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Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting
Reply #1 - Jun 23rd, 2016 at 4:13pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 3:47pm:


Lockhart was a mass shooting the gun grabbers like to pretend never happened.




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Reply #2 - Jun 23rd, 2016 at 4:15pm
 
In the United States over the past 1,266 days, there have been 1,000 mass shootings, with the most recent being the Pulse Nightclub shootings in Orlando.


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I'm stunned .... and still they let the NRA dictate terms to the politicians.

The NRA should be declared a terrorist organisation.
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Reply #3 - Jun 23rd, 2016 at 4:25pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 4:15pm:
In the United States over the past 1,266 days, there have been 1,000 mass shootings, with the most recent being the Pulse Nightclub shootings in Orlando.


from the link in the OP


I'm stunned .... and still they let the NRA dictate terms to the politicians.

The NRA should be declared a terrorist organisation.


Mother Jones is a leftist group who disagrees with the mass shooting count they say 14 not 1000 in the last 3 years.

Here is mass shooting tally from 1982-2016-
motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data

The first female mass shooter was the muslim female offender with the San Bernadino terrorist attack.

The Americans have the 2A to protect them from Hoplophobic gun grabbing leftists






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Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting
Reply #4 - Jun 23rd, 2016 at 5:28pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 4:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 3:47pm:


Lockhart was a mass shooting the gun grabbers like to pretend never happened.


I always understood that a "mass shooting" was classified as being "four or more victims".  The Lockhart shooting of the Hunt Family only just qualifies, being Kim Hunt, 41, and her children Fletcher, 10, Mia, 8, and Phoebe, 6.  As sad as the murder of the Hunt Family was, I think you'll find it falls outside the study period.
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Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting
Reply #5 - Jun 23rd, 2016 at 5:31pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 4:25pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 4:15pm:
In the United States over the past 1,266 days, there have been 1,000 mass shootings, with the most recent being the Pulse Nightclub shootings in Orlando.


from the link in the OP


I'm stunned .... and still they let the NRA dictate terms to the politicians.

The NRA should be declared a terrorist organisation.


Mother Jones is a leftist group who disagrees with the mass shooting count they say 14 not 1000 in the last 3 years.

Here is mass shooting tally from 1982-2016-
motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data

The first female mass shooter was the muslim female offender with the San Bernadino terrorist attack.

The Americans have the 2A to protect them from Hoplophobic gun grabbing leftists




how does mother jones define a 'mass shooting'?
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Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting
Reply #6 - Jun 23rd, 2016 at 6:31pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 5:28pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 4:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 3:47pm:


Lockhart was a mass shooting the gun grabbers like to pretend never happened.


The Lockhart shooting of the Hunt Family only just qualifies,  As sad as the murder of the Hunt Family was, I think you'll find it falls outside the study period.


From your link bwian-
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Conclusions and relevance
Following enactment of gun law reforms in 1996 there were no mass firearm killings through to May 2016


Lockhart happened in 2014 this published paper reported by the ABC claims no mass shootings from 1996 to may 2016 which is clearly bullshit.

When I saw the name of the author It's Philip Alpers who fled New Zealand after failing to impose gun laws on his fellow kiwis.
He claims to be a professor yet the Kiwis say he never enrolled in University he did drugs by day and partied at night.
examiner.com/article/does-gun-website-arm-with-facts-or-with-propaganda

The ABC lied , the gun grabbers have been caught again telling lies.




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Reply #7 - Jun 23rd, 2016 at 6:35pm
 
New Zealand had their last mass shooting in early 1997.

New Zealand allows semi auto rifles with silencers along with pump action -semi auto shotguns for recreational shooters.

New Zealand abolished long gun registration in the 1980's.

Why has NZ had no mass shootings since 1997 the gun grabbers say having a semi auto rifle will turn you into a mass murdering terrorist
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Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting
Reply #8 - Jun 23rd, 2016 at 9:43pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 6:31pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 5:28pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 4:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 3:47pm:


Lockhart was a mass shooting the gun grabbers like to pretend never happened.


The Lockhart shooting of the Hunt Family only just qualifies,  As sad as the murder of the Hunt Family was, I think you'll find it falls outside the study period.


From your link bwian-
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Conclusions and relevance
Following enactment of gun law reforms in 1996 there were no mass firearm killings through to May 2016


Lockhart happened in 2014 this published paper reported by the ABC claims no mass shootings from 1996 to may 2016 which is clearly bullshit.


