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Reply #195 - Jun 24th, 2016 at 2:52pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 1:25pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 12:30pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 12:27pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 12:23pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 23rd, 2016 at 8:39pm:
Sure, go ahead and explain it Gandalf. You care about what the AFIC was up to, but you don't think it is important what they did with all the money?


Establishing whether or not they misused the funds is important. what specifically those funds were misused on, once established that they were misused, is not.

The only important thing to do at that point is to ensure they can't do it again.

Pretty common sense stuff FD.

It is important if it went overseas to fund terrorist groups.


It is also important not to baselessly assume that it did.
Why not, it's been done before in Australia.


Grin Thanks Homo - I think this would be FD's answer too if wasn't being gutless.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #196 - Jun 24th, 2016 at 6:51pm
 
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Establishing whether or not they misused the funds is important. what specifically those funds were misused on, once established that they were misused, is not (except for law enforcement in the case where criminal activity is involved).


Are you saying that misusing them to build a swimming pool is equivalent to misusing them to fund terrorism?

How exactly do you determine whether they were misused without finding out specifically what the money was spent on? And why do you even make the distinction?

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The only important thing for interested parties to do at that point is to ensure they can't do it again.


Again, how do you do this while remaining willfully ignorant of what was done and why?
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Reply #197 - Jun 26th, 2016 at 9:11am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 6:51pm:
Are you saying that misusing them to build a swimming pool is equivalent to misusing them to fund terrorism?


No.

freediver wrote on Jun 24th, 2016 at 6:51pm:
Again, how do you do this while remaining willfully ignorant of what was done and why


By getting them as far away as possible from the school funds - obviously.
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Reply #198 - Jun 26th, 2016 at 9:18am
 
How do you know who "they" are if you do not know what they did with the money or why? If it is one bloke stealing money for his swimming pool, it is easy. If it is a coordinated effort to divert funds to terrorism, chances are one of them is on the new board. You can not hope to eradicate institutionalised fraud by covering it up, and the efforts by you and the rest of the Muslim community to sweep this under the carpet only mean that you do not know how institutionalised it is. The effectiveness of the collective refusal to find out what was done with the money suggests the problem is cultural.
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Reply #199 - Jun 26th, 2016 at 11:07am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2016 at 9:18am:
How do you know who "they" are if you do not know what they did with the money or why? If it is one bloke stealing money for his swimming pool, it is easy. If it is a coordinated effort to divert funds to terrorism, chances are one of them is on the new board. You can not hope to eradicate institutionalised fraud by covering it up, and the efforts by you and the rest of the Muslim community to sweep this under the carpet only mean that you do not know how institutionalised it is. The effectiveness of the collective refusal to find out what was done with the money suggests the problem is cultural.




the problem is islam

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Reply #200 - Jun 26th, 2016 at 11:22am
 
has our taxes they stole gone here ?

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..........He also said that more than 30 people had been wounded and are being attended to by medical personnel at the attack site and in local hospitals.

The al-Shabaab jihadist group claimed responsibility for the attack.

The affiliate of al-Qaeda in Somalia in recent months has attacked numerous hotels and restaurants in the capital, according to the Shabelle News website..........


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/large-explosion-rocks-a-hotel-in-somali...
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Reply #201 - Jun 27th, 2016 at 1:33pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2016 at 9:18am:
How do you know who "they" are if you do not know what they did with the money or why? If it is one bloke stealing money for his swimming pool, it is easy. If it is a coordinated effort to divert funds to terrorism, chances are one of them is on the new board. You can not hope to eradicate institutionalised fraud by covering it up, and the efforts by you and the rest of the Muslim community to sweep this under the carpet only mean that you do not know how institutionalised it is. The effectiveness of the collective refusal to find out what was done with the money suggests the problem is cultural.


No one is covering up fraud or terrorist funding because there is no evidence of fraud or terrorist funding going on. This is just your fantasy - or more accurately, your way of deflecting from your outrageously bigoted claim that it was a fact that terrorist funding was going on - which you still refuse to deal with. Even your diluted variation you are spouting now - that 'the possibility of terrorism shouldn't be ignored' isn't much better - given there is no reason to suspect AFIC has anything to do with terrorism, except by way of the "mindless collective/ hive mind" argument ("they're muslims so...")
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Reply #202 - Jun 27th, 2016 at 2:22pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 26th, 2016 at 11:07am:
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2016 at 9:18am:
How do you know who "they" are if you do not know what they did with the money or why? If it is one bloke stealing money for his swimming pool, it is easy. If it is a coordinated effort to divert funds to terrorism, chances are one of them is on the new board. You can not hope to eradicate institutionalised fraud by covering it up, and the efforts by you and the rest of the Muslim community to sweep this under the carpet only mean that you do not know how institutionalised it is. The effectiveness of the collective refusal to find out what was done with the money suggests the problem is cultural.




the problem is islam



They can’t disagree with that, Sprint.

