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Who is the real historical jesus ?
Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:02am

Jesus Christ is probably the best known person who ever lived and maybe there is some truth in it, his name is certainly widely known to a great segment of humanity, but I find it hard to believe he was some supernatural figure, whether the son of god or one of the three in the holy trinity, whatever.

But many people would expect me to believe in this divinely supernatural figure who died a bloody death through crucification to some how save humanity from itself and usher it in a new relationship with god,

Given how my mind works, I simply do not buy it, now I believe that jesus Christ may have existed but was just a human being like you and me, and some how he had a story behind him which has been immensely exaggerated over the centuries from a human being to this supernatural deity who is worshiped as such.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Who is the real historical jesus ? Reply #1 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 9:37am Yes, there are a lot of things out of the Bible I buy as having existed but with a twist put on it to make it seem more supernatural than they were.
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Who is the real historical jesus ? Reply #2 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:09pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 9:37am: Yes, there are a lot of things out of the Bible I buy as having existed but with a twist put on it to make it seem more supernatural than they were. Ohhhhh? What sorts of things out of the Bible do you buy? >>> eyes wide like dinner plates here <<<
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Reply #3 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:16pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:09pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 9:37am:

Yes, there are a lot of things out of the Bible I buy as having existed but with a twist put on it to make it seem more supernatural than they were.

Ohhhhh?

What sorts of things out of the Bible do you buy?

>>> eyes wide like dinner plates here <<<

Well for instance I can buy the existence of a flood. But not world wide, just a big one in the area of the Euphrates and Tigris.

I can bu ythe Ark of the Covenant, just not with any sort of actual power of God, but instead a representation of God that people worshipped.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Re: Who is the real historical jesus ?
Reply #4 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:30pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:09pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 9:37am:

Yes, there are a lot of things out of the Bible I buy as having existed but with a twist put on it to make it seem more supernatural than they were.

Ohhhhh?

What sorts of things out of the Bible do you buy?

>>> eyes wide like dinner plates here <<<

Well for instance I can buy the existence of a flood. But not world wide, just a big one in the area of the Euphrates and Tigris.

I can buy the Ark of the Covenant, just not with any sort of actual power of God, but instead a representation of God that people worshipped.

Hmmm. There's hope for you yet.

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Reply #5 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:39pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:30pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:09pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 9:37am:

Yes, there are a lot of things out of the Bible I buy as having existed but with a twist put on it to make it seem more supernatural than they were.

Ohhhhh?

What sorts of things out of the Bible do you buy?

>>> eyes wide like dinner plates here <<<

Well for instance I can buy the existence of a flood. But not world wide, just a big one in the area of the Euphrates and Tigris.

I can buy the Ark of the Covenant, just not with any sort of actual power of God, but instead a representation of God that people worshipped.

Hmmm. There's hope for you yet.

Not really, existence of these has no correlation with the existence of God.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #6 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:43pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:39pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:30pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:09pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 9:37am:

Yes, there are a lot of things out of the Bible I buy as having existed but with a twist put on it to make it seem more supernatural than they were.

Ohhhhh?

What sorts of things out of the Bible do you buy?

>>> eyes wide like dinner plates here <<<

Well for instance I can buy the existence of a flood. But not world wide, just a big one in the area of the Euphrates and Tigris.

I can buy the Ark of the Covenant, just not with any sort of actual power of God, but instead a representation of God that people worshipped.

Hmmm. There's hope for you yet.

Not really, existence of these has no correlation with the existence of God.

So in essence, you're hopeless.

Tongue

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Reply #7 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:48pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:43pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:39pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:30pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:09pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 9:37am:

Yes, there are a lot of things out of the Bible I buy as having existed but with a twist put on it to make it seem more supernatural than they were.

Ohhhhh?

What sorts of things out of the Bible do you buy?

>>> eyes wide like dinner plates here <<<

Well for instance I can buy the existence of a flood. But not world wide, just a big one in the area of the Euphrates and Tigris.

I can buy the Ark of the Covenant, just not with any sort of actual power of God, but instead a representation of God that people worshipped.

Hmmm. There's hope for you yet.

Not really, existence of these has no correlation with the existence of God.

So in essence, you're hopeless.

