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Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting
Reply #15 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 3:16pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 12:06am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 11:52pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 10:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 10:27pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 9:46pm:

If you go to the bit I highlighted bwian it's in the report you cite under conclusions, the gun grabbers have been caught red handed telling lies.

How is using his academic title "telling lies", Baron?

They were caught red handed telling lies about no mass shootings from 1996 to 2016.

Yet the paper they are reporting on finished it's study in 2013, Baron. So, how were the paper writers lying again?

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Even you admit Lockhart was a mass shooting.

Do you think Philip Alpers and Simon Chapman should be telling lies about no mass shootings when we have had them.

They lose all credibility when caught telling lies, that lie was easy to debunk.

The paper's study was until 2013, Baron, not 2014, so how were they lying again?

You are the bullshit artist bwian, I see why people don't bother with your forum with a dopey dim wit like you running it.

Your link from JAMA under Conclusions says no mass shootings from 1996 to may 2016 which is a clear lie, do you even bother checking what is written in your links.

And yet the title and all the data claims the study only ran until 2013, Baron.

Face the facts, you are wrong. Lockhart was excluded from the study because it fell outside the study's scope (2014 versus 2013).

Tough. You lose out again. Roll Eyes

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Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting
Reply #16 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 3:23pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:50am:

From Bwians link-

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Conclusions
Following the enactment of gun law reforms in Australia in 1996, there were no mass firearm killings throught May 2016.

There was a more rapid decline in firearm deaths between 1997 and 2013 compared with before 1997, but also a decline in total non firearm suicide and homicide deaths of a greater magnitude.
Because of this, it is not possible to determine whether the change in firearm deaths can be attributed to gun law reforms

There you go this paper in the JAMA says it's not possible to determine whether gun laws had any effect on firearm homicides.

The homicide rate by any method was 1.9 per 100K in 1995, firearm homicide rate was 0.3 per 100K in 1995
The current homicide rate is around 1.0 per 100K.

There is no evidence our gun laws had any effect on the homicide rate.

There is also no evidence that the gun laws had any effect on whether or not Mr. Hunt would have killed his wife and kids, before committing suicide. He used a "a W Cashmore double-barrelled shotgun", according to the Sydney Morning Herald report, Baron. I don't believe double-barrelled shotguns were declared unlawful after Port Arthur, were they?

Anyway, as the study did not include an event in 2014 in it's study of such events, which was only until 2013, I think you're barking up the wrong tree. A not unusual state for a gun nut like yourself. Roll Eyes

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Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting
Reply #17 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 3:24pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 12:06am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 11:52pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 10:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 10:27pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 9:46pm:

If you go to the bit I highlighted bwian it's in the report you cite under conclusions, the gun grabbers have been caught red handed telling lies.

How is using his academic title "telling lies", Baron?

They were caught red handed telling lies about no mass shootings from 1996 to 2016.

Yet the paper they are reporting on finished it's study in 2013, Baron. So, how were the paper writers lying again?

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Even you admit Lockhart was a mass shooting.

Do you think Philip Alpers and Simon Chapman should be telling lies about no mass shootings when we have had them.

They lose all credibility when caught telling lies, that lie was easy to debunk.

The paper's study was until 2013, Baron, not 2014, so how were they lying again?

You are the bullshit artist bwian, I see why people don't bother with your forum with a dopey dim wit like you running it.

Your link from JAMA under Conclusions says no mass shootings from 1996 to may 2016 which is a clear lie, do you even bother checking what is written in your links.

And yet the title and all the data claims the study only ran until 2013, Baron.

Face the facts, you are wrong. Lockhart was excluded from the study because it fell outside the study's scope (2014 versus 2013).

Tough. You lose out again. Roll Eyes

It says in the conclusion no mass shootings from 1996 to may 2016 did you read that bwian?

They redefined mass shootings to 5 or more killed to exclude Lockhart, the gun grabbers move the goal posts to suit their bullshit.

Since they redefined mass shootings to 5 or more killed are they going to hold the Americans to the same standard to qualify for mass shootings?

