same ... is that the general idea?
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emucorp wrote on Sep 21st, 2016 at 5:04pm:
They look the same ergo they are/were the same ... is that the general idea?


Proof of a common ancestor.
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Reply #52 - Sep 22nd, 2016 at 3:01am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2016 at 4:52pm:
Then master Light,
ye must explaineth why we as humans have gills like a fish when in the embryo stage?



incorrect sir bobby ,

first ye must rebut these proven scientific facts ...

APE AND HUMAN CHROMOSOMES ARE NOT 98% IDENTICAL

BUT ARE TOO DIFFERENT FOR EVOLUTION TO EXPLAIN

Scientists in genetics and embryology are learning something new every day.

One of the things we now know is Darwinians were lying to us when they insisted that the genetic matter of apes and humans are 98% identical.

During the last 12 years, there has been a steady flow of scientific discoveries informing us that Chimpanzee and human chromosomes are so remarkably different that it is inconceivable for the ape genome to evolve into the human genome.  For example:

In 2010, Nature published a scientific paper entitled "Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes are remarkably divergent in structure and gene content." (Nature, by the way, is the most respected peer reviewed scientific journal for evolutionary genetics.)

The paper was the product of several teams of well-respected geneticists all of whom were fervent supporters of "ape to human evolution."

Nonetheless, they found that:

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have at least 78 genes and Chimpanzees have only 37.

The Y chromosomes of Chimpanzees and humans are radically different in the arrangement of their genes.

Both of these facts make it impossible for apes to have evolved into humans because there are no genetic mechanisms that would account for the vast differences between the ape and human Y chromosomes.

Below are maps of the Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes:

...

The top map is the Chimpanzee Y chromosome and the lower map is the human Y chromosome.

"Ape to human evolution" theory asserts that the Chimpanzee Y chromosome (top one) evolved into the human Y chromosome (the lower one) and few changes were necessary.

That is obviously baloney - there is no way that could have happened. 

There is no genetic mechanism that could have rearranged the genes in the Chimpanzee Y chromosome to become the human Y chromosome.

The two chromosomes are so different it is like comparing the chromosomes of humans to those of chickens.

The regions of both chromosomes are color coded to identify the gene family or DNA type as follows (MSY means male specific region of the Y chromosome):

...

APE TO HUMAN EVOLUTION IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE

APES AND HUMANS CANNOT ADD GENES TO THEIR GENOMES


The same research paper also revealed that the human Y chromosome has at least 35 more genes than the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Below is the gene table:

...

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have 41 more genes.

This means that in order for the ape Y chromosome to evolve into the human Y chromosome, apes had to add 41 genes.
In order for apes to add genes, they would have to have a genetic mechanism to generate new genes and insert them into their chromosomes.

But apes do not have any "gene generating system."

Nor do apes have a "gene insertion system."


This means that "ape to human evolution" theory is missing the genetic mechanisms necessary for evolution to actually take place.

This is ABSOLUTE CONTRADICTING EVIDENCE that proves "ape to human evolution" is impossible,

...

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Reply #53 - Sep 22nd, 2016 at 6:57am
 
dear master Light,
I have already explained unto thee your question.
I even used a simple analogy of a record.
Now you must answer mine - about those pesky gills.

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I've always thought we're descended from the abos.  Cool
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Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 7:29am:
I've always thought we've descended from the abos.  Cool



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Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 7:29am:
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Reply #57 - Sep 22nd, 2016 at 9:06am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 6:57am:
dear master Light,
I have already explained unto thee your question.
I even used a simple analogy of a record.
Now you must answer mine - about those pesky gills.

namaste


incorrect sir bobby

first ye must rebut these proven scientific facts, of which

you have failed to do ..

the reason you have failed to rebut these facts is because you cannot ,

and then seek to skip over this lack and failure of yours to move on ... and we will , once you have rebutted these facts , of which ye have failed to do ..

let me remind you your 5th grade level answers will not suffice

you must bring evidence to refute these facts, and so you will address this evidence first which stands as unrebutted fact

1 . Quote:
In order for apes to add genes, they would have to have a genetic mechanism to generate new genes and insert them into their chromosomes.

But apes do not have any "gene generating system."

Nor do apes have a "gene insertion system."


2 . APE AND HUMAN CHROMOSOMES ARE NOT 98% IDENTICAL

BUT ARE TOO DIFFERENT FOR EVOLUTION TO EXPLAIN

Scientists in genetics and embryology are learning something new every day.

One of the things we now know is Darwinians were lying to us when they insisted that the genetic matter of apes and humans are 98% identical.

During the last 12 years, there has been a steady flow of scientific discoveries informing us that Chimpanzee and human chromosomes are so remarkably different that it is inconceivable for the ape genome to evolve into the human genome.  For example:

In 2010, Nature published a scientific paper entitled "Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes are remarkably divergent in structure and gene content." (Nature, by the way, is the most respected peer reviewed scientific journal for evolutionary genetics.)

The paper was the product of several teams of well-respected geneticists all of whom were fervent supporters of "ape to human evolution."

Nonetheless, they found that:

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have at least 78 genes and Chimpanzees have only 37.

The Y chromosomes of Chimpanzees and humans are radically different in the arrangement of their genes.

Both of these facts make it impossible for apes to have evolved into humans because there are no genetic mechanisms that would account for the vast differences between the ape and human Y chromosomes.

Below are maps of the Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes:

...

The top map is the Chimpanzee Y chromosome and the lower map is the human Y chromosome.

"Ape to human evolution" theory asserts that the Chimpanzee Y chromosome (top one) evolved into the human Y chromosome (the lower one) and few changes were necessary.

That is obviously baloney - there is no way that could have happened. 

There is no genetic mechanism that could have rearranged the genes in the Chimpanzee Y chromosome to become the human Y chromosome.

The two chromosomes are so different it is like comparing the chromosomes of humans to those of chickens.

The regions of both chromosomes are color coded to identify the gene family or DNA type as follows (MSY means male specific region of the Y chromosome):

...

APE TO HUMAN EVOLUTION IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE

APES AND HUMANS CANNOT ADD GENES TO THEIR GENOMES


The same research paper also revealed that the human Y chromosome has at least 35 more genes than the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Below is the gene table:

...

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have 41 more genes.

This means that in order for the ape Y chromosome to evolve into the human Y chromosome, apes had to add 41 genes.
In order for apes to add genes, they would have to have a genetic mechanism to generate new genes and insert them into their chromosomes.

But apes do not have any "gene generating system."

Nor do apes have a "gene insertion system."


This means that "ape to human evolution" theory is missing the genetic mechanisms necessary for evolution to actually take place.

This is ABSOLUTE CONTRADICTING EVIDENCE that proves "ape to human evolution" is impossible,

...
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Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 7:29am:
I've always thought we're descended from the abos.  Cool


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the wordage ab original is a slave name the british monarchy bestowed unto all natives so they could steal their land .

ab ( not ) original .. and so the natives keep saying they are not original giving prima facie standing to the invader ..

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it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 9:10am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 7:29am:
I've always thought we're descended from the abos.  Cool


many blessings lord herbert

the wordage ab original is a slave name the british monarchy bestowed unto all natives so they could steal their land .

ab ( not ) original .. and so the natives keep saying they are not original giving prima facie standing to the invader ..

and so even your inane level .5 level troll contribution

may be turned into wisdom .. rejoice !

