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Reply #45 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:17pm
 
now now lisa you dont live in the ACT and its only us thats paying it.. so no worries there..

lets talk about this in 5 years say and see what difference its made to peoples lives who live in AC.......

at this rate it should be almost be a thing of the past...

you say the country spends $15bil on DV.,.. and now the ACT govt is adding $21 mil more.. btw that will only be spent in ACT.. so dont look for less violence where you are will you..

just sayin.
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Reply #46 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:17pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:14pm:
Looks like Govco is getting serious.

Not content with Australians being the most taxed people on earth.
In order to fund their overly generous pensions and perks, they are desperately looking for more ways to tax people.

Perhaps if we didnt have more politicians (per capita) than any country on earth.
Perhaps if we didnt pay our politicians more than any country on earth.
Perhaps if we didnt have the single most expensive post employment reward system for politicians and public service personnel.
Perhaps if we had less levels of government
Perhaps if we had less public service personnel sucking on the tit and growing in numbers daily.
Perhaps if we didnt send billions of dollars overseas to countries that hate us.
Perhaps if we had a government not populated by narcissistic, Machiavellian, corrupt politicians and public servants.
Perhaps if Australians were not so apathetic and actually fronted these parasites.

We might have half a chance.

But dont hold your breath. 


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2. Are you in politics?

3. I'd vote for you in a heart beat.
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Reply #47 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:18pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:14pm:
cods wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 1:10pm:
we already pay out millions on this problem



BILLIONS ... and the only way to stop wasting that money is to stop the problem.

cods wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 1:10pm:
it doesnt stop anything though..

the stats keep growing....thats what I am saying..


Stats keep growing because we aren't providing enough resources. Education programmes, for one example, work Cods. Look at the decline in smoking rates compared to the 70's due to education aimed at the kids. Same with the safe sex adds (grim reaper) of the 80's, they worked. We haven't seen any safe sex adds for a long time and now aids is actually on the increase again in this country.

we are better off spending $100 now on education, than $1000 later on treatment


Another good post, John.

As an aside, I wonder how much violent movies, media, video games etc are impacting on our young men and teaching them to be violent?
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Reply #48 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:18pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:14pm:
cods wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 1:10pm:
we already pay out millions on this problem



BILLIONS ... and the only way to stop wasting that money is to stop the problem.

cods wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 1:10pm:
it doesnt stop anything though..

the stats keep growing....thats what I am saying..


Stats keep growing because we aren't providing enough resources. Education programmes, for one example, work Cods. Look at the decline in smoking rates compared to the 70's due to education aimed at the kids. Same with the safe sex adds (grim reaper) of the 80's, they worked. We haven't seen any safe sex adds for a long time and now aids is actually on the increase again in this country.

we are better off spending $100 now on education, than $1000 later on treatment



all right whatever you say..
btw you wont be paying and you wont be getting...this is for Canberra violent people only.
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Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence.
Reply #49 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:18pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:14pm:
Looks like Govco is getting serious.

Not content with Australians being the most taxed people on earth.
In order to fund their overly generous pensions and perks, they are desperately looking for more ways to tax people.

Perhaps if we didnt have more politicians (per capita) than any country on earth.
Perhaps if we didnt pay our politicians more than any country on earth.
Perhaps if we didnt have the single most expensive post employment reward system for politicians and public service personnel.
Perhaps if we had less levels of government
Perhaps if we had less public service personnel sucking on the tit and growing in numbers daily.
Perhaps if we didnt send billions of dollars overseas to countries that hate us.
Perhaps if we had a government not populated by narcissistic, Machiavellian, corrupt politicians and public servants.
Perhaps if Australians were not so apathetic and actually fronted these parasites.

We might have half a chance.

But dont hold your breath. 



the biggest problem with politicians is that they live by different rules to us and so are not very connected to reality.
Poli's should not get ANY pension before retirement age, their super should be at the same rate as everyone else, their access to super the same, they should lose their pension if they earn more than $100 per week (or whatever the current rate is) they should pay for their lunches and dinners, travel and accommodation just like everyone else. They should face the same punishment as everyone else when they break the rules. There are a whole myriad of other things we can add to the list.
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Reply #50 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:20pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:18pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:14pm:
cods wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 1:10pm:
we already pay out millions on this problem



BILLIONS ... and the only way to stop wasting that money is to stop the problem.

cods wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 1:10pm:
it doesnt stop anything though..

the stats keep growing....thats what I am saying..


