Jesus Christ is probably the best known person who ever lived and maybe there is some truth in it, his name is certainly widely known to a great segment of humanity, but I find it hard to believe he was some supernatural figure, whether the son of god or one of the three in the holy trinity, whatever.

But many people would expect me to believe in this divinely supernatural figure who died a bloody death through crucification to some how save humanity from itself and usher it in a new relationship with god,

Given how my mind works, I simply do not buy it, now I believe that jesus Christ may have existed but was just a human being like you and me, and some how he had a story behind him which has been immensely exaggerated over the centuries from a human being to this supernatural deity who is worshiped as such.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 9:37am:


Ohhhhh?

What sorts of things out of the Bible do you buy?


>>> eyes wide like dinner plates here <<<

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:


Hmmm. There's hope for you yet.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:39pm:


So in essence, you're hopeless.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:48pm:


Hopeless people need to be saved.

Probably best to just discard the Old Testament.

Get rid of the unbelievable mumbo jumbo bits in the new Testament and you have a storey of a decent bloke in horrible times.

I think I could write it better tho.

stryder wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:51pm:


Indeed he did.  Do you reckon his Son had his genes/DNA?

Did he do major back flips after his Son was born out of an adulterous relationship with a married Virgin?

stryder wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 8:17pm:


If you are going to make assumptions about the appearances of early tribes, remember the Greeks were fair to blond until they mixed with outside populations. Similar changes may have taken place elsewhere.

issuevoter wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 2:01pm:


Jesus was Judean, not Greek.

stryder wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:


First you need to learn to read. See the highlight? I did not say he was Greek, I said similar changes may have taken place elsewhere.

stryder wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 8:17pm:


Oh dear...where do I start with this 

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 3:46pm:


Can't you stop following me around?

I'm not interested. 

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 4:00pm:


I guess the simplest thing is for you to give him an explanation.  Go on ~ do that, instead of the stupid sniping, stalker.

I guess the simplest thing is for you to give him an explanation.  Go on ~ do that, instead of the stupid sniping, and 'upping,' stalker.

Joshua Ben Joseph, Born to Mary and an unknown father, possibly a Roman soldier, is without a doubt the most influential man to walk the planet. Everybody has heard of him.

A well educated man from Galilee he was a radical of his time, preaching love and tolerance. Nothing is known about his life from the ages of  around 12 to the start of his ministry at 30 although there is a group in Kashmir who claim a boy from Judea studied, among other things Buddhism with them during those missing years. The truth of that is of course lost to time.

Curiously his own writings have also been lost to time. As an educated Jew it is inconceivable that he would not have kept a written account of his ministry in his own hand. All we can rely on is the gospels, the earliest of which was written decades after his crucifixion.

This may in fact enhance the story of the Nazarene. After all this was an era before recording equipment. If someone tells another person a story, then that person tells the same story to another and that person tells it to another and so on, after 20-30 years how close is that story going to resemble the original?

It's possible that Mark managed to find writings by the original apostles but this is unlikely, so essentially what we have is a word of mouth account passed down through the decades.

In essence it is highly likely that the Nazarene was a true historical figure. All that has been attributed to him must only be accepted on faith.

Pho Huc wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 1:33pm:


Pure unadulterated bovine faecal matter!

Raven wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 4:38pm:



So certain are you.




Psalms 2:1
Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2  The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
3  Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
4  He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
5  Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
6  Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7  I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8  Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9  Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.



Deuteronomy 32:39
See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
40  For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.
41  If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.
42  I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.
43  Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.

stryder wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:


Oh that's all fine and dandy.

It's just that you've got no freaking idea about what an Aryan is.

stryder wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 7:57pm:


No, just be factual.

Aryans were never blonde haired and blue eyed.

They were Indo Iranian.

They were dark.

stryder wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 8:06pm:


Why bother googling stuff at me I already know..esp after what I've posted in here?

Yadda wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 5:49pm:


At least quote the New Testament Yadda to back up your view

True, Raven, although I think Joseph of Arimathea made a better messiah

stryder wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:02am:


The most erroneous part of that post was to say "the best known person who ever lived". There is no truth in saying that Jesus ever lived and died as the person told in the Bible, simply because there is no evidence that can show that Jesus ever lived. Santa Claus is also a well-known person, too. Yet, he is based on lies and his existent is false.

If you could time travel back 2000 years, you would not find some teenager/young adult in Judea who could perform miracles at will, or who held audiences captive with his speeches/teachings. Most of the bible is made up of stories about mythology. The story of Jesus being among the mythology.

