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Reply #60 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 2:31pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 1:20pm:


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Have you ever found a GP that doesn't recommend eating more fresh fruit and veg and doing more exercise?
never come across one who has. Most of them know how to dispense pills, thats about it.
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Reply #61 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 2:32pm
 
Marla wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 1:53pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:30pm:
I wouldnt hold this of indicative that Naturopaths are all idiots.



They largely subscribe to a belief that has been repeatedly debunked as pseudoscience - which is idiotic in itself. 
wrong.
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Reply #62 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 2:40pm
 
rhino wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 2:32pm:
Marla wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 1:53pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:30pm:
I wouldnt hold this of indicative that Naturopaths are all idiots.



They largely subscribe to a belief that has been repeatedly debunked as pseudoscience - which is idiotic in itself. 
wrong.


How can homeopathy work?
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Reply #63 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 2:40pm
 
rhino wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 2:31pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 1:20pm:


Life advice
Have you ever found a GP that doesn't recommend eating more fresh fruit and veg and doing more exercise?
never come across one who has. Most of them know how to dispense pills, thats about it.


Actually, I tend to agree with that.

The majority of them seem to reach for the prescription pad as soon as you sit down.

If everyone ate more fruit & veg, and exercised regularly, there would be less need for us to visit doctors.

They're not exactly going to make themselves redundant on purpose.

"Pharmaceutical companies spent more than $43 million treating Australian health professionals to overseas trips, dinners, lunches and getaways in just six months."

Big Pharma spends $43 million on Health professionals in Australia

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Reply #64 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 3:01pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 2:40pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 2:32pm:
Marla wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 1:53pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:30pm:
I wouldnt hold this of indicative that Naturopaths are all idiots.



They largely subscribe to a belief that has been repeatedly debunked as pseudoscience - which is idiotic in itself. 
wrong.


How can homeopathy work?
Lots of things work without scientific foundation.
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Reply #65 - Aug 16th, 2016 at 3:21pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 2:40pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 2:32pm:
Marla wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 1:53pm:
rhino wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 8:30pm:
I wouldnt hold this of indicative that Naturopaths are all idiots.



They largely subscribe to a belief that has been repeatedly debunked as pseudoscience - which is idiotic in itself. 
wrong.


How can homeopathy work?


The placebo effect.

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Reply #66 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 6:11pm
 
Mothra, would you like to share your thoughts on homeopathy?
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Reply #67 - Aug 17th, 2016 at 6:29pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 2:00pm:
Valkie wrote on Aug 16th, 2016 at 1:47pm:
It seems that we, as consumers, take advice from doctors, who in turn take advice from drug companies who are in it to make money.

Every drug that has any effect on the body has side effects, not all are known.

But medicine has been around for centuries.
The Egyptians knew that placing a piece of moldy bread on a wound often prevented infection.
Honey, applied to a would also helps reduce infection.
Cloves help reduce tooth ache.

Many old wives tales are being revisited as some hold merit.

I'm not saying that naturopaths have all the answers, and I know doctors and chemist don't.
But some do work.
I have had acupuncture for my back and it worked wonders.
I have taken drugs to do the same with little or no effect, for years.

Judge by merit, if it works, use it. If it don't, stop.

But blindly saying that any one method is the only method is pure stupidity.

Good health starts at looking after your body.
Eating right and reducing the poisons we introduce into it.
Good natiropaths do not discount the needs of the body and the effects that the things we put in it have on it.

Good drugs, no matter how good, always have side effects and some are often worse that the desease.

Better to just eat right and exercise.
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What, the scientific method?


Just a quick read of your post added to the stupidity of the planet and it is attitudes like that, that leave children un-vaccinated.


Google and Youtube are not valid sources of scientific information



YES, We must accept that science is always right and knows it all.
That is why doctors wore beaks full of herbs to ward off the smell that caused the black plague.
That is why the great scientists of the past used blood letting as a cure for mental illness.
That is why the quacks today would rather give you pills than actually recommend a better lifestyle.

Some scientific facts that were found to be slightly wrong.
The world is Flat...............yeah that's rrrrrrrightttttttt.
Smoking is good for relaxation...............yep, and an early grave.
If you travel faster than 35 mph you will die.............We are all doomed, perhaps the RMA still believe this.
The use of electric shock, for all manner of illness.............BZZZZZZZZZ
Hysteria............the cure is quite interesting
I could go on.
Science is only as good as the scientists and the knowledge they have at their disposal.
And how do they get this knowledge, they learn and test.

