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Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:24pm
 
Hu-Man aka God-Man did not descend from the apes

The Freemason ,Darwin and his foolish and non factual theory is debunked ..

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Of Apes and Men: Chromosome 2 in Humans and the Chimpanzee

by      Will Brooks, Ph.D.

[EDITOR’S NOTE: The following article was written by A.P. staff scientist Will Brooks, who holds a Ph.D. in Cell Biology from the University of Alabama at Birmingham.]

“The Evolution of Creationism.” No, you did not misread the statement. This was the title of a symposium that I recently attended at the Experimental Biology 2009 National Conference held in New Orleans, Louisiana (Forrest and Miller, 2009). At this symposium, a couple of the more vocal evolutionists gave a detailed account of how creationists’ thinking has allegedly “evolved” over the last 20 years. The speakers gave a chronological history of landmark court cases regarding the creation/evolution debate and marked how creationists have repeatedly changed their strategies for battling evolutionary thought. (Answering this historical interpretation is beyond the scope of this article, though much could be said in response to this claim.) One of the speakers at this symposium was Dr. Kenneth Miller, a biology professor at Brown University. Miller is a researcher and author, but is well known in large part for his testimony at the 2005 Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District trial (Kitzmiller v. Dover..., 2005). In this well-publicized court case, parents battled the Dover, Pennsylvania School Board over a statement that the school board developed to be read in 9th grade science class when evolution was taught. Led by Kitzmiller, these parents fought to have the statement removed, because it posited intelligent design as an alternative to Darwin’s theory. Within those courts, Miller gave testimony which was designed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that evolution was the only explanation for the origin of life. One of the key points of Miller’s testimony, which he kindly recounted at the symposium, regarded the then-recent report that human chromosome 2 looks like it is a fusion of two different chimpanzee chromosomes (Wienberg, et al., 1994).

Humans (Homo sapiens) have 46 chromosomes which make up their nuclear DNA genome; this number is known as the diploid number. Half of these 46 chromosomes are always donated by the mother and half by the father. So, mom and dad each contribute 23 chromosomes—the haploid number—to their offspring. Therefore, the 46 nuclear chromosomes, that all humans possess within their cells, are actually 23 pairs of identical chromosomes. (To be more precise, females have 23 identical pairs, while males have 22 pairs that are identical and the sex chromosomes, X and Y, are paired but not identical.) This diploid number of 46 (23 pairs) is, however, unique to humans among their alleged primate relatives. Genetically speaking, those species which have DNA sequences most similar to that of humans are the great apes. Each of the four species of ape (chimpanzee, gorilla, bonobo, and orangutan) possesses 48 chromosomes or 24 pairs, compared to the 46 chromosomes of humans. However, the genetic difference between Homo sapiens and their alleged primate relatives is significant.

Of the four species of great apes, also known as hominids, the chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes) harbors the most similar DNA sequence to humans, making it genetically the closest to Homo sapiens. As was discussed by Miller in his court testimony, interestingly, if one takes a close look at the gross physical appearance (karyotype) of both human and chimpanzee chromosomes, one finds that all of the chromosomes can be matched between species, except the human chromosome 2. This chromosome is unique in that it looks like a hybrid or fusion of two chimpanzee chromosomes known now as chromosomes 2A and 2B. The similarities are striking and quite convincing that Homo sapiens chromosome 2 is the counterpart of the chimpanzee chromosomes 2A and 2B. This accounts for the difference in diploid numbers between humans and four species of great ape. Humans have 23 pairs including a single chromosome 2 (46 total), while the great apes have 24 pairs including the distinct chromosomes 2A and 2B (48 total). Miller and a host of evolutionists have jumped on this alleged chromosomal fusion as evidence that humans, the chimpanzee, and other hominids all descended from one common ancestor.

Three explanations could account for this proposed chromosomal fusion. One lends itself to an evolutionist’s view and two to the viewpoint of intelligent design. First, consider the evolutionist’s explanation. Most modern evolutionary biologists do not claim that humans evolved from chimpanzees or any of the other living apes. Instead, it is proposed that humans and the great apes all evolved separately from one now extinct common ancestor through independent evolutionary lines (Figure 1). Allegedly, that one common ancestor of man and the hominids possessed a diploid number of 48. As this species evolved into the chimpanzee, gorilla, and orangutan, the total chromosomal number remained constant at 48.
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Reply #1 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:27pm
 
In contrast, as that same common ancestor evolved into a human, two of the 48 chromosomes underwent a genetic malfunction and were fused together to produce a new species with a diploid number of 46.