Stats keep growing because we aren't providing enough resources. Education programmes, for one example, work Cods. Look at the decline in smoking rates compared to the 70's due to education aimed at the kids. Same with the safe sex adds (grim reaper) of the 80's, they worked. We haven't seen any safe sex adds for a long time and now aids is actually on the increase again in this country.

we are better off spending $100 now on education, than $1000 later on treatment


Another good post, John.

As an aside, I wonder how much violent movies, media, video games etc are impacting on our young men and teaching them to be violent?




thats right blame someone or something else...

then throw money at it... makes sense......... Shocked Shocked
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Reply #51 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:22pm
 
cods wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:20pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:18pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:14pm:
cods wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 1:10pm:
we already pay out millions on this problem



BILLIONS ... and the only way to stop wasting that money is to stop the problem.

cods wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 1:10pm:
it doesnt stop anything though..

the stats keep growing....thats what I am saying..


Stats keep growing because we aren't providing enough resources. Education programmes, for one example, work Cods. Look at the decline in smoking rates compared to the 70's due to education aimed at the kids. Same with the safe sex adds (grim reaper) of the 80's, they worked. We haven't seen any safe sex adds for a long time and now aids is actually on the increase again in this country.

we are better off spending $100 now on education, than $1000 later on treatment


Another good post, John.

[highlight]As an aside, I wonder how much violent movies, media, video games etc are impacting on our young men and teaching them to be violent?
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thats right blame someone or something else...

then throw money at it... makes sense......... Shocked Shocked


Censorship of overtly violent media costs nothing, cods. I'm curious about root causes.
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Reply #52 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:26pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:22pm:
cods wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:20pm:
Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:18pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:14pm:
cods wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 1:10pm:
we already pay out millions on this problem



BILLIONS ... and the only way to stop wasting that money is to stop the problem.

cods wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 1:10pm:
it doesnt stop anything though..

the stats keep growing....thats what I am saying..


Stats keep growing because we aren't providing enough resources. Education programmes, for one example, work Cods. Look at the decline in smoking rates compared to the 70's due to education aimed at the kids. Same with the safe sex adds (grim reaper) of the 80's, they worked. We haven't seen any safe sex adds for a long time and now aids is actually on the increase again in this country.

we are better off spending $100 now on education, than $1000 later on treatment


Another good post, John.

[highlight]As an aside, I wonder how much violent movies, media, video games etc are impacting on our young men and teaching them to be violent?
[/highlight



thats right blame someone or something else...

then throw money at it... makes sense......... Shocked Shocked


Censorship of overtly violent media costs nothing, cods. I'm curious about root causes.



well start another thread this one happens to be about an unfair unequal TAX in the ACT....but I see you think taxing home owners only is a good thing...

so I wont go one about it...
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Reply #53 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:26pm
 
Well, it is "only" $30 a year, added on to our (ACT) General Rates. The rest of Australia doesn't need to worry about it.  Grin

Canberra has had quite a lot of murders, in recent times, as a result of domestic violence.  Including a father who bashed his 8 year old son to death. The poor little kid!

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And in this week's Budget Chief Minister Andrew Barr announced that $21.4 million was available over the next four years to implement sweeping reforms.

In launching the Safer Families initiative, Barr said it was the most comprehensive package to address family violence in the territory's history.

Eight people have been killed in family violence related incidents since 2012. Estimates from the ACT Domestic Violence Crisis Service suggest that there were another 72 in the 24 years before that.

You would think then that many, many more people have been physically and emotionally abused and survived; that many, many people haven't even become a statistic because they haven't dared report anything to anybody.

The reforms and the resources are long overdue.

But the worrying thing is, will they work?

It seems one of the main problems is the lack of centralised coordination of all the different agencies involved. There are government departments, crisis services, courts and tribunals, the police and lawyers. The list of who gets what out of the Budget coffers is long and piecemeal.

To counter this it's somewhat reassuring that more than $3 million will fund a full-time family safety coordinator-general and a dedicated safe families team to create a centralised hub to foster collaboration.

