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Apr 30th, 2016 at 4:48am
 

The evidence now mounting shows that the submarine tender is one of the most irregular ever conducted in Australia. Defence officials in the US, Japan and Germany are shocked at what is now being revealed.

Within 24 hours of the tender being announced, both sides are saying different things so, as anyone experienced with tenders knows, that means the deal has every prospect of becoming a disaster. (The good, the bad and the ugly of the submarine tender process, Apr 29)

There is mounting evidence that the French do not want to build the first two submarines in Australia. They need to make the first two submarines back home.

In Paris, they were shocked that Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull was so definitive in his statement that all 12 submarines would be built in Australia.

To understand how this bizarre situation developed and the implications that stem from it, we need to go back to the defence white paper which estimated the cost of the 12 submarines at $50bn (we learned later that this is an inflation-adjusted figure).

At the time, the Japanese were mystified because they knew their tender was less than half that and the German “all local” tender was even lower — probably under $20bn.

Japanese and German defence tenderers wondered why Australia would use such an inflated figure. Perhaps they were safeguarding themselves against yet another ‘stuff up’. To the Americans, Japanese and Germans, it now looks like it was because the high-cost French tender had already been selected.

The $50bn figure was repeated in the Australian announcements but it was the French media that released the details that shocked the defence-tendering world.

The French media were told by their government that some 30 per cent of the expenditure on the submarines, or €8bn, would be spent in France.

That equates to approximately $12bn which (using 30 per cent of the value) in turn prices the project at $40bn, or roughly in line with the defence white paper estimate.

The French shipyards are highly unionised and are not regarded as operating at the top levels of global efficiency.

Nevertheless, when the French declared that they would need 4,000 people to build their 30 per cent of the 12 submarines, it was a huge number. We don’t know how many people would have been involved in the Japanese tender but the Germans made it clear in tender pre-publicity that they could build the 12 submarines in Australia with merely 1,200 people.

Why would you need 4,000 French workers — three times the number of Australian workers required for the German bid — when 12 submarines are to be built in Australia?

The other strange aspect of the submarine tender is that the submarines are not going to be delivered until 2033 or 2034. The Germans were offering to have submarines available around 2028.

But maybe there was something about doing the deal with the French that has not been disclosed. Perhaps a group of defence officials believe longer term that Australia needs nuclear submarines because of their greater range. Given its 15 years before the first submarine arrives, everyone would have forgotten what Malcolm Turnbull said this week. Indeed, he will have retired.

To build a nuclear submarine in Australia requires a change in the legislation, and a nuclear industry, which we don’t have, although the climate is changing and South Australia looks set to become a nuclear hub.

When the tender was first announced, I noted that there might be a nuclear agenda but at that stage I had no idea of the tendering mess (Australia’s defence options open up, April 27).

If it’s a nuclear submarine that Australia wanted, then it would have only been fair the other tenderers know about it and be given an opportunity to include a nuclear option.

This article has been updated after publication to clarify details around the submarine build estimates

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What did we do to deserve this bunch of corrupt , devious scum. Bring on the election so we can get rid of the rsholes!!
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macman wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:00am:
What did we do to deserve this bunch of corrupt , devious scum. Bring on the election so we can get rid of the rsholes!!


As if Labor wouldn't preside over equally a big clusterfkuc.
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Reply #4 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 8:12am
 
Thanks for posting this.  I tried to put it on myself, but hit the paywall.    The french are known for throwing up the white flag, but while Australia fly it's first and allow the first two boats to be built in France?

What is also worrying is the long lead time before these boats start to trickle into service.     It mean the Collins Class will need to be extended a decade and more as a capability until the new boats start replacing them.  That is going to cost billions.   Can ASC maintain building new boats AND maintaining ageing capability?  Don't think so


Also, as stated in the article, the much vaunted "Jobs for Aussies"   A decade away for most meaningful work.  All the preliminary design, investigations, tests etc will be done by the DMO - existing APS .
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Reply #5 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 8:24am
 
GordyL wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 8:10am:
macman wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:00am:
What did we do to deserve this bunch of corrupt , devious scum. Bring on the election so we can get rid of the rsholes!!


