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Re: Economic feasability of renewable energy
Reply #15 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 2:13pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 12:11pm:

Fo the same reason economically feasable coal mines demand diesel rebates.

You do know diesel fuel rebates are assessable income, don't you? That is they pay tax on that income.

'fuel tax credits, product stewardship (oil) benefit and cleaner fuels grant'

https://www.ato.gov.au/business/income-and-deductions-for-business/working-out-y...

it is merely a timing issue. BTW diesel rebates are now known as fuel tax credits.

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Reply #16 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 2:56pm

The_Barnacle wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 10:59pm:

lee wrote on May 25^th, 2016 at 9:54pm:

So it is not a economics problem it is a political problem. A subsidy to corporations creating green energy who don't need it.Cute. Sounds like a green protection racket.

It raises the price of electricity above where it should be. Who do you think will be most affected by that? Those on limited incomes or the more well off?

The feed in tariff for new systems in Victoria (where I live) is just 5c/kWh. Hardly a protection racket.

And why shouldn't people be encouraged to use renewable energy? There are countless benefits to society, and it supports an innovative new industry. It always bemuses me that the neo cons are so against clean renewable energy. It is a classic case of cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Hi Barnacle, I am 100% for renewable energies.
Have solar power at home.

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Economic feasability of renewable energy Reply #17 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:20pm There is none. Ask Greenie damaged Sth Aust with the highest power costs in Australia. Just about all normal straight Australians are sick to death of the sick diseased Greenie circus of performing queers.
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Reply #18 - Jun 25^th, 2016 at 11:22am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 2:56pm:

Hi Barnacle, I am 100% for renewable energies.
Have solar power at home.

Thats great to hear Sprint, if people could just put aside their political agendas they would see the advantages of renewables against our finite fossil fuel reserves.

juliar wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:20pm:

Just about all normal straight Australians are sick to death of the sick diseased Greenie circus of performing queers.

See what happens when you stop taking your medication Juliar.....

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16438 Gender:	Re: Economic feasability of renewable energy Reply #19 - Jun 25^th, 2016 at 12:22pm The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 11:22am: Thats great to hear Sprint, if people could just put aside their political agendas they would see the advantages of renewables against our finite fossil fuel reserves. Now all you have too do is calculate the cost of upscaling.
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Reply #20 - Jun 25^th, 2016 at 12:58pm

lee wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 12:22pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 11:22am:

Thats great to hear Sprint, if people could just put aside their political agendas they would see the advantages of renewables against our finite fossil fuel reserves.

Now all you have too do is calculate the cost of upscaling.

changing over to renewables can be done as it becomes viable.

every year solar becomes more viable.
with storage getting better it has taken another leap forward

Surely a house with solar and no power bills will sell for more than one that has a power bill every quarter?

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Reply #21 - Jun 25^th, 2016 at 4:47pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 12:58pm:

every year solar becomes more viable.
with storage getting better it has taken another leap forward

Solar and batteries are mature technologies - there will be no leap forward, rather incremental gains.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 12:58pm:

Surely a house with solar and no power bills will sell for more than one that has a power bill every quarter?

That is going to depend on the age of the solar installed. Solar needs to be replaced, as will batteries and in all probability inverters.

Have they figured out how they will manufacture solar panels from renewables yet? They are energy intensive.

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Reply #22 - Jun 29^th, 2016 at 2:01pm

lee wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 2:13pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 12:11pm:

Fo the same reason economically feasable coal mines demand diesel rebates.

You do know diesel fuel rebates are assessable income, don't you? That is they pay tax on that income.

'fuel tax credits, product stewardship (oil) benefit and cleaner fuels grant'

https://www.ato.gov.au/business/income-and-deductions-for-business/working-out-y...

it is merely a timing issue. BTW diesel rebates are now known as fuel tax credits.

Yes, i do. Are you implying that the miners pay retail cost for their fuel?
If your going to bring tax stuctures into this its going be a long and boring thread.

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Re: Economic feasability of renewable energy
Reply #23 - Jun 29^th, 2016 at 7:56pm

Pho Huc wrote on Jun 29^th, 2016 at 2:01pm:

Yes, i do. Are you implying that the miners pay retail cost for their fuel?

Nope. They will pay less because they are big users. However the diesel fuel rebate is based upon the amount charged, not the retail price.

The fuel companies are meticulous with their record keeping. They wouldn't want the fines for any breaches.

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