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Is this the new wonder battery ?
Apr 28th, 2016 at 10:37pm
 
Will this be the new wonder battery to replace the Tesla PowerWall which is a bit light weighty and gimmicy ?



Locally-developed nanostructured gel-based batteries to challenge lithium-ion
Thursday, 14 April 2016

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Armstrong Energy, a major utility-scale solar energy company based in the UK, will invest $11m into Gelion, a University of Sydney spin-off company, to work on commercially viable, nanostructured, gel-based batteries.

The growing interest in renewable energy has led to demand for batteries in houses and buildings capable of storing excess energy generated on site from sources like solar panels.

Gelion, which is the brainchild of renewable energy and catalysis expert Professor Thomas Maschmeyer, promises battery technology which significantly outcompetes current lithium-ion technology in terms of charging/discharging speeds, size, safety, durability and price.

At the centre of the battery technology being developed by Gelion is Professor Maschmeyer’s design of nanostructured gels. It uses zinc-bromine, but unlike the zinc-bromine flow batteries being developed by another Australian company, Redflow, it uses a gel.

The use of zinc-bromine nanostructured gel allows the batteries to be used in smaller applications, such as cars, computers and mobile devices. In terms of performance, the battery can be charged in just a few minutes, with an efficiency of 90 percent, exceeding that of common lithium-ion batteries today.

The initial market for Gelion is battery storage in residential and commercial buildings. A major incentive for building developers is the fact that the batteries can be flexible in terms of form factors. This means they can be integrated into prefabricated wall structures, for example, with the very walls of buildings acting as battery storage.

“The idea is to build houses with batteries inherently included as part of their structure, ready to take advantage of rapidly improving, solar energy technology and also to serve as a buffer for the grid, enabling an ever greater share of renewables to be connected, while grid stability is maintained,” Professor Maschmeyer explained.

The exchange of contracts between Gelion and Armstrong Energy, and the commitment of $11m means the Australian company could be demonstrating a full commercial prototype within four years.

Following such a demonstration, Gelion would then be able to engineer its technology for mass production, and proceed to full commercialisation.


https://www.engineersaustralia.org....red-gel-based-batteries-challenge-lithium-...
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Reply #1 - Apr 29th, 2016 at 8:56am
 
Don't rush out too soon to buy a battery unit for your home.

Don't forget that batteries and transmission lines produce Electromagnetic fields (EMF).

Do you really want a house with EMF running through it.

There are shielding materials but for me its NO THANKS.

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Reply #2 - Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:33pm
 
Ajax,

any house with standard 240 volt AC wiring will have 50 hertz alternating electromagnetic fields near the wires when the alternating current is flowing.

Solar panels produce direct current  DC which produces a steady electromagnetic field around the wires while the direct current is flowing.

The EMF produced by these currents are quite harmless.

I think you are referring to the much higher radio frequency which is used to transmit an electromagnetic energy wave out of an antenna.

The ordinary mobile phone radiates electromagnetic energy at about 900Hertz. This energy is MOST definitely hazardous especially when the mobile phone is held against the head because the RF energy enters the head and heats the brain resulting in possible brain tumors.

The effect is very similar to a microwave oven where a radio transmitter emits RF energy which heats the food in the oven.
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Reply #4 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 8:53am
 
juliar wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:33pm:
Ajax,

any house with standard 240 volt AC wiring will have 50 hertz alternating electromagnetic fields near the wires when the alternating current is flowing.

Solar panels produce direct current  DC which produces a steady electromagnetic field around the wires while the direct current is flowing.

The EMF produced by these currents are quite harmless.

I think you are referring to the much higher radio frequency which is used to transmit an electromagnetic energy wave out of an antenna.

The ordinary mobile phone radiates electromagnetic energy at about 900Hertz. This energy is MOST definitely hazardous especially when the mobile phone is held against the head because the RF energy enters the head and heats the brain resulting in possible brain tumors.

The effect is very similar to a microwave oven where a radio transmitter emits RF energy which heats the food in the oven.


