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Reply #330 - Jun 28^th, 2016 at 5:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 5:19pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 5:14pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 5:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 3:30pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 3:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 1:41pm:

Quantum wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

Go back to beating your wife Brian. There are laws against it of course, but who's going to enforce them in your own house? And even if they could, it's up to you to decide if the penalties that the Government has decided will occur are sufficient to deter you from that act... So bash away.

If that is your prospensity, then it is what you will do, law or otherwise, Quantum. You must decide if the penalties are sufficient to deter you. No one else can. I don't beat my wife. I never would. Would you? Roll Eyes

Would I beat your wife? No way! Being married to you is enough suffering for anyone.

Anyway, you have essentially confessed to the belief that nothing in society is not permissible. You can do whatever you want, it is only an issue if you get caught.

Pretty bugger*ed up worldview Brian. Very very bugger*ed up. Thank goodness most decent people aren't as lacking in morality as you.

Keep on erecting that strawman argument, Quantum. Roll Eyes

Keep going to she's black and blue, Brian.

Is English your second language, Quantum? Roll Eyes

Is the bloody body in the corner your second wife or you still just belting the first?

You seem to know so much about my private life, Quantum. You tell me. Roll Eyes

I can't tell until she takes the burqa off.

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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #331 - Jun 28^th, 2016 at 5:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 6:50pm:

Squeezing in a quick Brexit thread before the result is known in the next couple of days...

ok, something that isn't discussed much is the age divide on this issue - basically, most young people want to stay, most old people want to go.

So here's the problem: Brexit is likely something that can't be reversed. Now I don't buy into the alarmist arguments against leaving, but its very likely there will be some negative consequences, and the British will have to live with those consequences for decades to come. And yet if the leave vote gets up, the people who enabled that vote to get up - ie old people - will be dead soon, and won't have to live with the negative consequences of a Brexit. Its the young people - who will overwhelmingly vote against it, who will have to pay.

I don't think thats fair. Discuss.

"most young people want to stay, most old people want to go."

Where is an evidence for that statement of yours unless anti Brexit parrots media talking.
Did someone distinguish voters by age?

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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #333 - Jun 28^th, 2016 at 6:45pm

'In last week’s Brexit vote results, there was a tremendous divide between age groups. 73% of voters under the age of 25 voted to remain in the EU, while about 58% over the age of 45 voted to leave.'

From Dana Nuticelli - https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/jun/2...

'26/6: Social media is passing round a stat that only 36 per cent of 18-24 year olds voted. Given that this age group was the most likely to vote Remain, this would imply that if turnout had matched that of higher age groups, Remain coudld (sic) have triumphed.'

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/06/how-did-different-demograp...

The millennials couldn't be bothered to vote.

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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #334 - Jun 28^th, 2016 at 7:04pm

lee wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

'In last week’s Brexit vote results, there was a tremendous divide between age groups. 73% of voters under the age of 25 voted to remain in the EU, while about 58% over the age of 45 voted to leave.'

From Dana Nuticelli - https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/jun/2...

'26/6: Social media is passing round a stat that only 36 per cent of 18-24 year olds voted. Given that this age group was the most likely to vote Remain, this would imply that if turnout had matched that of higher age groups, Remain coudld (sic) have triumphed.'

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/06/how-did-different-demograp...

The millennials couldn't be bothered to vote.

They were probably too busy looking at their smartphones to realise there was even a vote happening.

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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #335 - Jun 28^th, 2016 at 10:27pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 8:52pm:

A blast from the past from Charles (Nostradamus) De Gaulle!

How did the old frog get it so right? From history and experience no doubt...

1967: De Gaulle says 'non' to Britain - again

The French President, Charles de Gaulle, has for a second time said he will veto Britain's application to join the Common Market.

He warned France's five partners in the European Economic Community (EEC) that if they tried to impose British membership on France it would result in the break-up of the community.

All five - Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Italy and Germany - have said they would support negotiations towards British membership.

Only France remains opposed.

At a news conference at the Elysee Palace in Paris, attended by more than 1,000 diplomats, civil servants and ministers as well as journalists, General de Gaulle accused Britain of a "deep-seated hostility" towards European construction.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/27/newsid_4187000/4187...

Those who do not heed the cautions of the great are destined to greatly risk their own verdict repudiated.

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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #336 - Jun 28^th, 2016 at 10:36pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 10:27pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 8:52pm:

A blast from the past from Charles (Nostradamus) De Gaulle!

How did the old frog get it so right? From history and experience no doubt...

1967: De Gaulle says 'non' to Britain - again

The French President, Charles de Gaulle, has for a second time said he will veto Britain's application to join the Common Market.

He warned France's five partners in the European Economic Community (EEC) that if they tried to impose British membership on France it would result in the break-up of the community.

All five - Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Italy and Germany - have said they would support negotiations towards British membership.

Only France remains opposed.

At a news conference at the Elysee Palace in Paris, attended by more than 1,000 diplomats, civil servants and ministers as well as journalists, General de Gaulle accused Britain of a "deep-seated hostility" towards European construction.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/27/newsid_4187000/4187...

Those who do not heed the cautions of the great are destined to greatly risk their own verdict repudiated.

UK should never have been admitted. UK believed it would lead the EU but failed to do so and then sabotaged it from within.