Many witch doctors (as I'm sure you refer to natruopaths) have information gained from many years of real life testing.
In particular acupuncture, It has been used effectively for centuries.
OK it wont cure a heart condition or stuffed liver, but for many painful conditions that we are simply prescribed pain killers, it does work.

Discarding something just because you don't understand of believe it is, as you have stated (adding to the stupidity of the planet and it is attitudes)
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Reply #68 - Aug 19th, 2016 at 9:41pm
 
Mothra,  you weighed in on this pretty early but won't give your position on homeopathy?
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Reply #69 - Aug 19th, 2016 at 9:50pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 19th, 2016 at 9:41pm:
Mothra,  you weighed in on this pretty early but won't give your position on homeopathy? 


i have no "position" on homeopathy but i did have a long-term chronic condition cleared up in a dramatic way some years back while seeing a classical homeopath. i get a lot of schitt when i mention this from some people but i don't give a nukkin futz cause i ain't sick any more  Wink
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Reply #70 - Aug 19th, 2016 at 9:55pm
 
AiA wrote on Aug 19th, 2016 at 9:50pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 19th, 2016 at 9:41pm:
Mothra,  you weighed in on this pretty early but won't give your position on homeopathy? 


i have no "position" on homeopathy but i did have a long-term chronic condition cleared up in a dramatic way some years back while seeing a classical homeopath. i get a lot of schitt when i mention this from some people but i don't give a nukkin futz cause i ain't sick any more  Wink


Do you know you're being sold water?
Do you know all fully randomomized double blind plecebo controlled tests shows it doesn't work?
Lastly,  wouldn't you let Penn and Teller treat a medical condition?
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Reply #71 - Aug 19th, 2016 at 9:57pm
 
dunno. maybe it doesn't work. maybe there is something else at work. dunno. don't care. my previous condition was long-term and getting worse and some homeopathic pills led to a dramatic healing. that is all i can say.
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Reply #72 - Aug 19th, 2016 at 9:57pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 15th, 2016 at 7:37pm:
And so is anyone who uses them.

A Sydney naturopath will face trial over a raw food diet she allegedly devised for a breastfeeding mother, whose baby nearly starved to death.

Marilyn Bodnar, 60, has appeared in Campbelltown Local Court charged with recklessly causing grievous bodily harm and aiding or abetting failure to provide necessities of life to a child.

She is yet to enter a formal plea, however has indicated she will plead not guilty.

The prosecution alleges that in February 2015 a 33-year-old maternity ward nurse, who cannot be identified, went to the naturopath seeking advice for her baby son's eczema.

It is alleged Bodnar told the woman, who was still breastfeeding, the eczema was caused by toxins, which needed to be eliminated.

The court was told the naturopath devised a raw food diet for the woman, before advising her to subsist solely off water and watermelon for three days.

When relatives expressed concern over the woman's weight loss, Bodnar allegedly told her she was "fat and needed to lose weight".

The court heard the naturopath also said the baby boy's weight loss was his body's way of eliminating toxins.

The baby boy became sick and when the mother told Bodnar her child was projectile vomiting, the naturopath allegedly said it was good because he was "deeply eliminating" the toxins.

The court heard the eight-month-old boy was "just days" away from death when his mother ultimately took him to Westmead Hospital in May 2015.

Upon arrival at the hospital he weighed just 6.4 kilograms, was severely malnourished and dehydrated, had sunken eyes, dangerously low sodium levels, and flexed hands and feet.

He was also developmentally delayed, showing the equivalent skills of a three-month-old.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-15/sydney-naturopath-face-trial-over-alleg...


In this case the mother was the idiot for unquestioningly accepting erroneous advice.
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Reply #73 - Aug 19th, 2016 at 9:58pm
 
AiA wrote on Aug 19th, 2016 at 9:57pm:
dunno. maybe it doesn't work. maybe there is something else at work. dunno. don't care. my previous condition was long-term and getting worse and some homeopathic pills led to a dramatic healing. that is all i can say.


Someone prayed for you AiA. Wink
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Reply #74 - Aug 19th, 2016 at 10:00pm
 
Setanta wrote on Aug 19th, 2016 at 9:58pm:
AiA wrote on Aug 19th, 2016 at 9:57pm:
dunno. maybe it doesn't work. maybe there is something else at work. dunno. don't care. my previous condition was long-term and getting worse and some homeopathic pills led to a dramatic healing. that is all i can say.


Someone prayed for you AiA. Wink


Mary, Mother of God, performed a divine intervention?
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