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Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2016 at 6:46pm:
emucorp wrote on Sep 21st, 2016 at 5:04pm:
They look the same ergo they are/were the same ... is that the general idea?


Proof of a common ancestor.


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master Light,
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incorrect sir bobby

first ye must rebut these proven scientific facts, of which

you have failed to do ..

the reason you have failed to rebut these facts is because you cannot ,



dear master Light,
True - I cannot - I am not a university graduate with qualifications in genetics.
I would also state that neither are you.
Never the less - feel free to post new scientific enquiry -
it's interesting -
however you have failed to explain why humans start out in their embryo stage with fish gills
yet we are not fish.



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emucorp wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 10:34am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2016 at 6:46pm:
emucorp wrote on Sep 21st, 2016 at 5:04pm:
They look the same ergo they are/were the same ... is that the general idea?


Proof of a common ancestor.


*giggles"



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Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 7:45pm:
master Light,
Quote:
incorrect sir bobby

first ye must rebut these proven scientific facts, of which

you have failed to do ..

the reason you have failed to rebut these facts is because you cannot ,



dear master Light,
True - I cannot - I am not a university graduate with qualifications in genetics.
I would also state that neither are you.
Never the less - feel free to post new scientific enquiry -
it's interesting -
however you have failed to explain why humans start out in their embryo stage with fish gills
yet we are not fish.



namaste



many blessings sir bobby , and so

you cannot be bothered to research the strength of your theory ?

that you are the product of a monkey fish in which you fearlessly accept because ' someone told you so ' ..

this is very telling that you would not even have the care to explore your origins .. and just take anothers' theory at first glance , and because

enough fools repeat this gibberish you resign yourself to monkey fish mania believing you are the progeny of this idiotic theory of evolution ...

and now these facts I hath presented stand as unrebutted truth upon this thread

you will now agree that hu-mans did not descend from apes

this is prima facie established fact here and when you submit and understand this fact we shall move on ...

1 . Quote:
In order for apes to add genes, they would have to have a genetic mechanism to generate new genes and insert them into their chromosomes.

But apes do not have any "gene generating system."

Nor do apes have a "gene insertion system."


2 . APE AND HUMAN CHROMOSOMES ARE NOT 98% IDENTICAL

BUT ARE TOO DIFFERENT FOR EVOLUTION TO EXPLAIN

Scientists in genetics and embryology are learning something new every day.

One of the things we now know is Darwinians were lying to us when they insisted that the genetic matter of apes and humans are 98% identical.

During the last 12 years, there has been a steady flow of scientific discoveries informing us that Chimpanzee and human chromosomes are so remarkably different that it is inconceivable for the ape genome to evolve into the human genome.  For example:

In 2010, Nature published a scientific paper entitled "Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes are remarkably divergent in structure and gene content." (Nature, by the way, is the most respected peer reviewed scientific journal for evolutionary genetics.)

The paper was the product of several teams of well-respected geneticists all of whom were fervent supporters of "ape to human evolution."

Nonetheless, they found that:

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have at least 78 genes and Chimpanzees have only 37.

The Y chromosomes of Chimpanzees and humans are radically different in the arrangement of their genes.

Both of these facts make it impossible for apes to have evolved into humans because there are no genetic mechanisms that would account for the vast differences between the ape and human Y chromosomes.

Below are maps of the Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes:

...

The top map is the Chimpanzee Y chromosome and the lower map is the human Y chromosome.

"Ape to human evolution" theory asserts that the Chimpanzee Y chromosome (top one) evolved into the human Y chromosome (the lower one) and few changes were necessary.

That is obviously baloney - there is no way that could have happened. 

There is no genetic mechanism that could have rearranged the genes in the Chimpanzee Y chromosome to become the human Y chromosome.

The two chromosomes are so different it is like comparing the chromosomes of humans to those of chickens.

The regions of both chromosomes are color coded to identify the gene family or DNA type as follows (MSY means male specific region of the Y chromosome):

...

APE TO HUMAN EVOLUTION IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE

APES AND HUMANS CANNOT ADD GENES TO THEIR GENOMES


The same research paper also revealed that the human Y chromosome has at least 35 more genes than the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Below is the gene table:

...

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have 41 more genes.

This means that in order for the ape Y chromosome to evolve into the human Y chromosome, apes had to add 41 genes.
In order for apes to add genes, they would have to have a genetic mechanism to generate new genes and insert them into their chromosomes.

But apes do not have any "gene generating system."

Nor do apes have a "gene insertion system."


This means that "ape to human evolution" theory is missing the genetic mechanisms necessary for evolution to actually take place.

This is ABSOLUTE CONTRADICTING EVIDENCE that proves "ape to human evolution" is impossible,

...
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Reply #64 - Sep 23rd, 2016 at 7:24am
 
master Light,
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you will now agree that humans did not descend from apes



I have already agreed to that however we
have a common ancestor.

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Reply #65 - Sep 23rd, 2016 at 8:22am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 7:24am:
master Light,
Quote:
you will now agree that humans did not descend from apes



I have already agreed to that however we
have a common ancestor.

namaste


how can you beleive that in the face of this new evidence ?

you still cling to old refuted belief systems even in the face of fact and

...

now this is prima facie established fact here , and for you to cling to your common ancestor theory is not logical ..

1 . Quote:
In order for apes to add genes, they would have to have a genetic mechanism to generate new genes and insert them into their chromosomes.

But apes do not have any "gene generating system."

Nor do apes have a "gene insertion system."


2 . APE AND HUMAN CHROMOSOMES ARE NOT 98% IDENTICAL

BUT ARE TOO DIFFERENT FOR EVOLUTION TO EXPLAIN

Scientists in genetics and embryology are learning something new every day.

One of the things we now know is Darwinians were lying to us when they insisted that the genetic matter of apes and humans are 98% identical.

During the last 12 years, there has been a steady flow of scientific discoveries informing us that Chimpanzee and human chromosomes are so remarkably different that it is inconceivable for the ape genome to evolve into the human genome.  For example:

In 2010, Nature published a scientific paper entitled "Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes are remarkably divergent in structure and gene content." (Nature, by the way, is the most respected peer reviewed scientific journal for evolutionary genetics.)

The paper was the product of several teams of well-respected geneticists all of whom were fervent supporters of "ape to human evolution."

Nonetheless, they found that:

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have at least 78 genes and Chimpanzees have only 37.

The Y chromosomes of Chimpanzees and humans are radically different in the arrangement of their genes.

Both of these facts make it impossible for apes to have evolved into humans because there are no genetic mechanisms that would account for the vast differences between the ape and human Y chromosomes.

Below are maps of the Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes:

...

The top map is the Chimpanzee Y chromosome and the lower map is the human Y chromosome.

"Ape to human evolution" theory asserts that the Chimpanzee Y chromosome (top one) evolved into the human Y chromosome (the lower one) and few changes were necessary.

That is obviously baloney - there is no way that could have happened. 

There is no genetic mechanism that could have rearranged the genes in the Chimpanzee Y chromosome to become the human Y chromosome.

The two chromosomes are so different it is like comparing the chromosomes of humans to those of chickens.

The regions of both chromosomes are color coded to identify the gene family or DNA type as follows (MSY means male specific region of the Y chromosome):

...

APE TO HUMAN EVOLUTION IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE

APES AND HUMANS CANNOT ADD GENES TO THEIR GENOMES


The same research paper also revealed that the human Y chromosome has at least 35 more genes than the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Below is the gene table:

...