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Figure 1: Evolutionary Map of Proposed Ape and Human Descent. Note the chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes) and the bonobo or pigmy chimpanzee are grouped together.


There are problems with this explanation. First, this hypothesis openly assumes that the chromosomal fusion took place after humans supposedly split from the apes in the proposed evolutionary tree. Allegedly at some point in the past, a human ancestor’s DNA underwent a genetic fusion between two of its chromosomes. This event occurred in no other species. Does this provide evidence that humans share a common ancestor with apes? No. This line of thinking provides no empirical evidence that humans and apes share a common ancestor. All that it really does is suggest that a past human may have undergone this genetic change. In order for this fusion event to demonstrate common ancestry with the chimpanzee, there would have to be some link between the fusion event and the great apes. But no such link exists. The fused-looking chromosome is specific to humans, so it does not directly connect with the great apes. Therefore, it cannot be empirical evidence for a common link between Homo sapiens and the great apes. The only genetic “link” (which is no link at all) between humans and the apes is our close DNA sequence similarity. But this similarity is completely expected given the similar body structure, physiology, and biochemistry that we share with our primate friends. In reality, DNA sequence similarity is just as much evidence for common design as it is for evolution. In actuality, neither viewpoint is proven by the matter of similarity.

For the sake of argument, let us assume that evolutionists are correct and a distant human ancestor with 48 chromosomes did evolve into a new species with 46 chromosomes via the chromosome 2 fusion event. Did this event occur in a single individual or simultaneously in an entire population? Mutations of this nature are certainly rare, but they do occur occasionally. However, the probability that this mutation would occur simultaneously in multiple individuals is so staggeringly low that we can assume its impossibility. At best, the mutation occurred in a single individual. How then was it propagated from one individual to his or her offspring and eventually to every human? Chromosomal rearrangements of this nature are not easily passed to offspring. When mutations of this magnitude occur, they pose serious problems for an organism when the process of gamete production occurs. Gametes are the egg and sperm cells used to form a new individual during sexual reproduction. The process of generating gametes is a special form of cell division known as meiosis. During this process, a specific alignment of chromosomal pairs always occurs and is essential for meiosis. This alignment is dependent on the near-identical structure and sequence of chromosomal pairs. If an individual carries a mutation such as a chromosomal fusion, then he or she will often be unable to produce gametes, because meiosis will fail to occur properly due to improper alignment of the now non-identical chromosome pairs. Today, we know chromosomal fusion to be one cause of infertility. In some cases, meiosis can find a way to complete despite non-identical chromosomal pairs. However, the gametes that result, or the offspring produced by fertilization with these gametes, usually have a short lifespan due to genetic problems. Problems associated with chromosomal alignment lead to spontaneous miscarriages and genetic abnormalities such as Down’s Syndrome.

A third problem with the hypothesis of a chromosomal fusion in human ancestry lies in the complete absence of humans with 48 chromosomes. If it were true that a chromosomal split occurred in human evolution, then two distinct human groups would have been generated: one containing 48 chromosomes which were not altered by any genetic change, and a second containing 46 chromosomes including the fusion of chromosome 2 (Figure 2). The problem is, however, that no humans have 48 chromosomes. The only possible historical explanation is that an entire population of 48-chromosome humans became extinct and was replaced by a 46-chromosome human race. For this scenario to have occurred, a very strong positive selection must have favored the diploid number of 46 over that of 48 (Bowers, 2003). Unfortunately for evolutionists, the paradox is that the same selection would be expected for the other apes as well. Apes, however, maintained a chromosome number of 48. Because of the known problems of infertility that go along with large genomic rearrangements, natural selection would actually operate against this proposed chromosomal fusion. The fitness for survival for such individuals would be extremely low. Taken together, no evidence supports common ancestry between humans and chimpanzees via chromosome 2 fusion.
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Reply #2 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:28pm
 
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Figure 2: Evolutionary Map of Human Divergence Following Chromosome 2 Fusion.