Let's hope the initiative does what it hopes to do.


http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/will-the-domestic-violence-levy-get-to-t...
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Reply #54 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:31pm
 
cods wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:17pm:
now now lisa you dont live in the ACT and its only us thats paying it.. so no worries there..

lets talk about this in 5 years say and see what difference its made to peoples lives who live in AC.......

at this rate it should be almost be a thing of the past...

you say the country spends $15bil on DV.,.. and now the ACT govt is adding $21 mil more.. btw that will only be spent in ACT.. so dont look for less violence where you are will you..

just sayin.


Ha!

Oh Cods, I so wish I could take you out for lunch.

I reckon you'd be hilarious lol  Grin


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Reply #55 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:33pm
 
Young men today are the softest theyve ever been, but their animal instincts can only be tamed or sublimated, not removed. 

If i were to nominate the one main reason why violence persists, it'd be the obsession with "ending violence".
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Reply #56 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:35pm
 
Neferti wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:26pm:
Well, it is "only" $30 a year, added on to our (ACT) General Rates. The rest of Australia doesn't need to worry about it.  Grin

Canberra has had quite a lot of murders, in recent times, as a result of domestic violence.  Including a father who bashed his 8 year old son to death. The poor little kid!

Quote:
And in this week's Budget Chief Minister Andrew Barr announced that $21.4 million was available over the next four years to implement sweeping reforms.

In launching the Safer Families initiative, Barr said it was the most comprehensive package to address family violence in the territory's history.

Eight people have been killed in family violence related incidents since 2012. Estimates from the ACT Domestic Violence Crisis Service suggest that there were another 72 in the 24 years before that.

You would think then that many, many more people have been physically and emotionally abused and survived; that many, many people haven't even become a statistic because they haven't dared report anything to anybody.

The reforms and the resources are long overdue.

But the worrying thing is, will they work?

It seems one of the main problems is the lack of centralised coordination of all the different agencies involved. There are government departments, crisis services, courts and tribunals, the police and lawyers. The list of who gets what out of the Budget coffers is long and piecemeal.

To counter this it's somewhat reassuring that more than $3 million will fund a full-time family safety coordinator-general and a dedicated safe families team to create a centralised hub to foster collaboration.

Let's hope the initiative does what it hopes to do.


http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/will-the-domestic-violence-levy-get-to-t...


$3 mill over how many yrs?

Anyone know?



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Reply #57 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:38pm
 
... wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:33pm:
Young men today are the softest theyve ever been, but their animal instincts can only be tamed or sublimated, not removed. 

If i were to nominate the one main reason why violence persists, it'd be the obsession with "ending violence".


I don't know about all that.

I DO know that it would be better for everyone who lives on this planet if we women and you men could get along.



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Reply #58 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:40pm
 
Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:18pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:14pm:
cods wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 1:10pm:
we already pay out millions on this problem



BILLIONS ... and the only way to stop wasting that money is to stop the problem.

cods wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 1:10pm:
it doesnt stop anything though..

the stats keep growing....thats what I am saying..


Stats keep growing because we aren't providing enough resources. Education programmes, for one example, work Cods. Look at the decline in smoking rates compared to the 70's due to education aimed at the kids. Same with the safe sex adds (grim reaper) of the 80's, they worked. We haven't seen any safe sex adds for a long time and now aids is actually on the increase again in this country.

we are better off spending $100 now on education, than $1000 later on treatment


Another good post, John.

As an aside, I wonder how much violent movies, media, video games etc are impacting on our young men and teaching them to be violent?


I've watched plenty of violent movies ... the more blood the more my type of movie ... but that doesn't mean I'd ever hit my wife. All to often i think people use tv as an excuse.

What it all comes down to is education. People, starting with kids, should be taught that it's not ok to hit. Not just at school, but at home too. I know guys who make excuses such as they were drunk, or she made me do it. ..... in the end their is no excuse.  Defend yourself against attacks, yes (for grapplers benefit) , but hit just to get your way or out of jealousy or spite ... NEVER.
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Reply #59 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:42pm
 
... wrote on Jun 8th, 2016 at 3:33pm:
Young men today are the softest theyve ever been, but their animal instincts can only be tamed or sublimated, not removed. 

If i were to nominate the one main reason why violence persists, it'd be the obsession with "ending violence".


why? there is no such obsession in the middle east ... their DV rates are worse
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