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have 41 more genes.

This means that in order for the ape Y chromosome to evolve into the human Y chromosome, apes had to add 41 genes.
In order for apes to add genes, they would have to have a genetic mechanism to generate new genes and insert them into their chromosomes.

But apes do not have any "gene generating system."

Nor do apes have a "gene insertion system."


This means that "ape to human evolution" theory is missing the genetic mechanisms necessary for evolution to actually take place.

This is ABSOLUTE CONTRADICTING EVIDENCE that proves "ape to human evolution" is impossible,

...

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So master Light - how did it all happen?
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it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
Hu-Man aka God-Man did not descend from the apes

The Freemason ,Darwin and his foolish and non factual theory is debunked ..



Cite where Darwin said we descended from the Apes.


You have debunked nothing Marty I suggest you get off the drugs get out from under your copper frame and get a job and pay some taxes
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Reply #68 - Sep 23rd, 2016 at 7:04pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 6:43pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
Hu-Man aka God-Man did not descend from the apes

The Freemason ,Darwin and his foolish and non factual theory is debunked ..



Cite where Darwin said we descended from the Apes.


You have debunked nothing Marty I suggest you get off the drugs get out from under your copper frame and get a job and pay some taxes




forgiven

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Bobby. wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 7:04pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 6:43pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
Hu-Man aka God-Man did not descend from the apes

The Freemason ,Darwin and his foolish and non factual theory is debunked ..



Cite where Darwin said we descended from the Apes.


You have debunked nothing Marty I suggest you get off the drugs get out from under your copper frame and get a job and pay some taxes




forgiven

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I hope he declares his income from selling those fraudulent frames to Centrelink.


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Reply #70 - Sep 23rd, 2016 at 7:45pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 7:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 7:04pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 6:43pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
Hu-Man aka God-Man did not descend from the apes

The Freemason ,Darwin and his foolish and non factual theory is debunked ..



Cite where Darwin said we descended from the Apes.


You have debunked nothing Marty I suggest you get off the drugs get out from under your copper frame and get a job and pay some taxes




forgiven

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I hope he declares his income from selling those fraudulent frames to Centrelink.





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it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
Hu-Man aka God-Man did not descend from the apes

The Freemason ,Darwin and his foolish and non factual theory is debunked ..

https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/entertainment/2012/02/01/super_bowl_...

http://apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=9&article=801

Of Apes and Men: Chromosome 2 in Humans and the Chimpanzee

by      Will Brooks, Ph.D.

[EDITOR’S NOTE: The following article was written by A.P. staff scientist Will Brooks, who holds a Ph.D. in Cell Biology from the University of Alabama at Birmingham.]

“The Evolution of Creationism.” No, you did not misread the statement. This was the title of a symposium that I recently attended at the Experimental Biology 2009 National Conference held in New Orleans, Louisiana (Forrest and Miller, 2009). At this symposium, a couple of the more vocal evolutionists gave a detailed account of how creationists’ thinking has allegedly “evolved” over the last 20 years. The speakers gave a chronological history of landmark court cases regarding the creation/evolution debate and marked how creationists have repeatedly changed their strategies for battling evolutionary thought. (Answering this historical interpretation is beyond the scope of this article, though much could be said in response to this claim.) One of the speakers at this symposium was Dr. Kenneth Miller, a biology professor at Brown University. Miller is a researcher and author, but is well known in large part for his testimony at the 2005 Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District trial (Kitzmiller v. Dover..., 2005). In this well-publicized court case, parents battled the Dover, Pennsylvania School Board over a statement that the school board developed to be read in 9th grade science class when evolution was taught. Led by Kitzmiller, these parents fought to have the statement removed, because it posited intelligent design as an alternative to Darwin’s theory. Within those courts, Miller gave testimony which was designed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that evolution was the only explanation for the origin of life. One of the key points of Miller’s testimony, which he kindly recounted at the symposium, regarded the then-recent report that human chromosome 2 looks like it is a fusion of two different chimpanzee chromosomes (Wienberg, et al., 1994).

Humans (Homo sapiens) have 46 chromosomes which make up their nuclear DNA genome; this number is known as the diploid number. Half of these 46 chromosomes are always donated by the mother and half by the father. So, mom and dad each contribute 23 chromosomes—the haploid number—to their offspring. Therefore, the 46 nuclear chromosomes, that all humans possess within their cells, are actually 23 pairs of identical chromosomes. (To be more precise, females have 23 identical pairs, while males have 22 pairs that are identical and the sex chromosomes, X and Y, are paired but not identical.) This diploid number of 46 (23 pairs) is, however, unique to humans among their alleged primate relatives. Genetically speaking, those species which have DNA sequences most similar to that of humans are the great apes. Each of the four species of ape (chimpanzee, gorilla, bonobo, and orangutan) possesses 48 chromosomes or 24 pairs, compared to the 46 chromosomes of humans. However, the genetic difference between Homo sapiens and their alleged primate relatives is significant.



No, they didn't, of course no one (except religious idiots) has ever actually said they did. BOTH man and apes evolved from a common ancestor.
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Reply #72 - Sep 23rd, 2016 at 10:33pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 10:06pm:
No, they didn't, of course no one (except religious idiots) has ever actually said they did. BOTH man and apes evolved from a common ancestor.





well go right ahead gizmo

prove your theory .. yet first step up and bring your evidence to counter these facts presented

for as it stands now this is prima facie unrebutted fact

http://www.darwinconspiracy.com/

APE AND HUMAN CHROMOSOMES ARE NOT 98% IDENTICAL

BUT ARE TOO DIFFERENT FOR EVOLUTION TO EXPLAIN

Scientists in genetics and embryology are learning something new every day.

One of the things we now know is Darwinians were lying to us when they insisted that the genetic matter of apes and humans are 98% identical.

During the last 12 years, there has been a steady flow of scientific discoveries informing us that Chimpanzee and human chromosomes are so remarkably different that it is inconceivable for the ape genome to evolve into the human genome.  For example:

In 2010, Nature published a scientific paper entitled "Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes are remarkably divergent in structure and gene content." (Nature, by the way, is the most respected peer reviewed scientific journal for evolutionary genetics.)

The paper was the product of several teams of well-respected geneticists all of whom were fervent supporters of "ape to human evolution."

Nonetheless, they found that:

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have at least 78 genes and Chimpanzees have only 37.

The Y chromosomes of Chimpanzees and humans are radically different in the arrangement of their genes.

Both of these facts make it impossible for apes to have evolved into humans because there are no genetic mechanisms that would account for the vast differences between the ape and human Y chromosomes.

Below are maps of the Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes:

...

The top map is the Chimpanzee Y chromosome and the lower map is the human Y chromosome.

"Ape to human evolution" theory asserts that the Chimpanzee Y chromosome (top one) evolved into the human Y chromosome (the lower one) and few changes were necessary.

That is obviously baloney - there is no way that could have happened. 

There is no genetic mechanism that could have rearranged the genes in the Chimpanzee Y chromosome to become the human Y chromosome.

The two chromosomes are so different it is like comparing the chromosomes of humans to those of chickens.

The regions of both chromosomes are color coded to identify the gene family or DNA type as follows (MSY means male specific region of the Y chromosome):

...