So, if humans were not a split from the ape lineage in evolutionary theory, there are two other explanations for the appearance of human chromosome 2. The first explanation is that an intelligent designer created humans with 48 chromosomes, but they underwent the fusion sometime following Creation. At first glance, this explanation might appear to be a combination of creation and evolution—but only if “evolution” is defined as microevolution. Let us assume that God created humans with a diploid number of 48 chromosomes, and that they were in all respects the same as humans today except in chromosome number. Later, a fusion occurred between two chromosomes to give humans 46 chromosomes just like ourselves. This would be an example of microevolution. A genetic change occurred, but did not alter the species by creating a new distinct species. Unfortunately, this explanation holds up no better than that of the evolutionist’s common ancestry theory. As described above, the problems of infertility, low survival fitness, and the absence of humans with 48 chromosomes today make this explanation improbable for the appearance of chromosome 2. It could be argued that Noah or his wife (Genesis 6) contained the chromosome 2 fusion and thus repopulated the Earth following the great Flood with this genomic alteration. If Noah or his wife contained a fusion of chromosomes 2A and 2B, then their offspring would have a 50% chance of receiving this chromosome. Then, offspring from their sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth, would have only a 25% chance of receiving the altered chromosome 2. With each successive generation, the probability of maintaining the altered chromosome would reduce by one-half. These genetic frequencies of passage to offspring, coupled with the likelihood of infertility and genetic syndromes, make the Noah hypothesis unlikely as well.

The only remaining explanation for the similarity of human chromosome 2 to chromosomes 2A and 2B in the chimpanzee is that God created mankind with 46 chromosomes including a second chromosome with the visible characteristics that we see today. No evidence or any line of rational thought can explain how a single human underwent a genetic chromosomal fusion and passed that alteration to all of mankind—except that he was created by God at the beginning, along with woman, with that chromosomal makeup.

Atheists have asked why God would purposefully create a human chromosome that “looks” like the fusion of two chromosomes. At this stage of understanding, we do not know. Recall God’s words: “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:8-9, ESV). Eliphaz rightly stated: “He catches the wise in their own craftiness, and the schemes of the wily are brought to a quick end” (Job 5:13, ESV). We cannot know God’s intentions for creating us as we exist, nor can we know why He created chimpanzees with such close genetic similarities to humans. We can know, however, that despite the close similarities in genetics, anatomy, physiology, and biochemistry between Homo sapiens and Pan troglodytes, man can think and reason far beyond the chimpanzee or any other living organism. (It is doubtful that genetics will ever solely explain that difference.) But, the greatest difference will always be that man alone has an immortal soul which is yet another created gift from God.

We will continue to learn as we delve deeper into our studies of biology and the living world. We may well discover an explanation. But, there will always be questions which cannot be answered, puzzles which cannot be solved. While God has placed some of His creation beyond our ability to discover, He has left other parts of it for us to ponder. What we can know is that the evolutionists’ “argument” regarding chromosome 2 in no way proves that humans evolved from apes.

REFERENCES

Bowers, Evelyn J. (2003), “Chromosomal Speciation,” Science, 301[5634]: 764-5.

Forrest, Barbara and Kenneth R. Miller (2009), “The Evolution of Creationism,” Experimental Biology 2009, [On-line], URL: http://www.eb2009.org/.

Kitzmiller vs. Dover Area School District (2005), Case No. 04cv2688, [On-line], URL: http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmiller/kitzmiller_342.pdf.

Weinberg Johannes, et al. (1994), “The Origin of Human Chromosome 2 Analyzed by Comparative Chromo-some Mapping with a DNA Micro-library,” Chromosome Research, 2:405-410.
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Reply #4 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:37pm
 
And then we learned Orangutans are being prostituted

That's right.  People travel overseas to indulge in bestiality with captive animals

Time to pack this experiment up and consign all humans to the tip
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Reply #5 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:49pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
Darwin and his foolish and non factual theory is debunked ..

Darwin never said that man evolved from (modern) apes.  Man and other apes all evolved from a common ancestor.
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Reply #6 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:59pm
 
rabbitoh08 wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:49pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
Darwin and his foolish and non factual theory is debunked ..

Darwin never said that man evolved from (modern) apes.  Man and other apes all evolved from a common ancestor.


many blessings rabbitoh08

pls provide proof of your abstract claims

yet either way be at peace

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Reply #7 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:00pm
 
PZ547 wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:37pm:
And then we learned Orangutans are being prostituted

That's right.  People travel overseas to indulge in bestiality with captive animals

Time to pack this experiment up and consign all humans to the tip


many blessings PZ547

there are many sick individuals upon this world

those that indulge in these acts are clearly demon possessed

may the lord have mercy upon them

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Reply #8 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:03pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:59pm:
rabbitoh08 wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:49pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
Darwin and his foolish and non factual theory is debunked ..

