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Reply #32 - Sep 13^th, 2016 at 12:40pm

So why are you so keen to dismiss this? Do you support what they did in the Senate? Or are you like Aussie and feel compelled to announce your disinterest in certain topics?

Have you managed to come up with what you see as an equivalent failure by the media on an issue you don't consider to be a dead horse?

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Reply #33 - Sep 13^th, 2016 at 12:42pm

freediver wrote on Sep 13^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

So why are you so keen to dismiss this? Do you support what they did in the Senate? Or are you like Aussie and feel compelled to announce your disinterest in certain topics?

Have you managed to come up with what you see as an equivalent failure by the media on an issue you don't consider to be a dead horse?

I believe you are paid for your campaigns.

As a person of undue influence in this forum Freediver should expose all his personal issues and those he is paid for.

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Reply #34 - Sep 13^th, 2016 at 2:50pm

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

This coup has been permitted by a mainstream media that is asleep at the wheel. No major outlet reported on the Senate decision of August 31. They did report on Labor and the Coalition reaching an agreement to do this several weeks earlier. However, the reporting on this agreement simply quoted the insipid justifications given by the major parties and lacked any critical analysis or hard questions.

What exactly were you expecting FD? The actual facts of the case have been widely reported - that the 1998 and 2010 legislation was passed, but in this election the major parties agreed to use the old method. I think the Australian public are grown up enough to put two and two together. Your beef seems to be that there is not much rabid frothing at the mouth about it by the media. And yet, all the relevant facts have been reported. Exactly what sort of "critical analysis" or "hard questions" did you have in mind? "boo hoo - why are you being so unfair?"?

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Reply #35 - Sep 13^th, 2016 at 3:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13^th, 2016 at 2:50pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

This coup has been permitted by a mainstream media that is asleep at the wheel. No major outlet reported on the Senate decision of August 31. They did report on Labor and the Coalition reaching an agreement to do this several weeks earlier. However, the reporting on this agreement simply quoted the insipid justifications given by the major parties and lacked any critical analysis or hard questions.

What exactly were you expecting FD? The actual facts of the case have been widely reported - that the 1998 and 2010 legislation was passed, but in this election the major parties agreed to use the old method. I think the Australian public are grown up enough to put two and two together. Your beef seems to be that there is not much rabid frothing at the mouth about it by the media. And yet, all the relevant facts have been reported. Exactly what sort of "critical analysis" or "hard questions" did you have in mind? "boo hoo - why are you being so unfair?"?

"Don't you care" Gandalf?

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Reply #36 - Sep 13^th, 2016 at 3:26pm

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13^th, 2016 at 2:50pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

This coup has been permitted by a mainstream media that is asleep at the wheel. No major outlet reported on the Senate decision of August 31. They did report on Labor and the Coalition reaching an agreement to do this several weeks earlier. However, the reporting on this agreement simply quoted the insipid justifications given by the major parties and lacked any critical analysis or hard questions.

What exactly were you expecting FD? The actual facts of the case have been widely reported - that the 1998 and 2010 legislation was passed, but in this election the major parties agreed to use the old method. I think the Australian public are grown up enough to put two and two together. Your beef seems to be that there is not much rabid frothing at the mouth about it by the media. And yet, all the relevant facts have been reported. Exactly what sort of "critical analysis" or "hard questions" did you have in mind? "boo hoo - why are you being so unfair?"?

"Don't you care" Gandalf?

I care about the monopoly of the major parties - which is the root cause of these sorts of shenanigans. Unfortunately the people ultimately responsible for this is the Australian public, and there's only so many excuses you can make for them. And I don't think demanding that the media spoon feed some confected outrage is the solution here.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: Media asleep at the wheel on stolen senate seats Reply #37 - Sep 13^th, 2016 at 3:52pm I agree entirely. FD is pissed off that the schmedia did not champion his particular beef, is all. It is very easy to gauge the level of general interest in the substantive issue and FD's whinge about lack of what he reckons ought to have been a schmedia outrage.
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Reply #38 - Sep 13^th, 2016 at 4:01pm

freediver wrote on Sep 13^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

So why are you so keen to dismiss this? Do you support what they did in the Senate? Or are you like Aussie and feel compelled to announce your disinterest in certain topics?