Tongue

Factually speaking, I must be

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #8 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:07pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:48pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:43pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:39pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:30pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:09pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 9:37am:

Yes, there are a lot of things out of the Bible I buy as having existed but with a twist put on it to make it seem more supernatural than they were.

Ohhhhh?

What sorts of things out of the Bible do you buy?

>>> eyes wide like dinner plates here <<<

Well for instance I can buy the existence of a flood. But not world wide, just a big one in the area of the Euphrates and Tigris.

I can buy the Ark of the Covenant, just not with any sort of actual power of God, but instead a representation of God that people worshipped.

Hmmm. There's hope for you yet.

Not really, existence of these has no correlation with the existence of God.

So in essence, you're hopeless.

Tongue

Factually speaking, I must be.

Hopeless people need to be saved.

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Reply #9 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:29pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:07pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:48pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:43pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:39pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:30pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 3:09pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 9:37am:

Yes, there are a lot of things out of the Bible I buy as having existed but with a twist put on it to make it seem more supernatural than they were.

Ohhhhh?

What sorts of things out of the Bible do you buy?

>>> eyes wide like dinner plates here <<<

Well for instance I can buy the existence of a flood. But not world wide, just a big one in the area of the Euphrates and Tigris.

I can buy the Ark of the Covenant, just not with any sort of actual power of God, but instead a representation of God that people worshipped.

Hmmm. There's hope for you yet.

Not really, existence of these has no correlation with the existence of God.

So in essence, you're hopeless.

Tongue

Factually speaking, I must be.

Hopeless people need to be saved.

Screw that

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6488 Gender:	Re: Who is the real historical jesus ? Reply #10 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:30pm Probably best to just discard the Old Testament. Get rid of the unbelievable mumbo jumbo bits in the new Testament and you have a storey of a decent bloke in horrible times. I think I could write it better tho.
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Reply #11 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:51pm

miketrees wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

Probably best to just discard the Old Testament.

Get rid of the unbelievable mumbo jumbo bits in the new Testament and you have a storey of a decent bloke in horrible times.

I think I could write it better tho.

The God of the old testament had the emotional temperament of any human being, he was jealous, angry at times, had chats as a voice from the sky or through a burning bush with various biblical figures like Abraham and moses and had no issue with killing children,

examples, GENISIS Gods test to Abraham to sacrifice his son issac to prove his love for him.

EXODUS, when God released one of the ten plagues against the pharaoh rhamses where the curse of death would be inflicted on every first born child in every Egyptian family

I would say that modern psychiatrists of today would say that the god of the old testament had some issues.

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Reply #12 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 9:27pm

stryder wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:51pm:

miketrees wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

Probably best to just discard the Old Testament.

Get rid of the unbelievable mumbo jumbo bits in the new Testament and you have a storey of a decent bloke in horrible times.

I think I could write it better tho.

The God of the old testament had the emotional temperament of any human being, he was jealous, angry at times, had chats as a voice from the sky or through a burning bush with various biblical figures like Abraham and moses and had no issue with killing children,

examples, GENISIS Gods test to Abraham to sacrifice his son issac to prove his love for him.

EXODUS, when God released one of the ten plagues against the pharaoh rhamses where the curse of death would be inflicted on every first born child in every Egyptian family

I would say that modern psychiatrists of today would say that the god of the old testament had some issues.

Indeed he did. Do you reckon his Son had his genes/DNA?

Did he do major back flips after his Son was born out of an adulterous relationship with a married Virgin?

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Reply #13 - Jun 25^th, 2016 at 8:17pm

I think that over time jesus appearance was washed over as a tall, handsome, blond haired with blue eyes figure splashed over cathedral decorations in churches and illustrated bibles, when most likely the people of Judea where mostly dark skinned with a Mediterranean appearances in that time, which most likely was the real appearance of jesus, where he was no Aryan model.

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Reply #14 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 2:01pm

stryder wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 8:17pm:

I think that over time jesus appearance was washed over as a tall, handsome, blond haired with blue eyes figure splashed over cathedral decorations in churches and illustrated bibles, when most likely the people of Judea where mostly dark skinned with a Mediterranean appearances in that time, which most likely was the real appearance of jesus, where he was no Aryan model.

If you are going to make assumptions about the appearances of early tribes, remember the Greeks were fair to blond until they mixed with outside populations. Similar changes may have taken place elsewhere.

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