Must be quiet in your crappy forum if you are back trolling this forum

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 39536	Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting Reply #18 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 3:52pm They are making the study, Baron. They get to define matters how they like. There is no hard and fast rule as to what constitutes a "mass shooting event". Time you started your own study. Might be amusing to see you picked apart for a change by academics.
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Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting
Reply #19 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 3:23pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:50am:

From Bwians link-

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Conclusions
Following the enactment of gun law reforms in Australia in 1996, there were no mass firearm killings throught May 2016.

There was a more rapid decline in firearm deaths between 1997 and 2013 compared with before 1997, but also a decline in total non firearm suicide and homicide deaths of a greater magnitude.
Because of this, it is not possible to determine whether the change in firearm deaths can be attributed to gun law reforms

There you go this paper in the JAMA says it's not possible to determine whether gun laws had any effect on firearm homicides.

The homicide rate by any method was 1.9 per 100K in 1995, firearm homicide rate was 0.3 per 100K in 1995
The current homicide rate is around 1.0 per 100K.

There is no evidence our gun laws had any effect on the homicide rate.

There is also no evidence that the gun laws had any effect on whether or not Mr. Hunt would have killed his wife and kids, before committing suicide.

Anyway, as the study did not include an event in 2014 in it's study of such events, which was only until 2013, I think you're barking up the wrong tree. A not unusual state for a gun nut like yourself. Roll Eyes

Under Table 1 the study mentions Lockhart bwian and how they redfined mass shootings to 5.

Did you miss that part? Roll Eyes

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Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting
Reply #20 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:54pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 3:23pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:50am:

From Bwians link-

Quote:

Conclusions
Following the enactment of gun law reforms in Australia in 1996, there were no mass firearm killings throught May 2016.

There was a more rapid decline in firearm deaths between 1997 and 2013 compared with before 1997, but also a decline in total non firearm suicide and homicide deaths of a greater magnitude.
Because of this, it is not possible to determine whether the change in firearm deaths can be attributed to gun law reforms

There you go this paper in the JAMA says it's not possible to determine whether gun laws had any effect on firearm homicides.

The homicide rate by any method was 1.9 per 100K in 1995, firearm homicide rate was 0.3 per 100K in 1995
The current homicide rate is around 1.0 per 100K.

There is no evidence our gun laws had any effect on the homicide rate.

There is also no evidence that the gun laws had any effect on whether or not Mr. Hunt would have killed his wife and kids, before committing suicide.

Anyway, as the study did not include an event in 2014 in it's study of such events, which was only until 2013, I think you're barking up the wrong tree. A not unusual state for a gun nut like yourself. Roll Eyes

Under Table 1 the study mentions Lockhart bwian and how they redfined mass shootings to 5.

Did you miss that part? Roll Eyes

Nope. It is, as the study states, irrelevant to the study as it falls outside it's scope which ends in 2013, Baron.

I keep explaining that to you. You won't accept it. You are in denial it appears. Roll Eyes

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Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting
Reply #21 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:30pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:54pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 3:23pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:50am:

From Bwians link-

Quote:

Conclusions
Following the enactment of gun law reforms in Australia in 1996, there were no mass firearm killings throught May 2016.

There was a more rapid decline in firearm deaths between 1997 and 2013 compared with before 1997, but also a decline in total non firearm suicide and homicide deaths of a greater magnitude.
Because of this, it is not possible to determine whether the change in firearm deaths can be attributed to gun law reforms

There you go this paper in the JAMA says it's not possible to determine whether gun laws had any effect on firearm homicides.

The homicide rate by any method was 1.9 per 100K in 1995, firearm homicide rate was 0.3 per 100K in 1995
The current homicide rate is around 1.0 per 100K.

There is no evidence our gun laws had any effect on the homicide rate.

There is also no evidence that the gun laws had any effect on whether or not Mr. Hunt would have killed his wife and kids, before committing suicide.

Anyway, as the study did not include an event in 2014 in it's study of such events, which was only until 2013, I think you're barking up the wrong tree. A not unusual state for a gun nut like yourself. Roll Eyes

Under Table 1 the study mentions Lockhart bwian and how they redfined mass shootings to 5.

Did you miss that part? Roll Eyes

Nope. It is, as the study states, irrelevant to the study as it falls outside it's scope which ends in 2013, Baron.