I don’t think we know enough about long term exposure to EMF on humans, it may be harmless, it may affect some and not others we just don’t know, having a battery (transmission system) on your house that draws power from the grid and puts it back, imo is not a good idea at this early stage of this development.
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Reply #5 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 10:03am
 
Should we wait until this new invention (electricity) has been around for a bit longer before we commit to it?
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Reply #6 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 11:32am
 
juliar wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 5:33pm:
Ajax,

any house with standard 240 volt AC wiring will have 50 hertz alternating electromagnetic fields near the wires when the alternating current is flowing.

Solar panels produce direct current  DC which produces a steady electromagnetic field around the wires while the direct current is flowing.

The EMF produced by these currents are quite harmless.

I think you are referring to the much higher radio frequency which is used to transmit an electromagnetic energy wave out of an antenna.

The ordinary mobile phone radiates electromagnetic energy at about 900Hertz. This energy is MOST definitely hazardous especially when the mobile phone is held against the head because the RF energy enters the head and heats the brain resulting in possible brain tumors.

The effect is very similar to a microwave oven where a radio transmitter emits RF energy which heats the food in the oven.



900Hertz ?  don't you mean 900 MHz.

Actually the approximate frequencies are:

700MHz, 850MHz, 900MHz, 1800MHz and 2100MHz.

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Reply #7 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 11:58am
 
There's a new wonder battery announced every 3 months Smiley
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Reply #8 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 1:09pm
 
That's because there is a need for them. The shift away from fossil fuels to renewables will involve greater reliance on energy storage. In many developing countries, it is cheaper to use small scale electricity (diesel, solar etc) and storage rather then conventional centralised systems.
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Reply #9 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 10:46pm
 
What I want to know is why the Tesla PowerWall is banned in Australia. Other than the obvious fact the Government wants to screw us over power. Well I just answered my own question I guess.
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Reply #10 - May 1st, 2016 at 10:48am
 
Perhaps the government is protecting people from their own stupidity. You want to hand over thousands of dollars, but it is the government screwing you?

My guess is they are still going through the approval process to demonstrate they are not a fire hazard.  If one of those things short circuited you would have about 3 seconds to get out.
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Reply #11 - May 1st, 2016 at 10:57am
 
Ashley wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 10:46pm:
What I want to know is why the Tesla PowerWall is banned in Australia. Other than the obvious fact the Government wants to screw us over power. Well I just answered my own question I guess.


It is not banned in Australia.

In the ACT a number of installers are being registered as authorised installers.

http://onestepoffthegrid.com.au/tesla-powerwall-sales-kick-off-in-australia-as-l...
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freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 1:09pm:
That's because there is a need for them. The shift away from fossil fuels to renewables will involve greater reliance on energy storage. In many developing countries, it is cheaper to use small scale electricity (diesel, solar etc) and storage rather then conventional centralised systems.


I agree, my point was that there is a new 'in theory' wonder battery announced every 3 months.

I reckon a really cool idea would be to have a large scale offset hydro system where all the excess wind and rooftop solar is used to pump water to a reservoir which is released to make hydro leccy in times of need.

Could be idea for small population centers on the coast.


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GordyL wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 1:27pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 1:09pm:
That's because there is a need for them. The shift away from fossil fuels to renewables will involve greater reliance on energy storage. In many developing countries, it is cheaper to use small scale electricity (diesel, solar etc) and storage rather then conventional centralised systems.


I agree, my point was that there is a new 'in theory' wonder battery announced every 3 months.

I reckon a really cool idea would be to have a large scale offset hydro system where all the excess wind and rooftop solar is used to pump water to a reservoir which is released to make hydro leccy in times of need.

Could be idea for small population centers on the coast.



water is a rare commodity in this country.
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Reply #14 - May 1st, 2016 at 1:37pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 1:30pm:
GordyL wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 1:27pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 1:09pm:
That's because there is a need for them. The shift away from fossil fuels to renewables will involve greater reliance on energy storage. In many developing countries, it is cheaper to use small scale electricity (diesel, solar etc) and storage rather then conventional centralised systems.


I agree, my point was that there is a new 'in theory' wonder battery announced every 3 months.

I reckon a really cool idea would be to have a large scale offset hydro system where all the excess wind and rooftop solar is used to pump water to a reservoir which is released to make hydro leccy in times of need.

Could be idea for small population centers on the coast.



water is a rare commodity in this country.


Unless you're on the coast. 
The geography around W'gong seems promising for something like that.
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