As if Labor wouldn't preside over equally a big clusterfkuc.



So you agree that the LNP are corrupt, devious scum, well done! As to what Labor would do we will never know until we get rid of these incompetents.
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Ok rightards where are you all demanding answers on this.

Heads all in the sand!
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Don't forget too that the partner of the Defence Minister - a Minister in the NSW Parliament - was seeking a meeting with the French company behind the tender a week before this deal was announced. Shenanigans? Corruption?

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Reply #8 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:03am
 
GordyL wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 8:10am:
macman wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:00am:
What did we do to deserve this bunch of corrupt , devious scum. Bring on the election so we can get rid of the rsholes!!


As if Labor wouldn't preside over equally a big clusterfkuc.



They did.
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At the time, the Japanese were mystified because they knew their tender was less than half that and the German “all local” tender was even lower — probably under $20b


I thought all tenders were secret....

or maybe someone is making mischief...

as the last one wont be launched until 2060.....do you think you will be around to worry about who did what and when??>..

maybe I couldnt be less interested myself....its all political.. all about votes....

let me know when they are going to ask me to chip in $10 a week to pay for them...


maybe Turnbull likes the French  interior Decor better.... Wink
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Reply #10 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:13am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:03am:
GordyL wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 8:10am:
macman wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:00am:
What did we do to deserve this bunch of corrupt , devious scum. Bring on the election so we can get rid of the rsholes!!


As if Labor wouldn't preside over equally a big clusterfkuc.



They did.



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The submarines have been the subject of incidents and technical problems since the design phase, including accusations of foul play and bias during the design selection, improper handling of design changes during construction, major capability deficiencies in the first submarines, and ongoing technical problems throughout the early life of the class. These problems have been compounded by the inability of the RAN to retain sufficient personnel to operate the submarines—by 2008, only three could be manned, and between 2009 and 2012, on average two or fewer were fully operational. The resulting negative press has led to a poor public perception of the Collins class.


pot and kettle all over again...
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macman wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:00am:
What did we do to deserve this bunch of corrupt , devious scum. Bring on the election so we can get rid of the rsholes!!


Lying, mendacious, fraudulent, perfidious, shifty bastards.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:27am:
macman wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:00am:
What did we do to deserve this bunch of corrupt , devious scum. Bring on the election so we can get rid of the rsholes!!


Lying, mendacious, fraudulent, perfidious, shifty bastards.



your HATE overwhelmes you greggy you are sounding like a member of the ISIL more and more..
             desperate
full of ^HATE...
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Reply #13 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:33am
 
cods wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:31am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:27am:
macman wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:00am:
What did we do to deserve this bunch of corrupt , devious scum. Bring on the election so we can get rid of the rsholes!!


Lying, mendacious, fraudulent, perfidious, shifty bastards.



your HATE overwhelmes you greggy you are sounding like a member of the ISIL more and more..
             desperate
full of ^HATE...


No hate.

Just the truth.

Lying, mendacious, fraudulent, perfidious, shifty bastards.

The most corrupt and incompetent government in the history of our great nation.

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Reply #14 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:36am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:33am:
cods wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:31am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:27am:
macman wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 7:00am:
What did we do to deserve this bunch of corrupt , devious scum. Bring on the election so we can get rid of the rsholes!!


Lying, mendacious, fraudulent, perfidious, shifty bastards.



your HATE overwhelmes you greggy you are sounding like a member of the ISIL more and more..
             desperate
full of ^HATE...


No hate.

Just the truth.

Lying, mendacious, fraudulent, perfidious, shifty bastards.

The most corrupt and incompetent government in the history of our great nation.



CORRECT
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