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Reply #15 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:58am
 
What did he do John? Withdraw subsidies was it?
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Reply #16 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 11:02am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 9:19am:
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I very much doubt it.


While there could be some trimming, we have managed to afford it during far worse economic times.
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Reply #17 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 11:03am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:03am:
Yes - with a little re-shuffling of priorities, such as taxation for major players currently reaping mega-profits, re-distribution of the burden of taxation away from the small earner, abolishing the GST and replacing the entire tax structure with a single tax, development of major industries using onshore investment etc, cancellation of 457s, abolition of the influence of major players on the political parties via donations and lobbying, abolition of NG or concessional capital gains and the investment of fund into productive growth and jobs (sic) areas, cancellation of TPPs that are discriminatory against us  .... you name it



How is the 'small earner' having the burden of taxation? The majority of small earners are paying ZERO net tax.
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Reply #18 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 11:04am
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:37am:
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:35am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:03am:
Yes - with a little re-shuffling of priorities, such as taxation for major players currently reaping mega-profits, re-distribution of the burden of taxation away from the small earner, abolishing the GST and replacing the entire tax structure with a single tax, development of major industries using onshore investment etc, cancellation of 457s, abolition of the influence of major players on the political parties via donations and lobbying, abolition of NG or concessional capital gains and the investment of fund into productive growth and jobs (sic) areas, cancellation of TPPs that are discriminatory against us  .... you name it


I only see one issue there Grappler critical to the ability to maintain standards of income.
Just what types of industries of sufficient scale do you have in mind? (Preferably not ones that will largely be robotic within 20 years)



the renewable energy industry is still in early stages. The potential is huge.

I also think some protectionism is inevitable.


You mean like in SA where r/e has caused a massive shortage of energy? The state with the highest power prices not just in australia but in the developed world?
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Re: Can the economy afford this anymore
Reply #19 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 11:09am
 
Panther,

you speak great words of wisdom.
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Re: Can the economy afford this anymore
Reply #20 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 11:10am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 11:03am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:03am:
Yes - with a little re-shuffling of priorities, such as taxation for major players currently reaping mega-profits, re-distribution of the burden of taxation away from the small earner, abolishing the GST and replacing the entire tax structure with a single tax, development of major industries using onshore investment etc, cancellation of 457s, abolition of the influence of major players on the political parties via donations and lobbying, abolition of NG or concessional capital gains and the investment of fund into productive growth and jobs (sic) areas, cancellation of TPPs that are discriminatory against us  .... you name it



How is the 'small earner' having the burden of taxation? The majority of small earners are paying ZERO net tax.



Such calculations are based on income tax - not on taxation overall..... while the lower earners may pay less in dollar terms, there are many, many more of them, so they pay the lion's share of taxes.
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Reply #21 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 11:18am
 
I wish Grappler would tell me which major industries he sees developing here.
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Reply #22 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 11:22am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 11:18am:
I wish Grappler would tell me which major industries he sees developing here.


I've offered you all the GAIA principle times many.... all it takes is the balls.... perhaps one major industry that could be developed here is the importation of testicular fortitude for managers and politicians.
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Reply #23 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 11:23am
 
Mr Smith,

renewable stuff is a Greenie pipe dream just like Labor's Dream Team.

Coal is where it is at.

To see where Sth Aust is at go to the LINK to see it all.
https://stopthesethings.com/2015/08/09/south-australias-unbridled-wind-power-ins...



South Australia’s Unbridled Wind Power Insanity: Wind Power Collapses see Spot Prices Rocket from $70 to $13,800 per MWh
August 9, 2015 by stopthesethings 6 Comments

Jay Weatherill: SA’s vapid Premier presides over the most expensive and pointless energy ‘policy’ in Australia, with disastrous results for all.

To call what South Australia’s Labor government has ‘gifted’ their constituents an energy ‘policy’, is to flatter it as involving some kind of genuine ‘design’. It’s an economic debacle, pure and simple.

The current mess started under former Premier, Mike Rann –  a former spin-doctor, whose relatives lined up at the wind power subsidy trough from the get-go.

Under its current vapid leader, Jay Weatherill, SA’s Labor government has been talking up a wind powered future for months now – he’s presiding over the worst unemployment in the Nation, at 8.2% and rising fast – and seems to thinks the answer is out there somewhere – ‘blowin’ in the wind’. Its wind power debacle has led to South Australians paying the highest power costs in the Nation – if not (on a purchasing power parity basis) the highest in the world – and, yet, the dimwits that run it wonder why it’s an economic train wreck (see our posts here and here).

A few posts back – always ready to rain on the wind industry’s parade – as well as the gullible and corrupt that cheer it on – we spelt it out in pictures – that even the most intellectually interrupted should be able to grasp:

The Wind Power Fraud (in pictures): Part 1 – the South Australian Wind Farm Fiasco
But that woeful missive merely drew focus on the pathetic performance of SA’s 17 wind farms; and their ‘notional’ installed capacity of 1,477MW – it has the greatest number of turbines per capita of all States – and the highest proportion of its generating capacity in wind power by a country mile.

June 2015 SA
Now, we’ll take a look at the effect on SA’s power market when wind-watts go completely AWOL, almost every other day. The chaos that wind power brings with it, has created the perfect opportunity for peaking power operators to make out like bandits at power consumers’ expense – simply because it can be predictably ‘relied’ on to disappear without warning.

