People like myself are not insulting ISLAM, and we are not insulting moslems.



How could it realistically, be construed as 'insulting' to moslems, or, intended to 'hurt the feelings' of moslems, simply because what ISLAM clearly teaches and promotes, is being examined and scrutinised [and exposed], by persons who are not moslems ?


QUESTION;



QUESTION;
Do moslems have 'hurt the feelings' because those who are not moslems, have opinions about ISLAM,       .....which do not align with the views which moslems themselves hold, about ISLAM ?

That proposition is absurd, imo.

I am talking about the proposition that,      .....persons shouldn't be allowed to have or openly express opinions, when those opinions can 'hurt the feelings' of others ? !!!

n.b.
Incitement to violence, is 'a different kettle of fish' altogether.






How could it be 'insulting' to moslems, or, 'hurt the feelings' of moslems,
.....for persons who are not moslems;
1/ if they were to critically examine and scrutinise statements which many moslems themselves often make, about the nature of their faith [i.e. ISLAM],
and,
2/ for persons who are not moslems, to read and critically examine what is often plainly stated within [for example] the Koran [and other ISLAMIC texts] ?


Why does it 'hurt the feelings' of moslems, when others [after examination of ISLAMIC sourced documents] are permitted to form a proposition or a conclusion or an opinion, ABOUT the worldview which moslems and ISLAM promote ?





But surely, if moslems are want to make such claims [against people like myself], then i would argue, that it is up to the advocates and apologists for ISLAM or for moslems [themselves], to actively and meaningfully enter into the debate,        .....and to present credible evidence, arguments and facts, which would support their case/accusations against people like myself ?






It is absurd, imo, for moslems [and others] [without presenting anything except the accusation itself], to weakly make a claim that people like myself are 'hurting the feelings' of moslems.


PROPOSITION;
Surely if all of the accusations which are today directed at ISLAM [and which are therefore also directed at moslems],       ....if those accusations of promoting malice and religious bigotry [towards those who are not moslems], are false and baseless,       ....then surely the moslem would be able to prove that case,       ....by citing the many [supposed, and unambiguous] examples within ISLAM's own foundation texts [which in themselves, are the basis of faith for the moslem], and which [would] prove ISLAM's benign nature ?


Dictionary;
malice = = the desire to do harm to someone; ill will.


I do not insult ISLAM, i do not insult moslems.

I simply declare and repeat things which ISLAM itself, has said and proclaimed.

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"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4





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THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST, 2006, IN LONDON READ.....






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Islamic Protest - IN AUSTRALIA - on the streets of Sydney from Hyde Park to George Streets, September 15, 2012.






Yadda asks.....


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469402078/0#0

Dear Yadda,
you are guilty of using the logical fallacy of

Exceptio probat regulam

exception that proves the rule.


You find evidence of Muslim radical extremists somewhere on the internet
& try to make out that all Muslims think that way.

I am certain that most Muslims just want to live a live of peace
like anybody else.

You also ignore the fact that it's Muslims themselves who have been the targets of almost all terrorist attacks.
Muslims are the victims of other Muslims.

you are forgiven for a logical fallacy

namaste

Started a poll:

Is Yadda guilty as charged of the
literary crime of using a logical fallacy? -

in this case

Exceptio probat regulam

exception that proves the rule.

freediver wrote on Aug 24^th, 2016 at 7:15pm:



How so?

Are you also saying that a few Muslim radicals with placards
wanting to behead us

represents the majority Muslim viewpoint?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2016 at 7:48pm:


It is not even a logical fallacy Bobby. Google it.

On what basis are you speaking on their behalf?

Would you mind linking to the site you are getting this from?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2016 at 8:18pm:


bobby,

gandalf is on the correct team !

gandalf knows, that ISLAM is a tolerant and peaceful religion !

So why would gandalf need to provide reasoned argument and evidence in support of his position ?



polite_gandalf wrote on May 14^th, 2016 at 10:59am:






bobby,

I'm sure that in gandalf's opinion, the fault [and the cause of the discord between the moslem community and the wider Australian community] lays with intolerant, hate filled bigots like myself,       .....persons who simply refuse to accept the sincere assurances of the beneficence of the moslem community, towards Australians who are not moslems.

/sarc off


Dictionary;
beneficent = = doing good or resulting in good.




bobby,

For example, this assuring and comforting statement which was published on website,       .....after the slaughter of Drummer Lee Rigby in 2013, on an English street [by persons purporting to be moslems].

Quote:
http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewstemplate&catid=82:mcb-news
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656

dead links ?

those statements were posted on, , website, in just 2013.

but unfortunately, those links are now dead.

but how could that be ???

Bobby. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:


No bobby.

THAT, is precisely NOT what i am doing, or saying.

What am i saying then ?

I am saying, that moslems associate themselves with ISLAM.

And that ISLAM encourages moslems to engage in Jihad [religious fighting] against infidels, whenever Allah, provides the moslem with the 'opportunity' to do so.

as per, this advice which is directed to moslems...

IMAGE...





Quote:

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...


QUESTION;
Where is the       Exceptio probat regulam       bobby ?







Bobby. wrote on Aug 24^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:







Your logic, while seemingly correct, is a fallacious logic bobby.

Why so ?

Because ISLAM teaches every moslem, that it is a mortal and unforgivable sin, for any moslem to knowingly and intentionally kill another moslem.



Its like that;

"We moslems condemn the killing of innocent people."

sophistry, which moslems use, so as to make moslems sound both harmless and virtuous people.

While they [moslems] withhold the KNOWLEDGE, that the moslem regards the non-moslem, as NOT an innocent person,        ...and therefore, every non-moslem, is deemed to be a person who may be lawfully killed by moslems.  !!!



bobby,

You must THINK in the way that the moslem thinks!!!

Like this.

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Moslems always fight against and kill those who they deem to be infidels.



I tried to explain this logic this twisted mental gymnastics, here bobby.

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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1467589828/0#0
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