I can't entertain that someone would live to perform miraculous acts of God, and not be used by the Roman Empire to help alleviate suffering/make Rome even stronger. It's the whole "ho-hum" attitude of people after Jesus' death that leaves me to believe that, had Jesus been real, he did not have a major impact on his community. It feels as if the story about Jesus was that he did not want to prove his worth to people, and died as a fraud, and one massive disappointment.

I would not consider Jesus to have ever existed beyond the fables told in the Bible.

There are a lot of atheists who are prepared to accept Jesus existed, just not the supernatual acts ascribed to him

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 4^th, 2016 at 12:19pm:




QUESTION;
Why not ? !!!!!!!!


e.g.
I've got and use, a wifi device.

The ability of my wifi device would have been 'supernatual' 2000 years ago too.




The truth is that, you atheists live in such a small 'universe' and on such a small 'world'.     !!!

For you, and yours, nothing exists [or can exist], unless you can sense it with some part of you physical body.

Dum!






Dictionary;
vanity = =
1 excessive pride in or admiration of one’s own appearance or achievements.
2 the quality of being worthless or futile.



Dictionary;
pride = = a feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from achievements, qualities, or possessions.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 12:07pm:



Oh, so you can see, that there is a difference, between mankind's comprehension of the existence and workings of one, and of the other ?

So, those things which you 'understand',    ....you say you understand those, because those things, can be explained scientifically ?

But that which you do not understand is 'supernatural', and is 'hocus pocus'.

I see.



I do not understand very much.

It is not within me, within my mental capacity, to understand many things.

But when i see something which i do not understand, i ask questions.

I even ask questions about, what others call, 'faerie tales'.

Coz i'm a very gullible person.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 3:59pm:



There is not one scintilla of proof that it/they did.

[I told you that i was gullible.]

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 6^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:



So you know that wifi is real.

Good on ya.


What about black, and white ?

What about up, and down ?

What about good, and evil ?

What about sanity, and insanity ?



Can't quite 'put your finger on them' ?

Have no particular interest, in discerning between them ?

You have more important things to do ?



Good.

Get on with your more important things then.

One of the many details ive come across is with many Christians they don't highlight much of the details concerning Jesus' family and his dealings with them, most will know the identity of mary and joseph his legal father, but how many do know that jesus had four brothers, and they named, james, joses, judas and simon and at least two sisters,
If you read the gospels in reference to the situations between jesus and his family, has revealed some consistent hostility between them.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:


First example

Luke 2;41 -52

41 Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Festival of the Passover. 42 When he was twelve years old, they went up to the festival, according to the custom. 43 After the festival was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it. 44 Thinking he was in their company, they traveled on for a day. Then they began looking for him among their relatives and friends. 45 When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him. 46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47 Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. 48 When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.”

49 “Why were you searching for me?” he asked. “Didn’t you know I had to be in my Father’s house?”[a] 50 But they did not understand what he was saying to them.

second example

John 2:1-12English Standard Version (ESV)

The Wedding at Cana
2 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. 2 Jesus also was invited to the wedding with his disciples. 3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” 4 And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” 5 His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 10:50pm:


I think from those example, it does give a sense of some hostility between jesus and his family.

example 3

Matthew 12:46-50New International Version (NIV)

Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”

48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

Religion's just what we we thought before we understood mental illness

"A bush talked to me"

"Wow what did it say? What did the bush say? Let's live our lives by what the bush said"

Raven wrote on Jul 8^th, 2016 at 2:28am:


To those who ascribe to the Christian faith would undoubtly  accept Jesus' powers of healing, controlling the weather, walking on water, producing fish and loaves out of thin air.

In the 18th century, theologians held the view that the faith jesus was able to inspire in his patients by the power of his presence allowed them in effect to cure themselves.

stryder wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:


Yes the placebo effect has worked for countless generations in the human population.

I have been watching a documentary on SBS about the origins of archaeology Among the many relics from the life of Jesus is, supposedly, one of the nails from the Crucifixion. It is a heavy four sided piece like a railroad spike. Its provenance is said to come down from the Emperor Constantine. It creates a bit of a puzzle, as does the whole record of Christ's execution.

All the depictions I have seen show Christ nailed through the hands and feet. It is widely believed that the weight of the body could not be supported in that way. The more common practice was to bind the limbs to the cross or a single stake. Iron was expensive, and I wonder if the Romans would have wasted it on a Jew who thought he was on intimate terms with God.