Wind power driven, market chaos clearly has the Australian Energy Market Operator worried; as its ‘Pricing Event Report’ for July shows.
To make clear just what was driving rocketing spot prices, we’ve added pictures, care of Aneroid Energy.

And when we say ‘rocketing’ we mean with all the thrust of Apollo 11. For the year to date, SA’s average spot price for power is $72 per MWh (compared to Victoria’s $35) – the reason for the price difference might just come from the fact that the Victorians have a relatively tiny proportion of their generating capacity in wind power; and the largest coal-fired generators in the country.

Now, with SA’s average of $72 per MWh in mind, consider the number of occasions in July when – as wind power output collapses – the spot price approaches or hits the Market Price Cap.  That cap – currently $13,800 per MWh – sets the upper limit of what peaking power generators can extort from the system: for a rundown on how the National Energy Market is designed to work, see this paper: AEMO Fact

Sheet National Electricity Market
That’s the ‘design’; here’s the shocking reality.
Pricing Event Reports – July 2015
28 July SA
Electricity Pricing Event Report – Tuesday 28 July 2015 (TI ending 1830 hrs)
Market Outcomes: South Australian spot price reached $1,967.51/MWh for trading interval (TI) ending 1830 hrs.
South Australian FCAS prices (Volume Weighted FCAS Prices) and energy and FCAS prices for the other NEM regions were not affected by this event.

South Australia had an actual Lack of Reserve 1 (LOR1) from 1800 hrs to 2030 hrs (Market Notices 49437 and 49438).
Detailed Analysis: 5-Minute dispatch price reached $10,759.20/MWh for dispatch interval (DI) ending 1820 hrs. The high price can be attributed to rebidding of generation capacity and limited interconnector flows during the evening peak demand period. Wind generation was low during this period in South Australia.

The South Australian demand was 2,233 MW for TI ending 1830 hrs. During the same TI, wind generation in South Australia was at 18 MW.

Read more WindyMill insanity in the LINK
https://stopthesethings.com/2015/08/09/south-australias-unbridled-wind-power-ins...
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Reply #24 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 12:37pm
 
Penalties for weekends - Just cafe workers & sales assistants or are you going to have a set of khoners & go for ALL weekend workers?
You know, police,ambo's,nurses, miners,firefighters,armed services etc

Long service leave - Well for LSL to happen 1 must be in the same job for a decade or more, with the continual casualisation of the workforce this this dying a natural death anyway.

Employer super contributions - these are in lieu of pay rises are you saying employees should be paid more or do they just lose money?

Parental leave - I thought what a business did was their prerogative? Abbott ruined a perfectly fair government scheme which now cost us more, so thanks for that.

The army of bureau rats enforcing/expanding/monitoring the endless loop of red tape - this is just a lazy cliche`
Here's an example you're sure to understand.
The less staff to monitor benefits the MORE people unentitled or those out to break the law will get away with receiving benefits they shouldn't.


Do you live in that fat slugs electorate(George Christensen), you know the guy that now thinks the unemployed should pay for YOUR super.
If not move there you ideological twins.

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Reply #25 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 1:02pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:58am:
What did he do John? Withdraw subsidies was it?



He won the election. That was enough to scare everyone away. There was billions and billions of dollars in investment in renewables the pipeline that disappeared soon after abbott formed govt.

Why didn't he remove subsidies from the fossil fuel and energy sectors if subsidies were his problem?
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Reply #26 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 1:03pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 11:04am:
John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:37am:
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:35am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 10:03am:
Yes - with a little re-shuffling of priorities, such as taxation for major players currently reaping mega-profits, re-distribution of the burden of taxation away from the small earner, abolishing the GST and replacing the entire tax structure with a single tax, development of major industries using onshore investment etc, cancellation of 457s, abolition of the influence of major players on the political parties via donations and lobbying, abolition of NG or concessional capital gains and the investment of fund into productive growth and jobs (sic) areas, cancellation of TPPs that are discriminatory against us  .... you name it


I only see one issue there Grappler critical to the ability to maintain standards of income.
Just what types of industries of sufficient scale do you have in mind? (Preferably not ones that will largely be robotic within 20 years)



the renewable energy industry is still in early stages. The potential is huge.

I also think some protectionism is inevitable.


You mean like in SA where r/e has caused a massive shortage of energy? The state with the highest power prices not just in australia but in the developed world?


no, that's not what I mean
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Reply #27 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 1:03pm
 
Its time wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 9:22am:
Exciting times , 21st century economy etc etc etc



Yeah - run by economic and social effing Neanderthals.
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Reply #28 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 1:07pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 11:22am:
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 11:18am:
I wish Grappler would tell me which major industries he sees developing here.


I've offered you all the GAIA principle times many.... all it takes is the balls.... perhaps one major industry that could be developed here is the importation of testicular fortitude for managers and politicians.


As I thought, nothing to offer.
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Reply #29 - Jul 25th, 2016 at 1:12pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 25th, 2016 at 9:19am:
Redundancy payments
Penalties for weekends
Long service leave
Employer super contributions
Parental leave
The army of bureau rats enforcing/expanding/monitoring the endless loop of red tape

I very much doubt it.


I agree, on the whole.

The social security takes over 1/3 of our total budget.
It is growing at 8%.
We cannot afford that.
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