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Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement
Reply #30 - Jul 7th, 2016 at 12:02pm
 
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ian wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 11:00pm:
Wheres the money? Difficult question?


You stand charged with sending terrorist funds to."non-Muslim families".

How do.you plead?
My funding is transparent. What about these Muslim organisations? Wheres the money?
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Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement
Reply #31 - Jul 7th, 2016 at 12:41pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 11:58am:
Gandalf do you think it is reasonable for people to be suspicious when Muslims insist they can prevent fraud from happening again without bothering to find out who was involved previously or what motivated them?


Absolutely FD. Know you of such an occurrence? I must admit I can't recall one.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #32 - Jul 7th, 2016 at 3:08pm
 
ian wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 12:02pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 12:47am:
ian wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 11:00pm:
Wheres the money? Difficult question?


You stand charged with sending terrorist funds to."non-Muslim families".

How do.you plead?
My funding is transparent. What about these Muslim organisations? Wheres the money?


Where did you send the money to?

We demand an explanation, Ian. Failure to answer is an.admission of terrorism.

GUILTY.
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Reply #33 - Jul 7th, 2016 at 3:21pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 11:58am:
It costs some industries a lot of money to get certified Karnal. Guess why?


Because they have dirty factories?   Roll Eyes
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Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement
Reply #34 - Jul 7th, 2016 at 3:22pm
 
ian wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 12:02pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 12:47am:
ian wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 11:00pm:
Wheres the money? Difficult question?


You stand charged with sending terrorist funds to."non-Muslim families".

How do.you plead?
My funding is transparent. What about these Muslim organisations? Wheres the money?


It is?  Show us, Ian!   Roll Eyes
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Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement
Reply #35 - Jul 7th, 2016 at 3:23pm
 
ian wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 12:02pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 12:47am:
ian wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 11:00pm:
Wheres the money? Difficult question?


You stand charged with sending terrorist funds to."non-Muslim families".

How do.you plead?
My funding is transparent.



                Where?                  Undecided
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Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement
Reply #36 - Jul 7th, 2016 at 6:42pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 12:41pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 11:58am:
Gandalf do you think it is reasonable for people to be suspicious when Muslims insist they can prevent fraud from happening again without bothering to find out who was involved previously or what motivated them?


Absolutely FD. Know you of such an occurrence? I must admit I can't recall one.


Sure. Your example from your school for example. The closest you have come to identifying the motive is repeating "profit" a few dozen times, but you cannot explain what that means, except to say that it is to be expected for Islamic organisations to behave like this. The closest you have come to identifying those involved is blaming AFIC.

You claimed to be proactively doing the minimum possible to satisfy the explicit government demands, by replacing the board of your school. How do you know that the people you put on the new board were not involved in the distribution of funds that were previously ripped of Muslim schools by AFIC? How do you know they don't share the same motives as those who previously siphoned off millions of dollars?

This is what institutionalised fraud looks like Gandalf. Everyone involved grins and nods and says the problem has been solved because a bit of window dressing has been done, but no-one can tell you why it happened previously or how the changes will prevent it happening again under a different badge.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 3:21pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 11:58am:
It costs some industries a lot of money to get certified Karnal. Guess why?


Because they have dirty factories?   Roll Eyes


Because foreign Muslim governments impose anti-competitive practices by demanding the establishment of regional monopolies for the explicit purpose of overcharging for the service.

This was all over the media Brian. I am surprised you have forgotten already. They charged so much they forced some processing facilities out of the market, while alternative service providers were willing to certify for a much lower fee, but were excluded from the established monopolies.
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Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement
Reply #37 - Jul 7th, 2016 at 7:34pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 3:22pm:
ian wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 12:02pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 12:47am:
ian wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 11:00pm:
Wheres the money? Difficult question?


You stand charged with sending terrorist funds to."non-Muslim families".

How do.you plead?
My funding is transparent. What about these Muslim organisations? Wheres the money?


It is?  Show us, Ian!   Roll Eyes


ian decided to back out on this, I see.

Typical.
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Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement
Reply #38 - Jul 7th, 2016 at 8:02pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 6:42pm:
Sure. Your example from your school for example. The closest you have come to identifying the motive is repeating "profit" a few dozen times


FD, where you fail, and its one trully spectacular fail, is that in this capitalist, materialist world, you can't comprehend how "profit" is motivation in and of itself.

Why does a bank want profit? Why does McDonalds want profit? Why does any for-profit organisation want to profit? For anyone else the answer 'profits for profits sake' is the valid answer, but for muslims, there is automatic suspicion because of your bigoted insistence that it must by default go to terrorists. That is the answer you are looking for and your line of inquiry is so obviously your way of reaching this answer. Its so transparently your mechanism for dealing with your obvious cognitive dissonance over such bigotry as baselessly stating as fact muslim education funds went to terrorists, and its pathetic.

