Yadda wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 4:54pm:


What has this highlighted quote got to do with anything? I certainly didn't write it, and I don't see it anywhere else in the thread.

issuevoter wrote on Aug 10^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:


The above was post #15


Below, was post #01


issuevoter wrote on Aug 6^th, 2016 at 8:17am:

issuevoter wrote on Aug 11^th, 2016 at 12:45pm:



issuevoter,

People like Yadda should be gagged.

Religion is just plain WRONG.

And a respectful debate about philosophical issues, among modern rational men is what we should strive to achieve.

There is no place for 'religionists', among rational men, debating rational issues.

/sarc off





Religion, [is] a mediaeval form of unreason,.....
- Salman Rushdie



Yadda responded....
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Romans 1:21
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23  And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24  Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25  Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26  For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27  And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.



2 Timothy 3:1
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;



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Deuteronomy 8:2
And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.


Micah 6:8
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 12^th, 2016 at 12:03pm:



No matter the failings of man/men,      ....God [our creator] remains holy and pure, and trustworthy.




Deuteronomy 8:2
And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.


Deuteronomy 32:43
Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2016 at 10:41am:


bogarde73,

#1, I do accept the Genesis story of creation.  Is some of it allegorical ? Perhaps. But i do accept the Genesis story of creation.      [imo, this world and universe, this 'reality', is a 'construct'.]


#2, IMO, evolution is a theory only, i.e. a proposition.

Personally i believe that animals [including man] adapt to their environment, and that those with the most appropriate adaptation to their environment will be the most successful. [i.e. the "survival of the fittest" if you will.]

That is not evolution, imo.

I actually believe that Adam was the Alpha Man, and that men are devolving [that the 'never-ending' reproductive state/process, of mankind and other animals, tends to an inevitable corruption of the pattern].



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bogarde73,

I have composed, in the past, it must be, scores of posts here on OzPol, on the subject of creation and a young earth.


Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1332568105/110#110
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FURTHER.....

bogarde73,

If you google the strings below [individually] they will lead you to more/some of the same posts, on OzPol, where i have presented arguments and evidence in support of my arguments on creation, young earth.


site:http://www.ozpolitic.com/ yadda rapid petrification

site:http://www.ozpolitic.com/ yadda radiometric dating falsehood

site:http://www.ozpolitic.com/ yadda Lava Dome at Mount St. Helen

site:http://www.ozpolitic.com/ yadda T-rex soft tissue discovered

site:http://www.ozpolitic.com/ yadda T-rex soft tissue discovered national geographic




bogarde73,

Re rapid petrification [i.e. 'ancient fossils'],         ....it has been proven, SCIENTIFICALLY [by observation], that if prevailing environmental conditions are conducive, petrification of organic material can occur in less than ten years.   !!!

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 15^th, 2016 at 11:41am:





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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1242797856/66#66
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Google;
radiometric dating falsehood

Google;
rapid petrification

Google;
T-rex soft tissue discovered

AnotherJourneyByTrain said....
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PREPOSITION;
If there is a God of creation;

How can we love (a) 'God', if we don't know him, if we do not know 'of him' ?

i.e.
How can we love, what we don't know, or, what we have no understanding of ?

And whoever this 'God' is,          if he exists, he may be a very 'bad dude' [or, not] !

Exodus 15:3
The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.


Deuteronomy 32:39
See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
40  For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.
41  If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.


Q.
How can we know       the character of God       if we do not know him [because we chose not to search for him] ?

Q.
How can we know what God is like,        if indeed, we never find him ? !



I would offer;

The God of creation doesn't [normally] allow just any man or woman to know him [to know of him].


I would offer;

The God of creation exercises discrimination, in who he allows into his presence.



Dictionary;
discrimination = =
1 the action of discriminating against people.
2 recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.       good judgement or taste.


Dictionary;
discriminating = = having or showing good taste or judgement.


Q.
Why does God discriminate ?

Doesn't God love all of mankind, including, the wicked person and the abominable person, too ?

Is a God who discriminates, a 'flawed' God ?

Maybe !      

But, by whose measure or standard ?       




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Isaiah 42:1
Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2  He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3  A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
4  He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.


Q.
Who, are 'mine elect' ?

Q.
Why does God favour those who are identified as,       'my servant'     and      'mine elect' ?



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Exodus 19:5
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6  And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.


Leviticus 20:24
...I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people.


Leviticus 20:26
And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.

But why ?

Why does God want people, who 'should be mine' ?

Why does God want a 'separated' people, a people who 'shall be a peculiar treasure unto me' ?


2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


Revelation 22:10
And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
11  He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work...


Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15  For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.


Matthew 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)





'the holy place' ?