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The Heavy Legacies of Our Past
Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:29pm
 
This article explores the legacies of past empires and how they shape the world today. The Roman, Islamic, Spanish, Central American, French and British empires all left a deep and identifiable footprint on modern society and politics. The social institutions that built these empires shape the way we interact with our fellow man. It is my hope that a sound historical perspective will inform the causes of our great failures and successes and encourage us to face up to the challenges and threats that continue to stalk modern civilisation.

Below, I present a brief groundwork of ancient history, a recently developed tool for measuring civilisation, some maps of what may be the less familiar but still very relevant Roman and Islamic Empires, a discussion of the ultimate causes of their rise and fall, Islamís legacy, context to the European dark ages, the decline of slavery, Romeís political legacy, and how the more recent European and native American empires have shaped the modern world.

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The cradle of civilisation
Measuring civilisation
Cold, rich and powerful
The glory of Rome
The Islamic juggernaut
Islamís legacy and the myth of the golden age
The myth of the Islamic scientific revolution
Dark Ages
Slavery
Romeís legacy Ė the return to democracy
Franceís legacy Ė liberty by blood
Britainís legacy Ė Romanising the world
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Reply #1 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 11:05pm
 
I can't find a reference in there, FD. Who wrote this?
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Reply #2 - May 1st, 2016 at 3:15pm
 
I am glad its ANCIENT HISTORY... its dark and show the only thing groups had in those times was CONTROL...

replaced today by weapons....

it is all about control of one group over another after all said and done.....and in times of yore it was mainly by fear followed by war and death...they fed the Christians to the Lions through fear after all.....

the fear from what little I see..   has never really gone away....and along with the need for certain men to have complete control...it manifests itself in all sort of way.......the world is still exactly the same as it was in Roman times....thinking has become more "modern"..but its still with the same greed and Power hunger as it ever was...well thats how I see it...

not a whole lot has changed really..
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Reply #3 - May 1st, 2016 at 3:49pm
 
No no, dear, the writer is saying the West is superior to Islam because Rome was "inclusive". He then shows how Muslims were corrupted by inbreeding, which is not very inclusive.

He hasnít gone with the Arab/Negroid sub-breed thesis, preferring to.stay mum on such plausible theories. Still, heís included the modern inbred map, which proves once and for all that Muhammed was a dirty little invert.

You can read more on various old threads here, or read Why the West Rules for Now, which says something completely different.

I think the authorís looking for a publisher, he just nerds to come up with the right name.
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Reply #4 - May 1st, 2016 at 5:58pm
 
Rome was more politically inclusive than its competitors Karnal. Do you concede that?

How does the article contradict Ian Morris' views?
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freediver wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 5:58pm:
Rome was more politically inclusive than its competitors Karnal. Do you concede that?

How does the article contradict Ian Morris' views?


The article doesnít reference Morris, FD. I canít see a quote or page number in there, despite my query.

How was Rome more inclusive than, say, the caliphate? I do feel thatís the dichotomy the author is trying to pose, aside from.the inbreeding thesis.

Bread and circuses? Better treatment of slaves? More gods?
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Reply #6 - May 1st, 2016 at 7:13pm
 
The Eastern Roman Empire (the Byzantines) brought the modern world to Central Asia and the middle east. The caliphate is railing against it to this very day.
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Reply #7 - May 1st, 2016 at 8:08pm
 
Karnal wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 7:02pm:
freediver wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 5:58pm:
Rome was more politically inclusive than its competitors Karnal. Do you concede that?

How does the article contradict Ian Morris' views?


The article doesnít reference Morris, FD. I canít see a quote or page number in there, despite my query.

How was Rome more inclusive than, say, the caliphate? I do feel thatís the dichotomy the author is trying to pose, aside from.the inbreeding thesis.

Bread and circuses? Better treatment of slaves? More gods?


Elections.

It was also more politically inclusive than its contemporaries, which is the main thesis, as well as most large states throughout history until fairly recently. The original Roman Empire never competed directly against the Caliphate.

The article makes several references to Morris. The first plot in the article is from Morris' book.
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Reply #8 - May 1st, 2016 at 10:09pm
 
freediver wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 5:58pm:
Rome was more politically inclusive than its competitors Karnal. Do you concede that?

How does the article contradict Ian Morris' views?


I don't see Rome that way at all. It was Rome's way or the highway genocide. What do you mean politically inclusive? We'll adopt some of your gods, align them with ours?

I will say, Rome didn't care about ethnicity at all but it did care about obedience and anyone jacking up was dealt with harshly, no matter how long it took.

Edit: I haven't read your links yet. I will.
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Reply #9 - May 1st, 2016 at 10:15pm
 
Elections.
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Reply #10 - May 1st, 2016 at 10:29pm
 
freediver wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 10:15pm:
Elections.


This July apparently. Huh
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Reply #11 - May 2nd, 2016 at 8:17am
 
freediver wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 10:15pm:
Elections.


Those Caesars must have campaigned hard, eh?

Who got to vote in "elections"?
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Reply #12 - May 2nd, 2016 at 9:42am
 
Would you mind getting to the point Karnal, if you have one?
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Reply #13 - May 2nd, 2016 at 9:55am
 
freediver wrote on May 2nd, 2016 at 9:42am:
Would you mind getting to the point Karnal, if you have one?


Sometimes a question is just a question, FD. Who voted in Roman erections?

I'm curious.
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