Actually, the title of the paper in the American Medical Association Journal makes it clear it studied up to before the Lockhart killing, Baron, which you'd know if you'd clicked on the link in the ABC article.

The paper's title is, "Association Between Gun Law Reforms and Intentional Firearm Deaths in Australia, 1979-2013"[emphasis added].

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When I saw the name of the author It's Philip Alpers who fled New Zealand after failing to impose gun laws on his fellow kiwis.
He claims to be a professor yet the Kiwis say he never enrolled in University he did drugs by day and partied at night.
examiner.com/article/does-gun-website-arm-with-facts-or-with-propaganda


Ah, the old, "shoot the messenger" attack.  You are so predictable, Baron, just so predictable.

Alpers actually has the title of "Adjunct Associate Professor".   If you knew anything about what you're talking about the two adjectives before the term "professor" describe that he is an "adjunct" (ie, "connected with") "associated" (ie "associated with") academic.  It means he's an honorary professor.   It is a perfectly acceptable academic title within Australia academia.

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The ABC lied , the gun grabbers have been caught again telling lies.


The ABC has neither lied, nor have the "gun grabbers".  You've just made a fool of yourself.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting
Reply #9 - Jun 23rd, 2016 at 9:46pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 9:43pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 6:31pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 5:28pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 4:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 3:47pm:


Lockhart was a mass shooting the gun grabbers like to pretend never happened.


The Lockhart shooting of the Hunt Family only just qualifies,  As sad as the murder of the Hunt Family was, I think you'll find it falls outside the study period.


From your link bwian-
Quote:
Conclusions and relevance
Following enactment of gun law reforms in 1996 there were no mass firearm killings through to May 2016


Lockhart happened in 2014 this published paper reported by the ABC claims no mass shootings from 1996 to may 2016 which is clearly bullshit.


Actually, the title of the paper in the American Medical Association Journal makes it clear it studied up to before the Lockhart killing, Baron, which you'd know if you'd clicked on the link in the ABC article.

The paper's title is, "Association Between Gun Law Reforms and Intentional Firearm Deaths in Australia, 1979-2013"[emphasis added].

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When I saw the name of the author It's Philip Alpers who fled New Zealand after failing to impose gun laws on his fellow kiwis.
He claims to be a professor yet the Kiwis say he never enrolled in University he did drugs by day and partied at night.
examiner.com/article/does-gun-website-arm-with-facts-or-with-propaganda


Ah, the old, "shoot the messenger" attack.  You are so predictable, Baron, just so predictable.

Alpers actually has the title of "Adjunct Associate Professor".   If you knew anything about what you're talking about the two adjectives before the term "professor" describe that he is an "adjunct" (ie, "connected with") "associated" (ie "associated with") academic.  It means he's an honorary professor.   It is a perfectly acceptable academic title within Australia academia.

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The ABC lied , the gun grabbers have been caught again telling lies.


The ABC has neither lied, nor have the "gun grabbers".  You've just made a fool of yourself.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


If you go to the bit I highlighted bwian it's in the report you cite under conclusions, the gun grabbers have been caught red handed telling lies.

An adjunct associate professor is not the same as a honorary professor they are 2 different things, Alpers pretends to be a professor he has no academic qualifications.
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Reply #10 - Jun 23rd, 2016 at 10:27pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 9:46pm:
If you go to the bit I highlighted bwian it's in the report you cite under conclusions, the gun grabbers have been caught red handed telling lies.


How is using his academic title "telling lies", Baron?

If you look at his staff page at the University of Sydney, it makes it clear his title is "Adjunct Associate Protessor".

If you look up "Adjunct Associate Professor" it is clear it is a legal, Australian, Academic title, awarded as an honorary to a non-Academic qualified researcher.

If anybody is "telling lies" it is your gun nut attackers who don't appear to have bothered to figure that out, being American...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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An adjunct associate professor is not the same as a honorary professor they are 2 different things, Alpers pretends to be a professor he has no academic qualifications.


Sure of that, Baron?

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The system of academic titles and ranks in Australia is classified to a common five levels, A-E, although the titles of these levels may differ between insititutions. These are:

    Level A - Tutor/Associate Lecturer
    Level B - Lecturer
    Level C - Senior Lecturer
    Level D - Reader/Associate Professor
    Level E - Professor

These levels correspond to salary levels set by the Australian government's Higher education Academic Salaries Award (2002). There has been a significant increase in academics at level D and E (Associate professor and professor) in recent years. The number of academics at these levels increased by 70% from 1996 to 2008.