APE TO HUMAN EVOLUTION IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE

APES AND HUMANS CANNOT ADD GENES TO THEIR GENOMES


The same research paper also revealed that the human Y chromosome has at least 35 more genes than the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Below is the gene table:

...

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have 41 more genes.

This means that in order for the ape Y chromosome to evolve into the human Y chromosome, apes had to add 41 genes.
In order for apes to add genes, they would have to have a genetic mechanism to generate new genes and insert them into their chromosomes.

But apes do not have any "gene generating system."

Nor do apes have a "gene insertion system."


This means that "ape to human evolution" theory is missing the genetic mechanisms necessary for evolution to actually take place.

This is ABSOLUTE CONTRADICTING EVIDENCE that proves "ape to human evolution" is impossible,

...
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Reply #73 - Sep 23rd, 2016 at 10:34pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 7:04pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 6:43pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
Hu-Man aka God-Man did not descend from the apes

The Freemason ,Darwin and his foolish and non factual theory is debunked ..



Cite where Darwin said we descended from the Apes.


You have debunked nothing Marty I suggest you get off the drugs get out from under your copper frame and get a job and pay some taxes




forgiven

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and what do we have here

just feeble character assassination

the actions of the defeated , and yet

all are forgiven

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Reply #75 - Sep 23rd, 2016 at 10:52pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 10:34pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 7:04pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 6:43pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
Hu-Man aka God-Man did not descend from the apes

The Freemason ,Darwin and his foolish and non factual theory is debunked ..



Cite where Darwin said we descended from the Apes.


You have debunked nothing Marty I suggest you get off the drugs get out from under your copper frame and get a job and pay some taxes




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Reply #77 - Sep 24th, 2016 at 12:26am
 
this is prima facie unrebutted fact

http://www.darwinconspiracy.com/

APE AND HUMAN CHROMOSOMES ARE NOT 98% IDENTICAL

BUT ARE TOO DIFFERENT FOR EVOLUTION TO EXPLAIN

Scientists in genetics and embryology are learning something new every day.

One of the things we now know is Darwinians were lying to us when they insisted that the genetic matter of apes and humans are 98% identical.

During the last 12 years, there has been a steady flow of scientific discoveries informing us that Chimpanzee and human chromosomes are so remarkably different that it is inconceivable for the ape genome to evolve into the human genome.  For example:

In 2010, Nature published a scientific paper entitled "Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes are remarkably divergent in structure and gene content." (Nature, by the way, is the most respected peer reviewed scientific journal for evolutionary genetics.)

The paper was the product of several teams of well-respected geneticists all of whom were fervent supporters of "ape to human evolution."

Nonetheless, they found that:

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have at least 78 genes and Chimpanzees have only 37.

The Y chromosomes of Chimpanzees and humans are radically different in the arrangement of their genes.

Both of these facts make it impossible for apes to have evolved into humans because there are no genetic mechanisms that would account for the vast differences between the ape and human Y chromosomes.

Below are maps of the Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes:

...

The top map is the Chimpanzee Y chromosome and the lower map is the human Y chromosome.

"Ape to human evolution" theory asserts that the Chimpanzee Y chromosome (top one) evolved into the human Y chromosome (the lower one) and few changes were necessary.

That is obviously baloney - there is no way that could have happened. 

There is no genetic mechanism that could have rearranged the genes in the Chimpanzee Y chromosome to become the human Y chromosome.

The two chromosomes are so different it is like comparing the chromosomes of humans to those of chickens.

The regions of both chromosomes are color coded to identify the gene family or DNA type as follows (MSY means male specific region of the Y chromosome):

...

APE TO HUMAN EVOLUTION IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE

APES AND HUMANS CANNOT ADD GENES TO THEIR GENOMES


The same research paper also revealed that the human Y chromosome has at least 35 more genes than the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Below is the gene table:

...

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have 41 more genes.

This means that in order for the ape Y chromosome to evolve into the human Y chromosome, apes had to add 41 genes.
In order for apes to add genes, they would have to have a genetic mechanism to generate new genes and insert them into their chromosomes.

But apes do not have any "gene generating system."

Nor do apes have a "gene insertion system."


This means that "ape to human evolution" theory is missing the genetic mechanisms necessary for evolution to actually take place.

This is ABSOLUTE CONTRADICTING EVIDENCE that proves "ape to human evolution" is impossible,

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and now as fact is established unrebutted ,

we may look at the beginnings of human life ..

this is getting interesting



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Reply #81 - Sep 24th, 2016 at 11:05am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 7:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 7:04pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 6:43pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
Hu-Man aka God-Man did not descend from the apes

The Freemason ,Darwin and his foolish and non factual theory is debunked ..



Cite where Darwin said we descended from the Apes.


You have debunked nothing Marty I suggest you get off the drugs get out from under your copper frame and get a job and pay some taxes




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I hope he declares his income from selling those fraudulent frames to Centrelink.





Of course he does -
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http://www.sci-news.com/othersciences/anthropology/science-homo-pan-last-common-...



Study: Last Common Ancestor of Humans and Apes Looked Like Gorilla or Chimpanzee
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Humans split from our closest African ape relatives in the genus Pan around six to seven million years ago. We have features that clearly link us with African apes, but we also have features that appear more primitive. This combination calls into question whether the Homo-Pan last common ancestor looked more like modern day chimpanzees and gorillas or an ancient ape unlike any living group. A new study, published online in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, suggests that the simplest explanation – that the ancestor looked a lot like a chimpanzee or gorilla – is the right one, at least in the shoulder.


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Bobby. wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 6:50pm:
http://www.sci-news.com/othersciences/anthropology/science-homo-pan-last-common-...



Study: Last Common Ancestor of Humans and Apes Looked Like Gorilla or Chimpanzee
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Humans split from our closest African ape relatives in the genus Pan around six to seven million years ago. We have features that clearly link us with African apes, but we also have features that appear more primitive. This combination calls into question whether the Homo-Pan last common ancestor looked more like modern day chimpanzees and gorillas or an ancient ape unlike any living group. A new study, published online in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, suggests that the simplest explanation – that the ancestor looked a lot like a chimpanzee or gorilla – is the right one, at least in the shoulder.


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Reply #86 - Sep 24th, 2016 at 8:23pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 7:43pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 6:50pm:
http://www.sci-news.com/othersciences/anthropology/science-homo-pan-last-common-...



Study: Last Common Ancestor of Humans and Apes Looked Like Gorilla or Chimpanzee
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Humans split from our closest African ape relatives in the genus Pan around six to seven million years ago. We have features that clearly link us with African apes, but we also have features that appear more primitive. This combination calls into question whether the Homo-Pan last common ancestor looked more like modern day chimpanzees and gorillas or an ancient ape unlike any living group. A new study, published online in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, suggests that the simplest explanation – that the ancestor looked a lot like a chimpanzee or gorilla – is the right one, at least in the shoulder.


http://cdn.sci-news.com/images/2014/01/image_1680-Paranthropus-boisei.jpg



many blessings bobby

please prove the existence of this common ancestor

cheers and

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The proof doth resteth in the link provided - should
ye be able to read it.

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Reply #87 - Sep 24th, 2016 at 8:32pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 8:23pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 7:43pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 6:50pm:
http://www.sci-news.com/othersciences/anthropology/science-homo-pan-last-common-...



