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Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement
Reply #15 - Jul 6^th, 2016 at 7:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

ian wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 1:48pm:

Lack of evidence is not evidence. Pretty basic logic. Until they can show exactly where that money goes its Occams razor.

Just pause and think about that for a minute Ian.

So tell us all how it is not important to find out what AFIC did with all that money it pinched from Muslim schools, probably shutting some down in the process.

They are still managing a lot of halal funds aren't they? What do you think they do with this money Gandalf? Does the Australian Muslim community have any interest in establishing transparency here? Or do you think it is better not to ask what is going on?

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Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement
Reply #16 - Jul 6^th, 2016 at 7:48pm

So FD, I take it you agree with Ian that muslims are guilty by default until they prove otherwise? Oh wait, what am I saying, I'm talking to someone who states as fact that Islamic education funds go to terrorists based on nothing whatsoever. Never mind.

Anyway, do you see any contradiction with Ian's "Occam's razor" argument, while he states in the same breath that "lack of evidence is not evidence"?

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47451 At my desk.	Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement Reply #17 - Jul 6^th, 2016 at 8:08pm I agree that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Not sure what the simplest explanation is, but it is hardly reassuring when even reform minded Muslims such as yourself do the whole "move along people, nothing to see here" spiel.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement Reply #18 - Jul 6^th, 2016 at 8:24pm freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 8:08pm: Not sure what the simplest explanation is I don't know either, but I'm pretty sure desisting from making up porkies about muslims spending money on terrorism, and pretending its fact until proven otherwise, would be a good start.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47451 At my desk.	Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement Reply #19 - Jul 6^th, 2016 at 8:41pm Are you expecting this proof any time soon Gandalf? polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 5^th, 2016 at 6:22pm: I don't think its important for me to find out what money we know was misused had been misused on exactly. Have I not been clear on that?
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Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement
Reply #20 - Jul 6^th, 2016 at 9:11pm

It's always a lark to poke fun at Pauline.

Until such times you realise that the same infatuation with minority parties is taking hold all over the globe.

Of course, whether there is any truth in the matter becomes howled down by anybody with a leg in journalism:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/dear-pauline-hanson-you-dont-represe...

Again, of course, one then has to wonder about self-interest by writing such a piece and also about furthering a political/social agenda.

Something to consider though - is halal certification a bit like the old compulsory union membership? You know, all those pressures brought to bear.

In which case it should be stamped on - just like some unions were when discovered to be corrupt.

And just where does the money go?

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Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement
Reply #21 - Jul 6^th, 2016 at 9:52pm

Apparently it does not matter where the money goes, even if it is being managed by the same organisation that was running the Islamic school rorts.

All that matters is that Muslims do the bare minimum necessary to satisfy explicit government demands in order to keep the money tap flowing (but they will pass this off as pro-active).

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement Reply #22 - Jul 6^th, 2016 at 9:56pm Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 9:11pm: And just where does the money go? No one appears able to answer that. But according to Gandalf and others, millions of dollars disappearing with no trail isnt suspicious.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement Reply #23 - Jul 6^th, 2016 at 10:38pm ian wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 9:56pm: No one appears able to answer that. But you just did Ian - occams razor, until proven otherwise - remember?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement Reply #24 - Jul 6^th, 2016 at 10:47pm freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 9:52pm: Apparently it does not matter where the money goes But of course it is important to assume, baselessly, that it must be going to terrorists. Tell me FD, are you still clinging to the moral high ground on this whole 'be accountable for what you do and say' thing?
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement Reply #25 - Jul 6^th, 2016 at 11:00pm Wheres the money? Difficult question?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement Reply #26 - Jul 6^th, 2016 at 11:41pm Ian does a non-answer mean its terrorists by default? Oh wait, you already did say that.
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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92356 Gender:	Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement Reply #27 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 12:47am ian wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 11:00pm: Wheres the money? Difficult question? You stand charged with sending terrorist funds to."non-Muslim families". How do.you plead?
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Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement
Reply #28 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 12:48am

freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

ian wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 1:48pm:

Lack of evidence is not evidence. Pretty basic logic. Until they can show exactly where that money goes its Occams razor.

Just pause and think about that for a minute Ian.

So tell us all how it is not important to find out what AFIC did with all that money it pinched from Muslim schools, probably shutting some down in the process.

They are still managing a lot of halal funds aren't they? What do you think they do with this money Gandalf? Does the Australian Muslim community have any interest in establishing transparency here? Or do you think it is better not to ask what is going on?

Halal funds?

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Re: The irony of the anti-Halal movement
Reply #29 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:58am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 11:41pm:

Ian does a non-answer mean its terrorists by default?

Oh wait, you already did say that.

Gandalf do you think it is reasonable for people to be suspicious when Muslims insist they can prevent fraud from happening again without bothering to find out who was involved previously or what motivated them?

If AFIC is eager to comply with unethical demands from foreign governments like Indonesia, but would rather see one of their own Muslim schools shut down that comply with Australian government requirements that are attached to millions of dollars in handouts, should the Muslim community trust them with the proceeds of the halal rorts?

Or would you rather not think about it?

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Halal funds?

It costs some industries a lot of money to get certified Karnal. Guess why?

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