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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #337 - Jun 28^th, 2016 at 10:37pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 10:27pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 8:52pm:

A blast from the past from Charles (Nostradamus) De Gaulle!

How did the old frog get it so right? From history and experience no doubt...

1967: De Gaulle says 'non' to Britain - again

The French President, Charles de Gaulle, has for a second time said he will veto Britain's application to join the Common Market.

He warned France's five partners in the European Economic Community (EEC) that if they tried to impose British membership on France it would result in the break-up of the community.

All five - Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Italy and Germany - have said they would support negotiations towards British membership.

Only France remains opposed.

At a news conference at the Elysee Palace in Paris, attended by more than 1,000 diplomats, civil servants and ministers as well as journalists, General de Gaulle accused Britain of a "deep-seated hostility" towards European construction.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/27/newsid_4187000/4187...

Those who do not heed the cautions of the great are destined to greatly risk their own verdict repudiated.

There would have been no European construction without Britain. The man was an ungrateful and arrogant fool.

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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #338 - Jun 28^th, 2016 at 10:42pm

Quantum wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 10:37pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 10:27pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 8:52pm:

A blast from the past from Charles (Nostradamus) De Gaulle!

How did the old frog get it so right? From history and experience no doubt...

1967: De Gaulle says 'non' to Britain - again

The French President, Charles de Gaulle, has for a second time said he will veto Britain's application to join the Common Market.

He warned France's five partners in the European Economic Community (EEC) that if they tried to impose British membership on France it would result in the break-up of the community.

All five - Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Italy and Germany - have said they would support negotiations towards British membership.

Only France remains opposed.

At a news conference at the Elysee Palace in Paris, attended by more than 1,000 diplomats, civil servants and ministers as well as journalists, General de Gaulle accused Britain of a "deep-seated hostility" towards European construction.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/27/newsid_4187000/4187...

Those who do not heed the cautions of the great are destined to greatly risk their own verdict repudiated.

There would have been no European construction without Britain. The man was an ungrateful and arrogant fool.

Such things you say, Monsieur

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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #339 - Jun 28^th, 2016 at 10:46pm

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 10:36pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 10:27pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 8:52pm:

A blast from the past from Charles (Nostradamus) De Gaulle!

How did the old frog get it so right? From history and experience no doubt...

1967: De Gaulle says 'non' to Britain - again

The French President, Charles de Gaulle, has for a second time said he will veto Britain's application to join the Common Market.

He warned France's five partners in the European Economic Community (EEC) that if they tried to impose British membership on France it would result in the break-up of the community.

All five - Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Italy and Germany - have said they would support negotiations towards British membership.

Only France remains opposed.

At a news conference at the Elysee Palace in Paris, attended by more than 1,000 diplomats, civil servants and ministers as well as journalists, General de Gaulle accused Britain of a "deep-seated hostility" towards European construction.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/27/newsid_4187000/4187...

Those who do not heed the cautions of the great are destined to greatly risk their own verdict repudiated.

UK should never have been admitted. UK believed it would lead the EU but failed to do so and then sabotaged it from within.

The paper-tiger imperialists since 1918 have had it taken 100 years for their post-Imperialist chickens to come home to roost?

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: Brexit - the demographic issue Reply #340 - Jun 28^th, 2016 at 11:37pm I'm not reading through a zillion pages to see if this has been posted already, but.....this is terrible. Link. Short memory these Arseholes have. The Poles helped save England in WW11. Weak as piss, Herbert.
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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: Brexit - the demographic issue Reply #341 - Jun 28^th, 2016 at 11:46pm reading here and there that "Brexit is a good example of why there should not be referendums." if there shouldn't have been a Brexit referendum, should there even be elections?
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Re: Brexit - the demographic issue
Reply #342 - Jun 28^th, 2016 at 11:57pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 11:37pm:

I'm not reading through a zillion pages to see if this has been posted already, but.....this is terrible.

Link.

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/984D/production/_90098983_untitled-1....

Short memory these Arseholes have.

The Poles helped save England in WW11. Weak as piss, Herbert.

So someone is making cards and leaving them around?

What's the problem? It's their property. If they chose to make the cards and leave them that's their choice.

No different to burning a flag really...

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Reply #343 - Jun 29^th, 2016 at 6:25am

AiA wrote on Jun 28^th, 2016 at 11:46pm:

reading here and there that "Brexit is a good example of why there should not be referendums."

if there shouldn't have been a Brexit referendum, should there even be elections?

Should there be referendums in the US to determine, say, whether any individual state has the right to secede?

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Reply #344 - Jun 29^th, 2016 at 6:45am

A couple of home truths on what Brexit means to the Irish both in the Republic and in the North...

It is, apparently, hard to underestimate the sense of anger and offense the Irish feel about the notion of a hard border between the north and the south. Decades of negotiations to ease tensions have been threatened by the idea that an Irish Republican national, Northern Ireland Irish resident may not be able to travel freely throughout the entire island. This is a felt as a grievous insult to their deepest sensibility - Ireland's unity.

Ireland will not have the authority to negotiate a trade deal with Britain (Ireland's greatest trading partner) separate from the EU. All trade deals within the EU are EU trade deals.

'I warned you of the web she'd weave if Britain joined the EEC', laughs the ghost of De Gaulle.

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