Study: Last Common Ancestor of Humans and Apes Looked Like Gorilla or Chimpanzee
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Humans split from our closest African ape relatives in the genus Pan around six to seven million years ago. We have features that clearly link us with African apes, but we also have features that appear more primitive. This combination calls into question whether the Homo-Pan last common ancestor looked more like modern day chimpanzees and gorillas or an ancient ape unlike any living group. A new study, published online in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, suggests that the simplest explanation – that the ancestor looked a lot like a chimpanzee or gorilla – is the right one, at least in the shoulder.


http://cdn.sci-news.com/images/2014/01/image_1680-Paranthropus-boisei.jpg



many blessings bobby

please prove the existence of this common ancestor

cheers and

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The proof doth resteth in the link provide should
ye be able to read it.

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many blessings bobby

where is the proof ?

there is no proof in your link now come forth with your evidence

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More education for Mr Light.





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Bobby. wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 8:23pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 7:43pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 6:50pm:
http://www.sci-news.com/othersciences/anthropology/science-homo-pan-last-common-...



Study: Last Common Ancestor of Humans and Apes Looked Like Gorilla or Chimpanzee
Sep 9, 2015 by News Staff / Source
« Previous
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Humans split from our closest African ape relatives in the genus Pan around six to seven million years ago. We have features that clearly link us with African apes, but we also have features that appear more primitive. This combination calls into question whether the Homo-Pan last common ancestor looked more like modern day chimpanzees and gorillas or an ancient ape unlike any living group. A new study, published online in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, suggests that the simplest explanation – that the ancestor looked a lot like a chimpanzee or gorilla – is the right one, at least in the shoulder.


http://cdn.sci-news.com/images/2014/01/image_1680-Paranthropus-boisei.jpg



many blessings bobby

please prove the existence of this common ancestor

cheers and

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The proof doth resteth in the link provided - should
ye be able to read it.

namaste


many blessings bobby

there is no proof there

ye hath simply lied again

now provide the proof or be branded a charlatan as well as a liar

yet fear not beloved , for in your public shaming and exposure

ye are forgiven with ,

so very much love

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Reply #90 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 7:06am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 25th, 2016 at 6:56am:
many blessings bobby

there is no proof there

ye hath simply lied again

now provide the proof or be branded a charlatan as well as a liar

yet fear not beloved , for in your public shaming and exposure

ye are forgiven with ,

so very much love

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Dear sir master Light,
it seems that no amount of evidence would be good enough for you
to bow down & give a grovelling apology therefore
I ask you to provide evidence of some other mechanism
whereby we look so much like apes & chimps.

You must provide an alternative theory.

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Reply #92 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 7:28am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 25th, 2016 at 7:06am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 25th, 2016 at 6:56am:
many blessings bobby

there is no proof there

ye hath simply lied again

now provide the proof or be branded a charlatan as well as a liar

yet fear not beloved , for in your public shaming and exposure

ye are forgiven with ,

so very much love

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Dear sir master Light,
it seems that no amount of evidence would be good enough for you
to bow down & give a grovelling apology therefore
I ask you to provide evidence of some other mechanism
whereby we look so much like apes & chimps.

You must provide an alternative theory.

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many blessings bobby the scoundrel and dastardly liar

you have lied here at 5:15 pm yesterday

Bobby. wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 5:15pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 5:09pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 3:15pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 2:58pm:
On a completely different topic, Mr Photon, are you aware that one of your slaves is aspiring to become Ozpolitic's resident Mental Giant?





That's me partially thanks to the enlightenment received from master Light.


So you have surpassed the Giant Lunacies of your slave master?

Are you aware that Mr Photon refuses to reveal the NEW FORM of light in public?





dear Chimp,
I have been able to correct master Light on such matters as
the origin of species.
He didn't know that apes & humans have a common ancestor.


This is showing that his disciple is now entering the realms of mastership.

namaste



and further you have placed some link at 6:50 pm the same day here , proving you lied at 5:15 pm


Bobby. wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 6:50pm:
http://www.sci-news.com/othersciences/anthropology/science-homo-pan-last-common-...



Study: Last Common Ancestor of Humans and Apes Looked Like Gorilla or Chimpanzee
Sep 9, 2015 by News Staff / Source
« Previous
| Next »

Humans split from our closest African ape relatives in the genus Pan around six to seven million years ago. We have features that clearly link us with African apes, but we also have features that appear more primitive. This combination calls into question whether the Homo-Pan last common ancestor looked more like modern day chimpanzees and gorillas or an ancient ape unlike any living group. A new study, published online in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, suggests that the simplest explanation – that the ancestor looked a lot like a chimpanzee or gorilla – is the right one, at least in the shoulder.


http://cdn.sci-news.com/images/2014/01/image_1680-Paranthropus-boisei.jpg



in this link there is no proof of a common ancestor now post your proof dastardly bobby the charlatan and liar

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or retract the false statement ye made and reclaim your good honor and title of knight

yet either way be at peace

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Reply #93 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 7:31am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 7:24am:
master Light,
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you will now agree that humans did not descend from apes



I have already agreed to that however we
have a common ancestor.

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prove this common ancestor bobby the charlatan and dastardly liar

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Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 7:45pm:
master Light,
Quote:
incorrect sir bobby

first ye must rebut these proven scientific facts, of which

you have failed to do ..

the reason you have failed to rebut these facts is because you cannot ,



dear master Light,
True - I cannot - I am not a university graduate with qualifications in genetics.



much whoa is upon the dastardly one bobby the charlatan

yet he is forgiven ... exposed and publicly shamed beyond belief yes

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now this is prima facie established fact here unrebutted ..

now let us continue with logic and honor here

1 . Quote:
In order for apes to add genes, they would have to have a genetic mechanism to generate new genes and insert them into their chromosomes.

But apes do not have any "gene generating system."

Nor do apes have a "gene insertion system."


2 . APE AND HUMAN CHROMOSOMES ARE NOT 98% IDENTICAL

BUT ARE TOO DIFFERENT FOR EVOLUTION TO EXPLAIN

Scientists in genetics and embryology are learning something new every day.

One of the things we now know is Darwinians were lying to us when they insisted that the genetic matter of apes and humans are 98% identical.

During the last 12 years, there has been a steady flow of scientific discoveries informing us that Chimpanzee and human chromosomes are so remarkably different that it is inconceivable for the ape genome to evolve into the human genome.  For example:

In 2010, Nature published a scientific paper entitled "Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes are remarkably divergent in structure and gene content." (Nature, by the way, is the most respected peer reviewed scientific journal for evolutionary genetics.)

The paper was the product of several teams of well-respected geneticists all of whom were fervent supporters of "ape to human evolution."

Nonetheless, they found that:

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have at least 78 genes and Chimpanzees have only 37.

The Y chromosomes of Chimpanzees and humans are radically different in the arrangement of their genes.

Both of these facts make it impossible for apes to have evolved into humans because there are no genetic mechanisms that would account for the vast differences between the ape and human Y chromosomes.

Below are maps of the Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes:

...

The top map is the Chimpanzee Y chromosome and the lower map is the human Y chromosome.

"Ape to human evolution" theory asserts that the Chimpanzee Y chromosome (top one) evolved into the human Y chromosome (the lower one) and few changes were necessary.

That is obviously baloney - there is no way that could have happened. 

There is no genetic mechanism that could have rearranged the genes in the Chimpanzee Y chromosome to become the human Y chromosome.

The two chromosomes are so different it is like comparing the chromosomes of humans to those of chickens.