Darwin never said that man evolved from (modern) apes.  Man and other apes all evolved from a common ancestor.


many blessings rabbitoh08

pls provide proof of your abstract claims

yet either way be at peace

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actually, you were the one who first claimed he said we came from apes, it's up there in your thread title ... it's up to you to provide proof.
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Reply #9 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:04pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:00pm:
PZ547 wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:37pm:
And then we learned Orangutans are being prostituted

That's right.  People travel overseas to indulge in bestiality with captive animals

Time to pack this experiment up and consign all humans to the tip


many blessings PZ547

there are many sick individuals upon this world

those that indulge in these acts are clearly demon possessed

may the lord have mercy upon them

namaste


I'd rather he had mercy on the Orangutans and let the people that do that sh1t burn in hell
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Reply #10 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:10pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:00pm:
PZ547 wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:37pm:
And then we learned Orangutans are being prostituted

That's right.  People travel overseas to indulge in bestiality with captive animals

Time to pack this experiment up and consign all humans to the tip


many blessings PZ547

there are many sick individuals upon this world

those that indulge in these acts are clearly demon possessed

may the lord have mercy upon them

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Reply #11 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:12pm
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:04pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:00pm:
PZ547 wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:37pm:
And then we learned Orangutans are being prostituted

That's right.  People travel overseas to indulge in bestiality with captive animals

Time to pack this experiment up and consign all humans to the tip


many blessings PZ547

there are many sick individuals upon this world

those that indulge in these acts are clearly demon possessed

may the lord have mercy upon them

namaste


I'd rather he had mercy on the Orangutans and let the people that do that sh1t burn in hell


Smiley


Not sure there's any burning in hell

but I did surmise that humans be consigned to the tip

I'm fine with animals staying
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Reply #12 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:15pm
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:03pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:59pm:
rabbitoh08 wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:49pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
Darwin and his foolish and non factual theory is debunked ..

Darwin never said that man evolved from (modern) apes.  Man and other apes all evolved from a common ancestor.


many blessings rabbitoh08

pls provide proof of your abstract claims

yet either way be at peace

namaste


actually, you were the one who first claimed he said we came from apes, it's up there in your thread title ... it's up to you to provide proof.


many blessings

incorrect = john smith

this illusion is mainstream thought brought about by disinformationalistical teachings ..and so ,

you are forgiven for blaming one such as I am for mass retardations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

Human evolution


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Human evolution is the evolutionary process that led to the emergence of anatomically modern humans. The topic typically focuses on the evolutionary history of the primates—in particular the genus Homo, and the emergence of Homo sapiens as a distinct species of the hominids (or "great apes")—rather than studying the earlier history that led to the primates. The study of human evolution involves many scientific disciplines, including physical anthropology, primatology, archaeology, paleontology, neurobiology, ethology, linguistics, evolutionary psychology, embryology and genetics.[1] Genetic studies show that primates diverged from other mammals about 85 million years ago, in the Late Cretaceous period, and the earliest fossils appear in the Paleocene, around 55 million years ago.[2] Within the Hominoidea (apes) superfamily, the Hominidae family diverged from the Hylobatidae (gibbon) family some 15–20 million years ago; African great apes (subfamily Homininae) diverged from orangutans (Ponginae) about 14 million years ago; the Hominini tribe (humans, Australopithecines and other extinct biped genera, and chimpanzees) parted from the Gorillini tribe (gorillas) about 8 million years ago; and, in turn, the subtribes Hominina (humans and biped ancestors) and Panina (chimps) separated about 7.5 million years ago to 5.6 million years ago.[3]

The basic adaptation of the hominin line is bipedalism. The earliest bipedal hominin is considered to be either Sahelanthropus or Orrorin; alternatively, either Sahelanthropus or Orrorin may instead be the last shared ancestor between chimps and humans. Ardipithecus, a full biped, arose somewhat later, and the early bipeds eventually evolved into the australopithecines, and later into the genus Homo.

