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Re: Who is the real historical jesus ?
Reply #120 - Apr 6^th, 2017 at 4:58pm

Amadd wrote on Apr 6^th, 2017 at 10:09am:

issuevoter wrote on Apr 6^th, 2017 at 6:44am:

Alongside this question is just what people mean by "Faith."

If it is a fact that biblical stories are (or were) largely pertaining to planetary movement, then there would be a realistic faith in the magi (or astronomers) who could predict future events.

As far as a person such as Jesus actually existing, the idea is ridiculous.

So, you reject Tacitus's account as ridiculous too? Why?

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Reply #121 - Apr 7^th, 2017 at 1:07am

I should have clarified "The Biblical version".

Can you clarify the Tacitus account that you are referring to of Jesus please?

It seems that Tacitus is the only semi-reliable account of somebody known as the Christus.
Of course there is no mention of miracles..etc. etc. This is what I'm referring to when I say that it's ridiculous. I think Tacitus was a well enough regarded historian who would not make claim about such rot.

Jeez (no pun), you'd hardly bet your house on a "second coming" if the Tacitus account of Jesus is the only historical account that you're putting your faith in.

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Who is the real historical jesus ? Reply #122 - Apr 7^th, 2017 at 8:18am If you are only contesting the biblical Jesus, I would not bother commenting. Wikipedia has enough on Tacitus and the historical Jesus. I am not so interested in Roman writers to delve into the works. Overall, my view is that Jesus was a man, not a supernatural being.
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Reply #123 - Apr 13^th, 2017 at 3:15am

issuevoter wrote on Apr 7^th, 2017 at 8:18am:

If you are only contesting the biblical Jesus, I would not bother commenting. Wikipedia has enough on Tacitus and the historical Jesus. I am not so interested in Roman writers to delve into the works. Overall, my view is that Jesus was a man, not a supernatural being.

I don't think it's possible to disregard the biblical Jesus, being that this is the true importance to this day. There could have been many ordinary fellows Jesus that fit the bill from very scarce historical records.

Christianity started from somewhere. I think it's more than co-incidental that the supernatural Jesus shares so many traits with foregone solar dieties.

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Re: Who is the real historical jesus ?
Reply #124 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 7:48am

Here's a good article on the subject:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-th...

But anyone who claims to have communication with, or esoteric knowledge of, cosmic forces, is indicating their particular neurosis. Basically, they need a hobby, preferably one including occupational therapy. Gardening is good.

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Re: Who is the real historical jesus ?
Reply #125 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 9:48am

post #124.....

Everyone is aware of [all of] the 'experiences' which this world 'thrusts' upon our awareness/consciousness.

[what this world 'presents to us, to our consciousness, is a very deliberate and intended distraction, imo]

But, if you believe that you experience self-awareness, what does that mean ?

It means that you have the capacity to meditate, and, to explore your 'circumstances'.

Some of us do that.

While many of us are happy to give our whole attention to the distractions which this world presents us with.

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Re: Who is the real historical jesus ?
Reply #126 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 6:32pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 9:48am:

post #124.....

Everyone is aware of [all of] the 'experiences' which this world 'thrusts' upon our awareness/consciousness.

[what this world 'presents to us, to our consciousness, is a very deliberate and intended distraction, imo]

But, if you believe that you experience self-awareness, what does that mean ?

It means that you have the capacity to meditate, and, to explore your 'circumstances'.

Some of us do that.

While many of us are happy to give our whole attention to the distractions which this world presents us with.

Yes, except for the deliberate bit.

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Re: Who is the real historical jesus ?
Reply #127 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 7:49pm

issuevoter wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 6:32pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 9:48am:

post #124.....

Everyone is aware of [all of] the 'experiences' which this world 'thrusts' upon our awareness/consciousness.

[what this world 'presents to us, to our consciousness, is a very deliberate and intended distraction, imo]

But, if you believe that you experience self-awareness, what does that mean ?

It means that you have the capacity to meditate, and, to explore your 'circumstances'.

Some of us do that.

While many of us are happy to give our whole attention to the distractions which this world presents us with.

Yes, except for the deliberate bit.

Murder.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Who is the real historical jesus ?
Reply #128 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 8:34pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

issuevoter wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 6:32pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 9:48am:

post #124.....

Everyone is aware of [all of] the 'experiences' which this world 'thrusts' upon our awareness/consciousness.

[what this world 'presents to us, to our consciousness, is a very deliberate and intended distraction, imo]

But, if you believe that you experience self-awareness, what does that mean ?

It means that you have the capacity to meditate, and, to explore your 'circumstances'.

Some of us do that.

While many of us are happy to give our whole attention to the distractions which this world presents us with.

Yes, except for the deliberate bit.

Murder.

You will have to explain what that means. (Oh boy! I asked for it, didn't I?)

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Re: Who is the real historical jesus ?
Reply #129 - Apr 17^th, 2017 at 11:30pm

issuevoter wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 7:48am:

Here's a good article on the subject:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-th...

But anyone who claims to have communication with, or esoteric knowledge of, cosmic forces, is indicating their particular neurosis. Basically, they need a hobby, preferably one including occupational therapy. Gardening is good.

Yeah, I agree that gardening would be a great religion. If only the same tax breaks were on offer Angry

I also understand Yadda's POV that time for personal reflection and spirituality should be held sacred.
But that should be done without the bs of a supernatural Jesus IMO. Because that belief only leaves the door open for the propagation of even more bs.

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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41420 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: Who is the real historical jesus ? Reply #130 - Oct 19^th, 2017 at 11:47am je ( son of ) sus ( zeus ) the real name is Yahweh in christs light .. ▲
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Who is the real historical jesus ? Reply #131 - Oct 19^th, 2017 at 9:12pm Believe what you want to believe. Just don't preach about it. That is a sure sign of someone looking for verification from others. The more people you can get to agree with you, the better you feel about yourself. Childish. There's better things to do, like origami or scrabble.
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Re: Who is the real historical jesus ?
Reply #132 - Oct 20^th, 2017 at 10:37am

yes knowledge is power ..

when you research you have the answer .. many prefer apathy

yet either way be at peace

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2014/05/30/what-does-yahweh-mean-a-b...

What Does Yahweh Mean? A Biblical Study

Is YHWH Yahweh?
YHWH is a Tetragrammaton or God’s given name in the Old Testament but Bible scholars cannot agree on exactly how this name of God was or is to be pronounced. The Hebrew language does not contain vowels (e.g. e, I o, u, a) so that is why God’s name appears as YHWH and that is why all the letters of His name are always capitalized since His name is a proper noun. When God revealed His name to Moses, He revealed Himself as YHWH or Yahweh which is best translated as “I AM WHO I AM” again, in all capital letters (EX 3:14-15). The Hebrew for “I AM” is “ehyeh” which could also be read to mean “I will be” but when God refers to Himself it must mean “I AM.” I AM means that God exists already and is the speaker when this is used but when humans speak of Him it could be said “HE IS” (again, all caps).

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95241 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Who is the real historical jesus ? Reply #133 - Oct 20^th, 2017 at 12:00pm I met a bloke once called Jesus. I suspect that his name was quite a hindrance to his success.
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Australian Legend Posts: 21723 Rockhampton, Q Gender:	Re: Who is the real historical jesus ? Reply #134 - Oct 29^th, 2017 at 7:23am Heheh! Trigonometrinity...
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