The regions of both chromosomes are color coded to identify the gene family or DNA type as follows (MSY means male specific region of the Y chromosome):

...

APE TO HUMAN EVOLUTION IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE

APES AND HUMANS CANNOT ADD GENES TO THEIR GENOMES


The same research paper also revealed that the human Y chromosome has at least 35 more genes than the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Below is the gene table:

...

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have 41 more genes.

This means that in order for the ape Y chromosome to evolve into the human Y chromosome, apes had to add 41 genes.
In order for apes to add genes, they would have to have a genetic mechanism to generate new genes and insert them into their chromosomes.

But apes do not have any "gene generating system."

Nor do apes have a "gene insertion system."


This means that "ape to human evolution" theory is missing the genetic mechanisms necessary for evolution to actually take place.

This is ABSOLUTE CONTRADICTING EVIDENCE that proves "ape to human evolution" is impossible,

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You must provide an alternative theory.



Not find holes in an existing theory - the best we've got.
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Reply #98 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 8:03am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 25th, 2016 at 7:48am:
You must provide an alternative theory.



Not find holes in an existing theory - the best we've got.


many blessings dastardly and false bobby

I have proved my theory .

now this is prima facie established fact here unrebutted ..

now let us continue with logic and honor here

1 . Quote:
In order for apes to add genes, they would have to have a genetic mechanism to generate new genes and insert them into their chromosomes.

But apes do not have any "gene generating system."

Nor do apes have a "gene insertion system."


2 . APE AND HUMAN CHROMOSOMES ARE NOT 98% IDENTICAL

BUT ARE TOO DIFFERENT FOR EVOLUTION TO EXPLAIN

Scientists in genetics and embryology are learning something new every day.

One of the things we now know is Darwinians were lying to us when they insisted that the genetic matter of apes and humans are 98% identical.

During the last 12 years, there has been a steady flow of scientific discoveries informing us that Chimpanzee and human chromosomes are so remarkably different that it is inconceivable for the ape genome to evolve into the human genome.  For example:

In 2010, Nature published a scientific paper entitled "Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes are remarkably divergent in structure and gene content." (Nature, by the way, is the most respected peer reviewed scientific journal for evolutionary genetics.)

The paper was the product of several teams of well-respected geneticists all of whom were fervent supporters of "ape to human evolution."

Nonetheless, they found that:

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have at least 78 genes and Chimpanzees have only 37.

The Y chromosomes of Chimpanzees and humans are radically different in the arrangement of their genes.

Both of these facts make it impossible for apes to have evolved into humans because there are no genetic mechanisms that would account for the vast differences between the ape and human Y chromosomes.

Below are maps of the Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes:

...

The top map is the Chimpanzee Y chromosome and the lower map is the human Y chromosome.

"Ape to human evolution" theory asserts that the Chimpanzee Y chromosome (top one) evolved into the human Y chromosome (the lower one) and few changes were necessary.

That is obviously baloney - there is no way that could have happened. 

There is no genetic mechanism that could have rearranged the genes in the Chimpanzee Y chromosome to become the human Y chromosome.

The two chromosomes are so different it is like comparing the chromosomes of humans to those of chickens.

The regions of both chromosomes are color coded to identify the gene family or DNA type as follows (MSY means male specific region of the Y chromosome):

...

APE TO HUMAN EVOLUTION IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE

APES AND HUMANS CANNOT ADD GENES TO THEIR GENOMES


The same research paper also revealed that the human Y chromosome has at least 35 more genes than the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Below is the gene table:

...

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have 41 more genes.

This means that in order for the ape Y chromosome to evolve into the human Y chromosome, apes had to add 41 genes.
In order for apes to add genes, they would have to have a genetic mechanism to generate new genes and insert them into their chromosomes.

But apes do not have any "gene generating system."

Nor do apes have a "gene insertion system."


This means that "ape to human evolution" theory is missing the genetic mechanisms necessary for evolution to actually take place.

This is ABSOLUTE CONTRADICTING EVIDENCE that proves "ape to human evolution" is impossible,

...



you are yet to prove yours..and simply repeat some unproven THEORY in your mania ..

and further , you lie about having proved your false theory and as such

ye are branded as a scoundrel villain in your obfuscations

so be at peace in your own manifestations

that of a scoundrel villain obfuscator

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Reply #99 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 8:06am
 
dear sir master Light,
Ye hath only found holes in an existing theory not
formulated a new theory to explain whats happened.

You keep repeating the same text with no alternative theory.
This is bordering on the bleating of a sheep.

forgiven

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Reply #100 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 8:13am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 25th, 2016 at 8:06am:
dear sir master Light,
Ye hath only found holes in an existing theory not
formulated a new theory to explain whats happened.

You keep repeating the same text with no alternative theory.
This is bordering on the bleating of a sheep.

forgiven

namaste



Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 7:45pm:
master Light,
Quote:
incorrect sir bobby

first ye must rebut these proven scientific facts, of which

you have failed to do ..

the reason you have failed to rebut these facts is because you cannot ,



dear master Light,
True - I cannot - I am not a university graduate with qualifications in genetics.



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Reply #101 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 8:15am
 
now this is prima facie established fact here unrebutted ..

now let us continue with logic and honor here

1 . Quote:
In order for apes to add genes, they would have to have a genetic mechanism to generate new genes and insert them into their chromosomes.

But apes do not have any "gene generating system."

Nor do apes have a "gene insertion system."


2 . APE AND HUMAN CHROMOSOMES ARE NOT 98% IDENTICAL

BUT ARE TOO DIFFERENT FOR EVOLUTION TO EXPLAIN

Scientists in genetics and embryology are learning something new every day.

One of the things we now know is Darwinians were lying to us when they insisted that the genetic matter of apes and humans are 98% identical.

During the last 12 years, there has been a steady flow of scientific discoveries informing us that Chimpanzee and human chromosomes are so remarkably different that it is inconceivable for the ape genome to evolve into the human genome.  For example:

In 2010, Nature published a scientific paper entitled "Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes are remarkably divergent in structure and gene content." (Nature, by the way, is the most respected peer reviewed scientific journal for evolutionary genetics.)

The paper was the product of several teams of well-respected geneticists all of whom were fervent supporters of "ape to human evolution."

Nonetheless, they found that:

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have at least 78 genes and Chimpanzees have only 37.

The Y chromosomes of Chimpanzees and humans are radically different in the arrangement of their genes.

Both of these facts make it impossible for apes to have evolved into humans because there are no genetic mechanisms that would account for the vast differences between the ape and human Y chromosomes.

Below are maps of the Chimpanzee and human Y chromosomes:

...

The top map is the Chimpanzee Y chromosome and the lower map is the human Y chromosome.

"Ape to human evolution" theory asserts that the Chimpanzee Y chromosome (top one) evolved into the human Y chromosome (the lower one) and few changes were necessary.

That is obviously baloney - there is no way that could have happened. 

There is no genetic mechanism that could have rearranged the genes in the Chimpanzee Y chromosome to become the human Y chromosome.

The two chromosomes are so different it is like comparing the chromosomes of humans to those of chickens.

The regions of both chromosomes are color coded to identify the gene family or DNA type as follows (MSY means male specific region of the Y chromosome):

...

APE TO HUMAN EVOLUTION IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE

APES AND HUMANS CANNOT ADD GENES TO THEIR GENOMES


The same research paper also revealed that the human Y chromosome has at least 35 more genes than the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Below is the gene table:

...

