Atheism & Beyond Presents..

Proving That Nobody Can Get Into Heaven.

I don't know anyone who "worships tolerance," although I think a fair proportion of people in the West think it is a better idea than intolerance.

As to the quote: monopolize the public square, expel those who disagree, and force a specific religion to disappear. Well, I cannot speak for anyone else, but you lot who fear the God of Abraham, have had a pretty good run of doing these dastardly things. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, you get all "Holier than thou" about it.

The true formula of atheism is not God is dead – even by basing the origin of the function of the father upon his murder, Freud protects the father – the true formula of atheism is God is unconscious.[1]

In order to properly understand this passage, one has to read it together with another thesis of Lacan. These two dispersed statements should be treated as the pieces of a puzzle to be combined into one coherent proposition. It is only their interconnection (plus the reference to the Freudian dream of the father who doesn’t know that he is dead) [2] that enables us to deploy Lacan’s basic thesis in its entirety:

As you know, the father Karamazov’s son Ivan leads the latter into those audacious avenues taken by the thought of the cultivated man, and in particular, he says, if God doesn’t exist… – If God doesn’t exist, the father says, then everything is permitted. Quite evidently, a naïve notion, for we analysts know full well that if God doesn’t exist, then nothing at all is permitted any longer. Neurotics prove that to us every day. [3]

The modern atheist thinks he knows that God is dead; what he doesn’t know is that, unconsciously, he continues to believe in God. What characterizes modernity is no longer the standard figure of the believer who secretly harbors intimate doubts about his belief and engages in transgressive fantasies; today, we have, on the contrary, a subject who presents himself as a tolerant hedonist dedicated to the pursuit of happiness, and whose unconscious is the site of prohibitions: what is repressed are not illicit desires or pleasures, but prohibitions themselves. “If God doesn’t exist, then everything is prohibited” means that the more you perceive yourself as an atheist, the more your unconscious is dominated by prohibitions which sabotage your enjoyment. (One should not forget to supplement this thesis with its opposite: if God exists, then everything is permitted – is this not the most succinct definition of the religious fundamentalist’s predicament? For him, God fully exists, he perceives himself as His instrument, which is why he can do whatever he wants, his acts are in advance redeemed, since they express the divine will…)

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Yeah that's the bottom line isn't it? What is your definition of God? And then I'll tell if I do or do not think that there is any credibility to that definition.

I've been involved in these debates over many years, and very little in recent years because I am happy that these debates caused me to research and come to a conclusion that sits well with me.

My conclusion is that religions have evolved (or de-evolved) through ancient astrology and allegorical stories which explained the movement of the planets as best as scientific observers could manage at the time. Personally, I think they were brilliant. The ancient religious (political) usurpers were not so brilliant, but successful in gaining control over many people.

Research on the existence of one "Jesus Christ" came up with absolutely nothing. The overwhelming evidence that such an amazing and magical person did not even exist reveals itself in the total lack of historical records. Of course "Jesus Christ" is merely an allegorical depiction of the sun, nothing more, nothing less.

I'm happy with the debates that I've been involved in because it caused me to seek the truth for myself and realise that I don't need to spend any more time on the religious argument when there are so many other things in life that deserve greater attention.i

Amadd wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 12:54am:



I don't believe that men, any man, has the intellectual capacity to understand what 'God' is, or to describe what 'God' is.

He is too, too high above us.

I certainly can't describe Him, without the use of superlatives.

He is just 'awesome', and imo, beyond our ken.




In scripture, God describes men, as like grasshoppers, in comparison to himself.

And he says too, that his ways are incomprehensible, to a man.

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

I believe.

And i have some sense, of all of my thoughts being vanity.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 14^th, 2017 at 5:37pm:

The heading of my post will take you to a piece that expands on the first few paragraphs I posted. Have a look at that link, read it. You will be p!ssed off, I expect, mostly because it will make you think like you haven't been made to think for years.

I am not asking you to accept it or agree with it. Just have a look.

Yadda wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 11:51am:


Then by what right does anyone have to claim that something they disagree with is against god's will?

Or that an event that happened was god's will?

Take hurricane Katrina for example, preachers claimed that the hurricane was god's will, punishment for the sins of homosexuality and debauchery. (Ignoring the fact that the one place that suffered the least damage was the red light district of New Orleans,. Y'know the place full of sin and debauchery)

It's a con job, modern day religion is so far removed from "god." Look at Oral Roberts "if I don't get 8 million dollars in 3 months god will kill me." Prick got $9 million.

God is a convenient, powerful tool to use against ignorant, downtrodden people. A method of control that keeps humanity from reaching its full potential. As long as religion exists we will always be slaves.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 17^th, 2017 at 9:25pm:



I am asking you what kind of definition of god do you want?
You wanted a definition of god. There is a definition of god in every dictionary but you obviously do not accept them. SO what definition would you accept?