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Who is the real historical jesus ? (Read 38181 times)
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Re: Who is the real historical jesus ?
Reply #15 - Jun 27th, 2016 at 10:51am
 
Who is he?

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Reply #16 - Jun 27th, 2016 at 6:41pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Jun 26th, 2016 at 2:01pm:
stryder wrote on Jun 25th, 2016 at 8:17pm:
I think that over time jesus appearance was washed over as a tall, handsome, blond haired with blue eyes figure splashed over cathedral decorations in churches and illustrated bibles, when most likely the people of Judea where mostly dark skinned with a Mediterranean appearances in that time, which most likely was the real appearance of jesus, where he was no Aryan model.


If you are going to make assumptions about the appearances of early tribes, remember the Greeks were fair to blond until they mixed with outside populations. Similar changes may have taken place elsewhere.


Jesus was Judean, not Greek.
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Re: Who is the real historical jesus ?
Reply #17 - Jun 27th, 2016 at 6:52pm
 
Spider man,, try and keep up.

The man said


Similar changes may have taken place elsewhere.
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Re: Who is the real historical jesus ?
Reply #18 - Jun 27th, 2016 at 8:55pm
 
stryder wrote on Jun 27th, 2016 at 6:41pm:
issuevoter wrote on Jun 26th, 2016 at 2:01pm:
stryder wrote on Jun 25th, 2016 at 8:17pm:
I think that over time jesus appearance was washed over as a tall, handsome, blond haired with blue eyes figure splashed over cathedral decorations in churches and illustrated bibles, when most likely the people of Judea where mostly dark skinned with a Mediterranean appearances in that time, which most likely was the real appearance of jesus, where he was no Aryan model.


If you are going to make assumptions about the appearances of early tribes, remember the Greeks were fair to blond until they mixed with outside populations. Similar changes may have taken place elsewhere.


Jesus was Judean, not Greek.


First you need to learn to read. See the highlight? I did not say he was Greek, I said similar changes may have taken place elsewhere.
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Re: Who is the real historical jesus ?
Reply #19 - Jun 27th, 2016 at 9:20pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Jun 27th, 2016 at 8:55pm:
stryder wrote on Jun 27th, 2016 at 6:41pm:
issuevoter wrote on Jun 26th, 2016 at 2:01pm:
stryder wrote on Jun 25th, 2016 at 8:17pm:
I think that over time jesus appearance was washed over as a tall, handsome, blond haired with blue eyes figure splashed over cathedral decorations in churches and illustrated bibles, when most likely the people of Judea where mostly dark skinned with a Mediterranean appearances in that time, which most likely was the real appearance of jesus, where he was no Aryan model.


If you are going to make assumptions about the appearances of early tribes, remember the Greeks were fair to blond until they mixed with outside populations. Similar changes may have taken place elsewhere.


Jesus was Judean, not Greek.


First you need to learn to read. See the highlight? I did not say he was Greek, I said similar changes may have taken place elsewhere.


I'm stating that jesus wasn't probably an Aryan model dreamt up by European Christians, I thinlk we can safely say that white people didn't populated the middle east in the past like they do in Norway or Sweden today, maybe a few of them and maybe some Nordics and germanics wandered into Judea in jesus's time, but I doubt that the real jesus he had any white European features, that's what I state in reflection of the racial groups that probably existed in ancient Judea in that time.
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Re: Who is the real historical jesus ?
Reply #20 - Jun 29th, 2016 at 3:28pm
 
stryder wrote on Jun 25th, 2016 at 8:17pm:
I think that over time jesus appearance was washed over as a tall, handsome, blond haired with blue eyes figure splashed over cathedral decorations in churches and illustrated bibles, when most likely the people of Judea where mostly dark skinned with a Mediterranean appearances in that time, which most likely was the real appearance of jesus, where he was no Aryan model.


Oh dear...where do I start with this  Roll Eyes
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Reply #21 - Jun 29th, 2016 at 3:46pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 29th, 2016 at 3:28pm:
stryder wrote on Jun 25th, 2016 at 8:17pm:
I think that over time jesus appearance was washed over as a tall, handsome, blond haired with blue eyes figure splashed over cathedral decorations in churches and illustrated bibles, when most likely the people of Judea where mostly dark skinned with a Mediterranean appearances in that time, which most likely was the real appearance of jesus, where he was no Aryan model.


Oh dear...where do I start with this  Roll Eyes


I think you have exhausted as much as you can possibly contribute with that post.
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Reply #22 - Jun 29th, 2016 at 3:57pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 29th, 2016 at 3:46pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 29th, 2016 at 3:28pm:
stryder wrote on Jun 25th, 2016 at 8:17pm:
I think that over time jesus appearance was washed over as a tall, handsome, blond haired with blue eyes figure splashed over cathedral decorations in churches and illustrated bibles, when most likely the people of Judea where mostly dark skinned with a Mediterranean appearances in that time, which most likely was the real appearance of jesus, where he was no Aryan model.