The human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the Chimpanzee Y chromosome.  Humans have 41 more genes.

This means that in order for the ape Y chromosome to evolve into the human Y chromosome, apes had to add 41 genes.
In order for apes to add genes, they would have to have a genetic mechanism to generate new genes and insert them into their chromosomes.

But apes do not have any "gene generating system."

Nor do apes have a "gene insertion system."


This means that "ape to human evolution" theory is missing the genetic mechanisms necessary for evolution to actually take place.

This is ABSOLUTE CONTRADICTING EVIDENCE that proves "ape to human evolution" is impossible,

...



bobby the scoundrel and liar

you have been caught out in a blatant lie ,you are yet to prove your theory..and further you lie that ye hath !

and simply repeat some unproven THEORY in your mania ..

and further , you lie about having proved your false theory and as such

ye are branded as a scoundrel villain in your obfuscations

so be at peace in your own manifestations

that of a scoundrel villain obfuscator

...

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Re: Hu-man Did Not Descend from Apes
Reply #102 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 8:24am
 
dear sir master Light,

more bleating?

Ye hath only found holes in an existing theory not
formulated a new theory to explain whats happened.

You keep repeating the same text with no alternative theory.
This is bordering on the bleating of a sheep.

forgiven

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Reply #103 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 8:34am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 25th, 2016 at 7:06am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 25th, 2016 at 6:56am:
many blessings bobby

there is no proof there

ye hath simply lied again

now provide the proof or be branded a charlatan as well as a liar

yet fear not beloved , for in your public shaming and exposure

ye are forgiven with ,

so very much love

namaste




Dear sir master Light,
it seems that no amount of evidence would be good enough for you
to bow down & give a grovelling apology therefore
I ask you to provide evidence of some other mechanism
whereby we look so much like apes & chimps.

You must provide an alternative theory.

namaste


many blessings bobby the scoundrel and dastardly liar

you have lied here at 5:15 pm yesterday

Bobby. wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 5:15pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 5:09pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 3:15pm:
Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 2:58pm:
On a completely different topic, Mr Photon, are you aware that one of your slaves is aspiring to become Ozpolitic's resident Mental Giant?





That's me partially thanks to the enlightenment received from master Light.


So you have surpassed the Giant Lunacies of your slave master?

Are you aware that Mr Photon refuses to reveal the NEW FORM of light in public?





dear Chimp,
I have been able to correct master Light on such matters as
the origin of species.
He didn't know that apes & humans have a common ancestor.


This is showing that his disciple is now entering the realms of mastership.

namaste



and further you have placed some link at 6:50 pm the same day here , proving you lied at 5:15 pm


Bobby. wrote on Sep 24th, 2016 at 6:50pm:
http://www.sci-news.com/othersciences/anthropology/science-homo-pan-last-common-...



Study: Last Common Ancestor of Humans and Apes Looked Like Gorilla or Chimpanzee
Sep 9, 2015 by News Staff / Source
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Humans split from our closest African ape relatives in the genus Pan around six to seven million years ago. We have features that clearly link us with African apes, but we also have features that appear more primitive. This combination calls into question whether the Homo-Pan last common ancestor looked more like modern day chimpanzees and gorillas or an ancient ape unlike any living group. A new study, published online in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, suggests that the simplest explanation – that the ancestor looked a lot like a chimpanzee or gorilla – is the right one, at least in the shoulder.


http://cdn.sci-news.com/images/2014/01/image_1680-Paranthropus-boisei.jpg



in this link there is no proof of a common ancestor now post your proof dastardly bobby the charlatan and liar

...

or retract the false statement ye made and reclaim your good honor and title of knight

yet either way be at peace

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Reply #104 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 8:36am
 
No - but they often descend into apes (ta-boom-tissshhhhh)....
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Reply #105 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 8:57am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 25th, 2016 at 8:36am:
No - but they often descend into apes (ta-boom-tissshhhhh)....


many blessings grappler

some even use them as an avatar as a result of programming evolution of a species , a false theory with no proof ..

yet carry on regardless

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Reply #106 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 9:41am
 


Scientists prove evolution is wrong!

Published on Dec 18, 2015
A very well made and informative documentary that i wish had come a long time ago. Scientists prove that Darwin's theories doesn't hold water. This should be shown at all schools world wide, educating our educators that have lost their way into fantasies and pseudo science. These days it seems like googling a subject, and throwing big words around, and acting cynical equals intelligence? A world of "google professors" have revealed itself, trolling their way through the life of countless victims. It is no end to how low levels and/or the stupidity some will stoup to for justifying ones agenda. Never mind the truth..im to busy making it as i think it should be, is the end result. All credits and thanks go to original uploader Vadik spyder.

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Reply #107 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 9:54am
 


DNA Proves Evolutionary Theory is Wrong!


Published on Jan 13, 2013
See how the discovery of DNA proved evolution to be wrong many years ago. Information can only come from an intelligent source...
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Reply #108 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 9:55am
 
Genesis 1:27


So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

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Reply #109 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 12:26pm
 
There you are everyone - God did it!

I knew there was a reason.
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Reply #110 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 12:39pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 25th, 2016 at 12:26pm:
There you are everyone - God did it!

I knew there was a reason.


many blessings .. and yet

this fact did not prevent you from deliberate lies and obfuscations now did it bobby

ready to lie cheat obfuscate and misrepresent at the earliest opportunity

these actions have led you to your dilemma you embody now

stripped of your pretend knighthood , branded a liar and scoundrel that ye have proven yourself to be and exposed in the depravity you extrapolate ..

...

you projected yourself as a " knight " searching for the grail .. and yet all the while your are a godless heathen and product of a monkey fish

a darwinian inspired puppet clown with no divinity..much whoa is upon thee in thine basket of fruitless lies and deceit

yet fear not for in your public shaming and humiliation ,ye are forgiven with so very much love for in your demise

ye are still a divine brother of one such as I am , deceived as ye are, programmed and yet all the while , a differing expression of the one creator

so rejoice and be uplifted in this light that resides within thine heart

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be in good cheer , and

namaste

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Reply #111 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 1:20pm
 
......

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David, Transfiguration of Christ; coronal section of human brain
From Paluzzi et al., Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine, 2007

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Reply #112 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 4:43pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 25th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 25th, 2016 at 12:26pm:
There you are everyone - God did it!

I knew there was a reason.


many blessings .. and yet

this fact did not prevent you from deliberate lies and obfuscations now did it bobby

ready to lie cheat obfuscate and misrepresent at the earliest opportunity

these actions have led you to your dilemma you embody now

stripped of your pretend knighthood , branded a liar and scoundrel that ye have proven yourself to be and exposed in the depravity you extrapolate ..

https://bursarts.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/iagw.jpg

you projected yourself as a " knight " searching for the grail .. and yet all the while your are a godless heathen and product of a monkey fish

a darwinian inspired puppet clown with no divinity..much whoa is upon thee in thine basket of fruitless lies and deceit

yet fear not for in your public shaming and humiliation ,ye are forgiven with so very much love for in your demise

ye are still a divine brother of one such as I am , deceived as ye are, programmed and yet all the while , a differing expression of the one creator

so rejoice and be uplifted in this light that resides within thine heart

http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/avatars/UserAvatars/it_is_the_light.jpg

be in good cheer , and

namaste

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You don't know how the nerve impulse works? Good! You don't understand
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Reply #113 - Sep 25th, 2016 at 4:49pm
 
Richard Dawkins on The Greatest Show on Earth:

The Evidence for Evolution





Richard Dawkins :
Comparing the Human and Chimpanzee Genomes - Nebraska Vignettes #3





Richard Dawkins :
Why are there still Chimpanzees?