The earliest documented representative of the genus Homo is Homo habilis, which evolved around 2.8 million years ago,[4] and is arguably the earliest species for which there is positive evidence of the use of stone tools. The brains of these early hominins were about the same size as that of a chimpanzee, although it has been suggested that this was the time in which the human SRGAP2 gene doubled, producing a more rapid wiring of the frontal cortex. During the next million years a process of rapid encephalization occurred, and with the arrival of Homo erectus and Homo ergaster in the fossil record, cranial capacity had doubled to 850 cm3.[5] (Such an increase in human brain size is equivalent to each generation having 125,000 more neurons than their parents.) It is believed that Homo erectus and Homo ergaster were the first to use fire and complex tools, and were the first of the hominin line to leave Africa, spreading throughout Africa, Asia, and Europe between 1.3 to 1.8 million years ago.

According to the recent African origin of modern humans theory, modern humans evolved in Africa possibly from Homo heidelbergensis, Homo rhodesiensis or Homo antecessor and migrated out of the continent some 50,000 to 100,000 years ago, gradually replacing local populations of Homo erectus, Denisova hominins, Homo floresiensis and Homo neanderthalensis.[6][7][8][9][10] Archaic Homo sapiens, the forerunner of anatomically modern humans, evolved in the Middle Paleolithic between 400,000 and 250,000 years ago.[11][12][13] Recent DNA evidence suggests that several haplotypes of Neanderthal origin are present among all non-African populations, and Neanderthals and other hominins, such as Denisovans, may have contributed up to 6% of their genome to present-day humans, suggestive of a limited inter-breeding between these species.[14][15][16] The transition to behavioral modernity with the development of symbolic culture, language, and specialized lithic technology happened around 50,000 years ago according to many anthropologists[17] although some suggest a gradual change in behavior over a longer time span.[18]

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Reply #13 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 1:41pm
 
Just as a matter of interest, author Oscar Kiss Maerth wrote a book decades ago, before monopolization of publishing

His book was entitled: 'And The Beginning Was the End' or similar

It's a fascinating read and spends quite a bit of time detailing archaeological discoveries which few are aware of even today, involving mass cannibalism as revealed through smashed skulls and bones generally

It's the author's belief, which is substantiated by archaeologists and others, that the skulls were smashed to get at the brains, while the long bones were smashed for the marrow

The author believes the males ate the brains whereas women and kids had to settle for the marrow

Eating brains, says the author, resulted in the fabled 'missing link'.  He said brain-consumption led to increased intelligence in the cannibals

Interestingly, decades later, science devised an experiment whereby rats were required to run a maze to get at a reward.  Some rats were better at it than others.  The smarter rats' brains were extracted and put into a centrifuge, after which that was fed to other rats.  Scientists observed that those rats which had been fed concentrated extract of their smarter predecessors' brains themselves executed the maze-run much faster than the control-rats.  The experiments were conducted repeatedly, with the same results

The rat-experiments thus tallied with the conclusions of the book's author

The author arrived at the conclusion that the Biblical Tree which plays such a central role in the Adam and Eve saga, was in fact originally regarded as the Tree of Knowledge, with the eating of brains the real 'apple', or forbidden-fruit

The book contains many photographs of primates.  And beneath each are matching photos of humans of varying ethnicities

Interesting book that raised (and still does) outrage amongst many to the point it's long been out of print and suffers these days at the hands of those who ridicule and deride it in the hope no one will buy whatever copies remain.  In other words, modern-day book-burning

Another very interesting book is entitled, 'The Bible Came From Arabia'.  The author provides maps which show that a small area in Yemen was actually the 'holy lands', complete with place names/locations matching those in the Bible compared with the failure of those with a vested interest to locate those places in Palestine and surrounding regions.  Again, this book has been victim of today's equivalent of book burning
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Reply #14 - Sep 18th, 2016 at 2:27pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:59pm:
rabbitoh08 wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:49pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Sep 18th, 2016 at 12:24pm:
Darwin and his foolish and non factual theory is debunked ..

Darwin never said that man evolved from (modern) apes.  Man and other apes all evolved from a common ancestor.


many blessings rabbitoh08

pls provide proof of your abstract claims

yet either way be at peace

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errrr....perhaps you should read Darwin's "Descent of Man"?

If the anthropomorphous apes be admitted to form a natural sub-group... we may infer that some ancient member of the anthropomorphous sub-group gave birth to man.
http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Darwin/Descent/descent6.htm

He did not say that human evolved from apes (which, given that humans are apes, is actually a meaningless thing to say).  He said man and other apes shared a common ancestor.
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