Not unless they choose a larger text, anyway.
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Reply #203 - Jun 27th, 2016 at 4:40pm
 
For shizzle, what's the point of coming all this way just to make your nice new place the turdbucket you just left?
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Reply #204 - Jun 27th, 2016 at 5:55pm
 
Dustwun wrote on Jun 27th, 2016 at 4:40pm:
For shizzle, what's the point of coming all this way just to make your nice new place the turdbucket you just left?


What have you got against buckets of stool, Matty? The old boy has them shipped in from wonderful Copenhagen.

Miam miam, ja?
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Reply #205 - Jun 27th, 2016 at 6:12pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 27th, 2016 at 1:33pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2016 at 9:18am:
How do you know who "they" are if you do not know what they did with the money or why? If it is one bloke stealing money for his swimming pool, it is easy. If it is a coordinated effort to divert funds to terrorism, chances are one of them is on the new board. You can not hope to eradicate institutionalised fraud by covering it up, and the efforts by you and the rest of the Muslim community to sweep this under the carpet only mean that you do not know how institutionalised it is. The effectiveness of the collective refusal to find out what was done with the money suggests the problem is cultural.


No one is covering up fraud or terrorist funding because there is no evidence of fraud or terrorist funding going on. This is just your fantasy - or more accurately, your way of deflecting from your outrageously bigoted claim that it was a fact that terrorist funding was going on - which you still refuse to deal with. Even your diluted variation you are spouting now - that 'the possibility of terrorism shouldn't be ignored' isn't much better - given there is no reason to suspect AFIC has anything to do with terrorism, except by way of the "mindless collective/ hive mind" argument ("they're muslims so...")


You, and presumably the broader community of non-hive-minded Muslims, are strangely apathetic about what the AFIC has been up to. Why has it risked the future of so many Muslim schools? What did it do with all that money?

In any other organisation these questions would be top of the list. All I see from you is excuses for not asking, even to the point of insisting you can prevent this happening again while remaining blissfully ignorant of what this is.
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Re: first islamic enclave gone
Reply #206 - Jun 27th, 2016 at 6:12pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 27th, 2016 at 5:55pm:
Dustwun wrote on Jun 27th, 2016 at 4:40pm:
For shizzle, what's the point of coming all this way just to make your nice new place the turdbucket you just left?


What have you got against buckets of stool, Matty? The old boy has them shipped in from wonderful Copenhagen.

Miam miam, ja?


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Reply #207 - Jun 27th, 2016 at 6:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2016 at 6:12pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 27th, 2016 at 1:33pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 26th, 2016 at 9:18am:
How do you know who "they" are if you do not know what they did with the money or why? If it is one bloke stealing money for his swimming pool, it is easy. If it is a coordinated effort to divert funds to terrorism, chances are one of them is on the new board. You can not hope to eradicate institutionalised fraud by covering it up, and the efforts by you and the rest of the Muslim community to sweep this under the carpet only mean that you do not know how institutionalised it is. The effectiveness of the collective refusal to find out what was done with the money suggests the problem is cultural.


No one is covering up fraud or terrorist funding because there is no evidence of fraud or terrorist funding going on. This is just your fantasy - or more accurately, your way of deflecting from your outrageously bigoted claim that it was a fact that terrorist funding was going on - which you still refuse to deal with. Even your diluted variation you are spouting now - that 'the possibility of terrorism shouldn't be ignored' isn't much better - given there is no reason to suspect AFIC has anything to do with terrorism, except by way of the "mindless collective/ hive mind" argument ("they're muslims so...")


You, and presumably the broader community of non-hive-minded Muslims, are strangely apathetic about what the AFIC has been up to.


No no, FD, what they have not been up to, yes?

What's the matter? Has the cat got AFIC's tongue?
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Reply #208 - Jun 28th, 2016 at 10:05am
 
Dustwun wrote on Jun 27th, 2016 at 4:40pm:
For shizzle, what's the point of coming all this way just to make your nice new place the turdbucket you just left?



Wherever the moslem goes [in the world], the moslem wants to maintain the influence of ISLAM over his life and circumstances.

This is because, for all of his life, ISLAM has been teaching the moslem, that ISLAM is the very best system for mankind to follow,
AND, AND, AND,
that that is why they [the moslems] are such, such, virtuous people [i.e. because they [the moslems] follow ISLAM!!!].

And that is why, when moslems [fleeing circumstances of religious bigotry and religious violence in their homelands] come to live in a secular nation [seeking relief and sanctuary, from violence and oppression],       .....once they [the moslems] are settled in their peaceful secular nation,       ......moslems decide that they must impose ISLAM, upon the country of their sanctuary - because moslems know that they [the moslems] are the most virtuous people,    .....because they follow ISLAM!!!


The moslem psyche isn't big on logic and reasoning.



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #209 - Jun 28th, 2016 at 10:31am
 

QUESTION;

Can there be anything more comforting [to our non-moslem psyche] than the moslem, teaching the non-moslem, the way of peace ???
/sarc off




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"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means

submitting your will to God,

so you acquire peace through it," he said.

"When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings,

I know that my own actions are in line     with what my creator wants,

and hence I am at peace with myself, [with] my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimin...




IMAGE....
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"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."


- ABC news report - 2015-01-19



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"Peace summarises everything in Islam..."

- Mr Yunus


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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