I keep explaining that to you. You won't accept it. You are in denial it appears. Roll Eyes

The data in Table 1 in that study is from January 1979 to may 2016 have a look bwian ya dopey dim wit it even mentions Lockhart and Logan in 2014 along with redefining mass shootings to 5 or more killed.

They have redefined mass shootings to 5 or more killed to exclude Lockhart, when they say guns are a problem laws aren't working they might redefine it to 3 killed to boost their numbers.

Did you miss this bit in Conclusions from your link to JAMA bwian?
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It is not possible to determine whether the change in firearm deaths can be attributed to the gun law reforms

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Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting
Reply #22 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:53pm

What a jolly subject - and what crock of Shiite!

I'd bet money there's been more shootings since 1996. '96 to '16, 20 years! Every day there's gunshots.

It's just that there's been less people killed as a result.

When Chopper was in business, there was none of this drive-by shite - you never shot a fibro house. You simply shot who you meant to shoot.

Gang activity and firearms is a subject no-one wants to touch and Roger Rogerson has finally been caught.

If it weren't for farmers and ferals, the average Aussie bloke would be lucky to get a shot away at all.

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Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting
Reply #23 - Jun 29^th, 2016 at 9:54pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 3:47pm:

Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shootings, saw decline in firearm killings: report Good,

Someone calling out bwian and all the other bullshit artists who lie in saying no mass shootings since Howard's gun laws.

mamamia.com.au/port-arthur-massacre-lie

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Baronvonrort Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17475 Gender:	Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting Reply #24 - Jun 29^th, 2016 at 10:26pm Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 3:47pm: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shootings, saw decline in firearm killings: report Good, Doctors for responsible gun ownership respond to JAMA article. drgo.us/?p=3363
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Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting
Reply #25 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 1:13pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:50am:

From Bwians link-

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Conclusions
Following the enactment of gun law reforms in Australia in 1996, there were no mass firearm killings throught May 2016.

There was a more rapid decline in firearm deaths between 1997 and 2013 compared with before 1997, but also a decline in total non firearm suicide and homicide deaths of a greater magnitude.
Because of this, it is not possible to determine whether the change in firearm deaths can be attributed to gun law reforms

There you go this paper in the JAMA says it's not possible to determine whether gun laws had any effect on firearm homicides.

The homicide rate by any method was 1.9 per 100K in 1995, firearm homicide rate was 0.3 per 100K in 1995
The current homicide rate is around 1.0 per 100K.

There is no evidence our gun laws had any effect on the homicide rate.

Other than it decreasing. Oh sure, you can find other factors to explain the drop in violence, but you cant just exclude gun law reform.
By the way im pretty sure that the rate of homicide by firearm has dropped signifigantly since 1995. It wouldnt be crazy to think there may a causal link between this legislation and crime rates.

Unless you were one of those enlightened people who understands that statistics are meaningless when they refute your preffered viewpoint. Roll Eyes

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Baronvonrort Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17475 Gender:	Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting Reply #26 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 2:39pm Pho Huc wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 1:13pm: Unless you were one of those enlightened people who understands that statistics are meaningless when they refute your preffered viewpoint. The statistics refute the gun grabbers claims.
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Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting
Reply #27 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 3:10pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 3:47pm:

Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shootings, saw decline in firearm killings: report Good,

Doctors for responsible gun ownership respond to JAMA article. Roll Eyes

drgo.us/?p=3363

Which, if you read it, is more a character assassination than a refutation. Rather typical of gun nuts I fear, Baron. Afterall, you engage in it all the time. Roll Eyes

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Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting
Reply #28 - Jun 30^th, 2016 at 3:57pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 2:39pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 1:13pm:

Unless you were one of those enlightened people who understands that statistics are meaningless when they refute your preffered viewpoint. Roll Eyes

The statistics refute the gun grabbers claims. Roll Eyes

Rreally? Where, Baron? Provide a link to these statistics of yours, 'cause all the statistics I've seen support the claims in that article... Roll Eyes

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Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting
Reply #29 - Jul 1^st, 2016 at 12:31pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 2:39pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 1:13pm:

Unless you were one of those enlightened people who understands that statistics are meaningless when they refute your preffered viewpoint. Roll Eyes

The statistics refute the gun grabbers claims. Roll Eyes

I would also like to see these statistics.

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