In order to receive the title of professor, the applicant must pass each university's minimum standards statements and promotion policies, which are derived from the Higher education Academic Salaries award. Three key attributes are examined: recognition, distinction and leadership. Leadership in research is arguably the most important. Some universities also expect leadership in developing the curriculum and in the teaching and management of staff and students.

The difference between professor and associate professor is that there is less of an imperative to demonstrate leadership qualities for the title of associate professor. Still, in order to receive the title, it is required that the applicant has made an 'outstanding contribution' and that the applicant is usually recognised at a national or international level.

In some universities, the title of professor and associate professor can also be conferred with appointment to a senior management position without the need for an extensive academic record or a research higher degree. This has been criticised. It has also been lauded.

Adjunct and conjoint professor is an honorary title bestowed upon a person to formally recognise that person's non-employment 'special relationship' with the university.


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So, basically Mr. Alpers has been given an honorific title.  He is correct to use that title on papers he has published.  He is not lying.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #11 - Jun 23rd, 2016 at 10:58pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 10:27pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 9:46pm:
If you go to the bit I highlighted bwian it's in the report you cite under conclusions, the gun grabbers have been caught red handed telling lies.


How is using his academic title "telling lies", Baron?



They were caught red handed telling lies about no mass shootings from 1996 to 2016.

Even you admit Lockhart was a mass shooting.

Do you think Philip Alpers and Simon Chapman should be telling lies about no mass shootings when we have had them.

They lose all credibility when caught telling lies, that lie was easy to debunk.
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Re: Post-Port Arthur gun laws put end to mass shooting
Reply #12 - Jun 23rd, 2016 at 11:52pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 10:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 10:27pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 9:46pm:
If you go to the bit I highlighted bwian it's in the report you cite under conclusions, the gun grabbers have been caught red handed telling lies.


How is using his academic title "telling lies", Baron?



They were caught red handed telling lies about no mass shootings from 1996 to 2016.


Yet the paper they are reporting on finished it's study in 2013, Baron.  So, how were the paper writers lying again?

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Even you admit Lockhart was a mass shooting.

Do you think Philip Alpers and Simon Chapman should be telling lies about no mass shootings when we have had them.

They lose all credibility when caught telling lies, that lie was easy to debunk.


The paper's study was until 2013, Baron, not 2014, so how were they lying again?

You really appear rather fixated on this for some obscure reason.  Do you always have problems facing reality?

Oh, and how was Adjunct Associate Professor Alpers lying about his honorific academic title again?

You mean he wasn't?  Amazing.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #13 - Jun 24th, 2016 at 12:06am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 11:52pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 10:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 10:27pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 9:46pm:
If you go to the bit I highlighted bwian it's in the report you cite under conclusions, the gun grabbers have been caught red handed telling lies.


How is using his academic title "telling lies", Baron?



They were caught red handed telling lies about no mass shootings from 1996 to 2016.


Yet the paper they are reporting on finished it's study in 2013, Baron.  So, how were the paper writers lying again?

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Even you admit Lockhart was a mass shooting.

Do you think Philip Alpers and Simon Chapman should be telling lies about no mass shootings when we have had them.

They lose all credibility when caught telling lies, that lie was easy to debunk.


The paper's study was until 2013, Baron, not 2014, so how were they lying again?



You are the bullshit artist bwian, I see why people don't bother with your forum with a dopey dim wit like you running it.

Your link from JAMA under Conclusions says no mass shootings from 1996 to may 2016 which is a clear lie, do you even bother checking what is written in your links.






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Reply #14 - Jun 24th, 2016 at 7:50am
 
From Bwians link-

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Following the enactment of gun law reforms in Australia in 1996, there were no mass firearm killings throught May 2016.

There was a more rapid decline in firearm deaths between 1997 and 2013 compared with before 1997, but also a decline in total non firearm suicide and homicide deaths of a greater magnitude.
Because of this, it is not possible to determine whether the change in firearm deaths can be attributed to gun law reforms



There you go this paper in the JAMA says it's not possible to determine whether gun laws had any effect on firearm homicides.

The homicide rate by any method was 1.9 per 100K in 1995, firearm homicide rate was 0.3 per 100K in 1995
The current homicide rate is around 1.0 per 100K.

There is no evidence our gun laws had any effect on the homicide rate.
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