Oh dear...where do I start with this  Roll Eyes


I think you have exhausted as much as you can possibly contribute with that post.


Can't you stop following me around?

I'm not interested. 

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Re: Who is the real historical jesus ?
Reply #23 - Jun 29th, 2016 at 4:00pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 29th, 2016 at 3:28pm:
stryder wrote on Jun 25th, 2016 at 8:17pm:
I think that over time jesus appearance was washed over as a tall, handsome, blond haired with blue eyes figure splashed over cathedral decorations in churches and illustrated bibles, when most likely the people of Judea where mostly dark skinned with a Mediterranean appearances in that time, which most likely was the real appearance of jesus, where he was no Aryan model.


Oh dear...where do I start with this  Roll Eyes


Spider Spunk, with all due respect, your posts in this topic clearly indicate that don't know what you're on about.
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Reply #24 - Jun 29th, 2016 at 4:07pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 29th, 2016 at 4:00pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 29th, 2016 at 3:28pm:
stryder wrote on Jun 25th, 2016 at 8:17pm:
I think that over time jesus appearance was washed over as a tall, handsome, blond haired with blue eyes figure splashed over cathedral decorations in churches and illustrated bibles, when most likely the people of Judea where mostly dark skinned with a Mediterranean appearances in that time, which most likely was the real appearance of jesus, where he was no Aryan model.


Oh dear...where do I start with this  Roll Eyes


Spider Spunk, with all due respect, your posts in this topic clearly indicate that don't know what you're on about.


I guess the simplest thing is for you to give him an explanation.  Go on ~ do that, instead of the stupid sniping, stalker.
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Reply #25 - Jun 29th, 2016 at 4:09pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 29th, 2016 at 4:00pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 29th, 2016 at 3:28pm:
stryder wrote on Jun 25th, 2016 at 8:17pm:
I think that over time jesus appearance was washed over as a tall, handsome, blond haired with blue eyes figure splashed over cathedral decorations in churches and illustrated bibles, when most likely the people of Judea where mostly dark skinned with a Mediterranean appearances in that time, which most likely was the real appearance of jesus, where he was no Aryan model.


Oh dear...where do I start with this  Roll Eyes


Spider Spunk, with all due respect, your posts in this topic clearly indicate that don't know what you're on about.


Up for Spider Spunk!
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Reply #26 - Jun 29th, 2016 at 4:13pm
 
I guess the simplest thing is for you to give him an explanation.  Go on ~ do that, instead of the stupid sniping, and 'upping,' stalker.
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Reply #27 - Jun 29th, 2016 at 4:15pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 29th, 2016 at 4:00pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 29th, 2016 at 3:28pm:
stryder wrote on Jun 25th, 2016 at 8:17pm:
I think that over time jesus appearance was washed over as a tall, handsome, blond haired with blue eyes figure splashed over cathedral decorations in churches and illustrated bibles, when most likely the people of Judea where mostly dark skinned with a Mediterranean appearances in that time, which most likely was the real appearance of jesus, where he was no Aryan model.


Oh dear...where do I start with this  Roll Eyes


Spider Spunk, with all due respect, your posts in this topic clearly indicate that don't know what you're on about.


Up for Spider Spunk!
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Re: Who is the real historical jesus ?
Reply #28 - Jun 29th, 2016 at 4:28pm
 
Joshua Ben Joseph, Born to Mary and an unknown father, possibly a Roman soldier, is without a doubt the most influential man to walk the planet. Everybody has heard of him.

A well educated man from Galilee he was a radical of his time, preaching love and tolerance. Nothing is known about his life from the ages of  around 12 to the start of his ministry at 30 although there is a group in Kashmir who claim a boy from Judea studied, among other things Buddhism with them during those missing years. The truth of that is of course lost to time.

Curiously his own writings have also been lost to time. As an educated Jew it is inconceivable that he would not have kept a written account of his ministry in his own hand. All we can rely on is the gospels, the earliest of which was written decades after his crucifixion.

This may in fact enhance the story of the Nazarene. After all this was an era before recording equipment. If someone tells another person a story, then that person tells the same story to another and that person tells it to another and so on, after 20-30 years how close is that story going to resemble the original?

It's possible that Mark managed to find writings by the original apostles but this is unlikely, so essentially what we have is a word of mouth account passed down through the decades.

In essence it is highly likely that the Nazarene was a true historical figure. All that has been attributed to him must only be accepted on faith.
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Reply #29 - Jun 30th, 2016 at 1:33pm
 
Actually, many of the people and events recorded in the new testament corrolated with roman government records of the period. Unfortunatly Jesus was not one of these people. I always assumed he was a composite, a messiah built by committe. Id love to be wrong, but such is the lot of the agnostic.
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