In this day and age, it should be evident that Jesus never even existed as a person. He was merely an allegorical figure of the sun.

Yes, in the day, the allegorical story of planetary movement was probably the most important and the greatest story ever told. Also very common and widespread in varying forms.
However, science and literature has progressed beyond the need for the passing down of stories.
I think that should be embraced and modern day people should stop giving power to the usurpers of truth.

There is no danger when people just think for themselves...and with empathy.

Of course, early scientific information was spread by stories. There was no other vehicle to take it to the masses when literature was not widespread.

When these allegories of scientific information got bastardised with the rise of literature, then the problem of the power to the churches arose.

How the hell can we let them keep this power in this day and age? Spreading bs, molesting children for their own disgusting desires and reaping in money from the hard working masses:?

It's a joke that we still believe this utter nonsense.
Their real desire is corruption, not truth.

When we all will see the light, it will be a very bright day indeed. 

Up there in the stars maybe?

issuevoter wrote on Aug 13^th, 2016 at 11:14pm:



It's logical thinking that eventually uncovers the truth.

So many more important matters to be involved with, without the ridiculous distraction of religion making it nigh on impossible to progress.

Auggie wrote on Mar 7^th, 2017 at 2:16pm:



Millions of followers, thousands of years of documented 'history', not a single shred of evidence this person ever existed, let alone was the son of god.

All religion is a scam, to delude and control the ignorant masses with feats of magic.

The bigger the religion the better the scam and the more corrupt the leaders of the scam.


No religion holds up to scientific reason, time to have it all deflated from constitutional right to barely tolerated past time.

Ya gotta love that line..."Most historians agree that Jesus was a(n) historical figure".

No evidence required, no nothing. Merely,  ..."Most historians agree that Jesus was a(n) historical figure".

http://www.solarmythology.com/bibleastrology.htm

The nature of man describes the idea of religion to a tee.

We all want to have this "secret knowledge" that places us above all others.

Once again, if anyone is genuinely interested, and not just blowing their own trumpet, I direct you to a good place to start your investigation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

Amadd wrote on Mar 4^th, 2017 at 1:13am:





If we persue truth then we may eventually discover/understand what truth is, and come to understand its importance.

Likewise, if we seek God, then we may eventually come an understanding, of what/who God is.




Deuteronomy 4:29
....if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

Q.
How does a man, that is 'bound' within a physical body, approach the task of seeking God ?

Is God hiding under my bed ?

Or, is God hiding in the top of my apple tree ?

Those are very deep and perplexing questions.            




John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1435998745/0#0

issuevoter wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 4:16pm:



If this fkked up country got rid of sect 116 in the constitution, is would get rid of this fkked up delusion as a right and doing so every single religious cretin could be dealt with as such.

No right to be a backward inbred religious fkkwit, fine. No-one care why you think kiddie rape is acceptable

Our collective waking, human perception of the reality, which we collectively experience is [mostly] reliable.

Its gotta be !

Right ?




Click the link.....

After the image loads, move your mouse from the centre of the checkered area, to the edge of the screen....

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap121007.html




AND ALWAYS REMEMBER GUYS!!!!

......THE SKY IS BLUE !

Quote:


..And always remember Yadda, that you couldn't explain "Why" it appears blue (as does an unpolluted ocean), without the help of science.

Can you explain why the sky appears blue?

Raven wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 11:43pm:


Not true.



Raven wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 11:43pm:


Correct and true.




Raven wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 11:43pm:


Not true.

God gave us the freedom to make moral choices.

When we and our parents make poor moral choices, there are always consequences.

Deuteronomy 7:12
Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:
13  And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
14  Thou shalt be blessed above all people: there shall not be male or female barren among you, or among your cattle.
15  And the LORD will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee.



'poor moral choices' ?

e.g.
Some have demonstrated that there is a correlation, between women having abortions, and 1/ later 'suffering' miscarriage ['spontaneous' abortion, being unable to carry a pregnancy to term], and, 2/ between, having earlier abortions, and 'suffering' subsequent 'infertility'.

I haven't got a link to hand, but do some googling.


Dictionary;
correlation = =
1 a mutual relationship or connection.      the process of correlating two or more things.
2 interdependence of variable quantities.





Raven wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 11:43pm:


Not true.




Raven wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 11:43pm:


Correct and true.




Raven wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 11:43pm:


Not true.

God gave us the freedom to make moral choices.