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One one level perhaps man did not descend from apes as we know them today.

I can accept that statement.

I must add however its more correct to say apes and humans have common ancestors.

Not sure if the Shortplanks will agree however.
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 12:27am:
emucorp wrote on Sep 22nd, 2016 at 10:34am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2016 at 6:46pm:
emucorp wrote on Sep 21st, 2016 at 5:04pm:
They look the same ergo they are/were the same ... is that the general idea?


Proof of a common ancestor.


*giggles"



Why are you giggling


Are you able to put more than 1 or 2 sentences together? Your mind is as frail as your body.
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Reply #116 - Sep 26th, 2016 at 2:14am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 25th, 2016 at 8:57am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 25th, 2016 at 8:36am:
No - but they often descend into apes (ta-boom-tissshhhhh)....


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some even use them as an avatar as a result of programming evolution of a species , a false theory with no proof ..

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... and Man created God in his own image...... more like it.....

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Reply #118 - Sep 26th, 2016 at 2:35am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 26th, 2016 at 2:15am:
... and Man created God in his own image...... more like it.....



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Good dawkins summary videos Bobby.

How anyone can believe in the fairy dust stories promoted by the god botherers is just beyond my comprehension.
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Reply #120 - Sep 26th, 2016 at 7:24am
 
Super Nova wrote on Sep 26th, 2016 at 7:13am:
Good dawkins summary videos Bobby.

How anyone can believe in the fairy dust stories promoted by the god botherers is just beyond my comprehension.




yet Mr Photon has no faith in scientists.
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Richard Dawkins on The Greatest Show on Earth:

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Richard Dawkins :
Comparing the Human and Chimpanzee Genomes - Nebraska Vignettes #3





Richard Dawkins :
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 26th, 2016 at 7:24am:
Super Nova wrote on Sep 26th, 2016 at 7:13am:
Good dawkins summary videos Bobby.

How anyone can believe in the fairy dust stories promoted by the god botherers is just beyond my comprehension.


yet Mr Photon has no faith in scientists.


Faith is the operative word.

Faith without evidence or rational theory.

I will steal this analogy from someone here.

I believe in pink unicorns. They are magical and do mysterious things. If I speak to my unicorn and know its plan for me, he will promise me a ride into the afterlife. I believe and I tell everyone else to believe. Some don't but many do. I retell that one of my ancestors saw one once, it was standing by a burning bush. Many generations later someone wrote it down so it must be true.

You cannot prove pink unicorns don't exist therefore they must and you must not question my believe in pink unicorns and my right to convince millions to believe in them.
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Reply #123 - Sep 26th, 2016 at 9:41am
 
Super Nova wrote on Sep 26th, 2016 at 8:10am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 26th, 2016 at 7:24am:
Super Nova wrote on Sep 26th, 2016 at 7:13am:
Good dawkins summary videos Bobby.

How anyone can believe in the fairy dust stories promoted by the god botherers is just beyond my comprehension.


yet Mr Photon has no faith in scientists.


Faith is the operative word.

Faith without evidence or rational theory.

I will steal this analogy from someone here.

I believe in pink unicorns. They are magical and do mysterious things. If I speak to my unicorn and know its plan for me, he will promise me a ride into the afterlife. I believe and I tell everyone else to believe. Some don't but many do. I retell that one of my ancestors saw one once, it was standing by a burning bush. Many generations later someone wrote it down so it must be true.

You cannot prove pink unicorns don't exist therefore they must and you must not question my believe in pink unicorns and my right to convince millions to believe in them.



Are you making fun of my belief in the flying spaghetti monster?
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Reply #124 - Sep 27th, 2016 at 6:21am
 
It seems that the quiet words of Richard Dawkins have been heard by Mr Photon
& he continueth not on his wild theories.

he is to be congratulated

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Reply #125 - Aug 26th, 2017 at 3:09pm
 
Genesis 1:27


So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
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Reply #126 - Aug 26th, 2017 at 3:10pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 26th, 2016 at 7:24am:
Richard Dawkins on The Greatest Show on Earth:

The Evidence for Evolution





Richard Dawkins :
Comparing the Human and Chimpanzee Genomes - Nebraska Vignettes #3





Richard Dawkins :
Why are there still Chimpanzees?




richard dawkins is a top level freemason and mind control puppeteer
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Reply #127 - Aug 26th, 2017 at 5:30pm
 
if humans descended from apes then why are there still apes???  Undecided
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Reply #128 - Aug 26th, 2017 at 5:47pm
 
We descended from a common ape ancestor.

Plenty of room for man and apes.
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Reply #129 - Aug 26th, 2017 at 6:12pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 5:47pm:
We descended from a common ape ancestor.

Plenty of room for man and apes.

We all originated from a primordial soup, unless aliens put humans on the planet, if they did they have a lot to answer for.
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Reply #130 - Aug 26th, 2017 at 6:18pm
 
Why cant scientists create life, they have all the ingredients.
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Reply #131 - Aug 26th, 2017 at 6:23pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 5:47pm:
We descended from a common ape ancestor.

Plenty of room for man and apes.



And one line of apes evolved,       and evolved,       and evolved,       and evolved,       and evolved,     and after millions of years they became the species we know as 'mankind'.

But a lot of other apes refused to evolve, because they were happy to remain who they were.

And so, today, we have apes and mankind living in the same time period.



Sounds like something [a hypothesis] that someone with a mind like Richard Dawkins could have dreamed up.

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Re: Hu-man Did Not Descend from Apes
Reply #132 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 11:14am
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 5:30pm:
if humans descended from apes then why are there still apes???  Undecided


Because we didn't descend from modern apes.
Modern apes and humans had a common ancestor.


Quote:
Humans did not evolve from monkeys. Humans are more closely related to modern apes than to monkeys, but we didn't evolve from apes, either. Humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees. Scientists believe this common ancestor existed
5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/faq/cat02.html



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Reply #133 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 11:23am
 
Yadda wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 6:23pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 5:47pm:
We descended from a common ape ancestor.

Plenty of room for man and apes.



And one line of apes evolved,       and evolved,       and evolved,       and evolved,       and evolved,     and after millions of years they became the species we know as 'mankind'.

But a lot of other apes refused to evolve, because they were happy to remain who they were.

And so, today, we have apes and mankind living in the same time period.



Sounds like something [a hypothesis] that someone with a mind like Richard Dawkins could have dreamed up.

/sarc off



All animals evolve or they go extinct.

An upright gait is more energy efficient than a four legged one, hence a few more babies to a population of apes walking more upright. Hence the upright gait became the dominant one among H. sapiens ancestors. Then the opposable thumb could aid manipulation of objects so the opposable thumb became the dominant trait etc.

Apes that locomoted using all four legs, or legs and arms if you like, evolved but without the upright gait did not evolve towards sapience.

There was nothing inevitable about the rise of H. sapiens, nor was or is his survival guaranteed. For all our big brains—we are the only animal that chits in its own nest.
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