Have you managed to come up with what you see as an equivalent failure by the media on an issue you don't consider to be a dead horse?

can anyone explain why this isnt in relationships.. where it belongs..it after all about people liking other people.. isnt it??.

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Reply #39 - Sep 13^th, 2016 at 4:18pm

cods wrote on Sep 13^th, 2016 at 4:01pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 13^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

So why are you so keen to dismiss this? Do you support what they did in the Senate? Or are you like Aussie and feel compelled to announce your disinterest in certain topics?

Have you managed to come up with what you see as an equivalent failure by the media on an issue you don't consider to be a dead horse?

can anyone explain why this isnt in relationships.. where it belongs..it after all about people liking other people.. isnt it??.

Patience, Cods, patience. Wink

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Reply #40 - Sep 13^th, 2016 at 6:53pm

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As a person of undue influence in this forum Freediver should expose all his personal issues and those he is paid for.

The only money I get from this is the advertising and occasional donations, which barely cover the running costs. As for my personal issues, I have dediocated the entire site to exposing them. What exactly is it you think I left out? Is it inconceivable to you that a person would genuinely hold the opinions I do?

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What exactly were you expecting FD? The actual facts of the case have been widely reported -

Obviously not

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- that the 1998 and 2010 legislation was passed

No relevant legislation was passed in these years. This is as good a demonstration as any of the failure of the media to report on this, and you are one of the more informed people.

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And I don't think demanding that the media spoon feed some confected outrage is the solution here.

I expect the media to report the facts. The articles on this consistently left out very important facts.

The August 31 vote in the senate was not reported at all by most outlets. The only article I could find was on AustralianPolitics.com, which did not actually report the date of the vote.

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Reply #41 - Sep 13^th, 2016 at 7:01pm

freediver wrote on Sep 13^th, 2016 at 6:53pm:

As for my personal issues, I have dediocated the entire site to exposing them.

No you haven't. You hide behind the grassy knoll until posts that personally affect you appear. The you snipe.

As the professed BBS owner you should lay your cards on the table.

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Reply #42 - Sep 13^th, 2016 at 9:29pm

freediver wrote on Sep 13^th, 2016 at 6:53pm:

No relevant legislation was passed in these years. This is as good a demonstration as any of the failure of the media to report on this, and you are one of the more informed people.

No its not, its only a good demonstration of me comprehending poorly. The facts non-the-less were reported.

freediver wrote on Sep 13^th, 2016 at 6:53pm:

The August 31 vote in the senate was not reported at all by most outlets.

Probably because the decision was made on August 12 and the August 31 vote was a mere rubber stamp.

But if you actually looked at the reporting on the August 12 decision, it was widely reported and widely analysed - including much criticism.

eg...
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/12/senate-terms-derryn-hinch...

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coalition-and-labor-team-u...

http://theconversation.com/major-parties-to-allocate-long-and-short-senate-terms...

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Reply #44 - Sep 13^th, 2016 at 10:39pm

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No its not, its only a good demonstration of me comprehending poorly.

This has been happening for a month now. As Aussie likes to point out, it is already over. And you are still trying to understand what happened? What does that tell you about the media coverage of this? You have not been living under a rock Gandalf. The media has failed, miserably.

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The facts non-the-less were reported.

Can you show me some articles on the August 31 senate vote? How about some articles highlighting the difference between what the major parties promised in 1998 and 2010 and what they delivered in 2016? How about some quotes from politicians responding to questions from journalists about the discrepancy?

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Probably because the decision was made on August 12 and the August 31 vote was a mere rubber stamp.

In other words, a fact that was not reported.

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But if you actually looked at the reporting on the August 12 decision, it was widely reported and widely analysed - including much criticism.

I read the first article you gave. It completely failed to mention the resolutions of 1998 and 2010. Do you think they are not relevant Gandalf? Why are you so keen to defend shoddy journalism?

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