The simple fact of this matter is we know what the problem is and we know what the motivation was. The solution is not to wonder why on earth a profit-gaining entity that exists in this capitalistic world would possibly want to seek profits, its to stop them being for-profit in the first place. And thats exactly where the focus has been.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement
Reply #39 - Jul 7th, 2016 at 8:13pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 3:22pm:
ian wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 12:02pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 12:47am:
ian wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 11:00pm:
Wheres the money? Difficult question?


You stand charged with sending terrorist funds to."non-Muslim families".

How do.you plead?
My funding is transparent. What about these Muslim organisations? Wheres the money?


It is?  Show us, Ian!   Roll Eyes
Talk to the ATO.
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Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement
Reply #40 - Jul 7th, 2016 at 8:14pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 8:02pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 6:42pm:
Sure. Your example from your school for example. The closest you have come to identifying the motive is repeating "profit" a few dozen times


FD, where you fail, and its one trully spectacular fail, is that in this capitalist, materialist world, you can't comprehend how "profit" is motivation in and of itself.

Why does a bank want profit? Why does McDonalds want profit? Why does any for-profit organisation want to profit?

The simple fact of this matter is we know what the problem is and we know what the motivation was. The solution is not to wonder why on earth a profit-gaining entity that exists in this capitalistic world would possibly want to seek profits, its to stop them being for-profit in the first place. And thats exactly where the focus has been.


I thought schools were meant to be not for profit organisations, this is where you fail Gandalf.

Are you blaming capitalism for muslims rorting not for profit funding?
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Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement
Reply #41 - Jul 7th, 2016 at 8:15pm
 
ian wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 8:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 3:22pm:
ian wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 12:02pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 12:47am:
ian wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 11:00pm:
Wheres the money? Difficult question?


You stand charged with sending terrorist funds to."non-Muslim families".

How do.you plead?
My funding is transparent. What about these Muslim organisations? Wheres the money?


It is?  Show us, Ian!   Roll Eyes
Talk to the ATO.


Ok.

What's your tax file number?

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Reply #42 - Jul 7th, 2016 at 8:19pm
 
Bastards!  How dare they!

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it is to be expected for Islamic organisations to behave like this.


Of course not, freediver.  Anything connected to Islam must be run at a loss so they can prop up a War the West brought to Arabia, at the expense of the kids going to Islamic educational institutions here.  Those tinted blasphemous Muslim bastards who were victims of appalling behaviour of the West must just cop on going brutality, and not fight back.  Yeas, I reckon you've nailed it freediver.  'Onya.

Have you found any evidence yet, freediver, that any profits from businesses run by these "Australian" terrorist arsehole Arabs are funding their fight against the pure and entirely innocent invasion of their lands?

Remind me, freediver.  What the phark are we doing there?  What are the goals?

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Reply #43 - Jul 7th, 2016 at 8:19pm
 
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FD, where you fail, and its one trully spectacular fail, is that in this capitalist, materialist world, you can't comprehend how "profit" is motivation in and of itself.


And this is how you expect Islam's peak representative body in Australia to act?

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Why does a bank want profit? Why does McDonalds want profit? Why does any for-profit organisation want to profit? For anyone else the answer 'profits for profits sake' is the valid answer, but for muslims, there is automatic suspicion because of your bigoted insistence that it must by default go to terrorists.


I am suspicious of you because you stated for a fact that AFIC did not defraud your school, even though you have no way of knowing, presumably because your fraud-friendly attitude is so common in your community and your school that no-one has bothered to check. I am suspicious because you spent 16 pages arguing that Muslims should not seek to find out where all this money is going or take effective steps to manage the problem. I am suspicious of you because you tried to pass of your schools 'bare minimum' response to government demands as pro-active. I am suspicious of you because you insisted it is actually expected of religious organisations to act on a for-profit basis, and in an extraordinary leap of logic used sexual abuse cover-ups as evidence of this. I am suspicious because you argued AFIC is a for-profit organisation, then went through all sorts of contortions and deflections when I asked what this means.

Is that enough reasons? Or will you only believe me if I say it is because you are a Muslim? You are a victim of my bigotry, not your own words?

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The simple fact of this matter is we know what the problem is and we know what the motivation was.


And you are not telling?

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The solution is not to wonder why on earth a profit-gaining entity that exists in this capitalistic world would possibly want to seek profits


Can you explain in what sense AFIC is a for-profit organisation?

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its to stop them being for-profit in the first place


Would this not require you to figure out how exactly they are now a for-profit organisation?
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Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement
Reply #44 - Jul 7th, 2016 at 8:38pm
 
ian wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 8:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 3:22pm:
ian wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 12:02pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 7th, 2016 at 12:47am:
ian wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 11:00pm:
Wheres the money? Difficult question?


You stand charged with sending terrorist funds to."non-Muslim families".

How do.you plead?
My funding is transparent. What about these Muslim organisations? Wheres the money?


It is?  Show us, Ian!   Roll Eyes
Talk to the ATO.


What have you people got to hide?
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