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Reply #15 - Jun 18th, 2016 at 9:28pm
 
Master Light, you display your ignorance of music history. The use of an ascending baseline in B in a progression in A minor has been commonplace since the middle ages in Celtic folk. When compared in that sense, the progressions are quite different.
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Reply #16 - Jun 18th, 2016 at 9:38pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Jun 18th, 2016 at 9:15pm:
singer Robert Plant and guitarist Jimmy Page will be made to pay for their theft of the stairway to heaven

she bought a stolen stairway .. more hoodwinkery from occultists and worshippers of crowley

whoa be unto them

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Rock-n-Roll/led_zeppelin-ale...

forgiven yet exposed

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The trial is not over yet.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/ct-led-zeppelin-stairway-to-he...

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Reply #17 - Jun 18th, 2016 at 9:42pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 18th, 2016 at 9:28pm:
Master Light, you display your ignorance of music history. The use of an ascending baseline in B in a progression in A minor has been commonplace since the middle ages in Celtic folk. When compared in that sense, the progressions are quite different.



Yes - it's musical mathematics:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/plagiarism-lawsuit-jimmy-page-describes...


Led Zeppelin argues, "The similarity between 'Taurus' and 'Stairway' is limited to a descending chromatic scale of pitches resulting from 'broken' chords or arpeggios and which is so common in music it is called a minor line cliché... There is no substantial similarity in the works’ structures, which are markedly different. Neither is there any harmonic or melodic similarity beyond the unprotected descending line. Rather, straining to find something, the plaintiff’s expert argues that 'Stairway' and recordings of 'Taurus' have only five of the six chords in a centuries-old work — part of public domain material is still public domain material — and that both have the unprotected sequence of notes in a minor scale, A, B and C."
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Reply #18 - Jun 18th, 2016 at 9:44pm
 
"Stairway To Heaven"

There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold
And she's buying a stairway to heaven.
When she gets there she knows, if the stores are all closed
With a word she can get what she came for.
Ooh, ooh, and she's buying a stairway to heaven.

There's a sign on the wall but she wants to be sure
'Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings.
In a tree by the brook, there's a songbird who sings,
Sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven.

Ooh, it makes me wonder,
Ooh, it makes me wonder.

There's a feeling I get when I look to the west,
And my spirit is crying for leaving.
In my thoughts I have seen rings of smoke through the trees,
And the voices of those who stand looking.

Ooh, it makes me wonder,
Ooh, it really makes me wonder.

And it's whispered that soon, if we all call the tune,
Then the piper will lead us to reason.
And a new day will dawn for those who stand long,
And the forests will echo with laughter.

If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed now,
It's just a spring clean for the May queen.
Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run
There's still time to change the road you're on.
And it makes me wonder.

Your head is humming and it won't go, in case you don't know,
The piper's calling you to join him,
Dear lady, can you hear the wind blow, and did you know
Your stairway lies on the whispering wind?

And as we wind on down the road
Our shadows taller than our soul.
There walks a lady we all know
Who shines white light and wants to show
How everything still turns to gold.
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last.
When all are one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll.

And she's buying a stairway to heaven.



I am still wondering about my bustling hedgerow
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Reply #19 - Jun 18th, 2016 at 10:25pm
 
Imagine how much pussy these guys got?

master Light is jealous.



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Reply #20 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 7:13am
 


Spirit - Taurus

check mate

led zep stole stairway to heaven

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Reply #21 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 7:35am
 
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Reply #22 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 8:22am
 
How dare they steal the stairway to Heaven!

Anyone here know where they're hiding it?

Wonder if said stairway will be replaced by an elevator?
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Reply #23 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 8:26am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 4:22pm:


Spirit - Taurus

check mate led zep stole stairway to heaven and now

they shall give it back

perfect rip off

forgiven yet exposed

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I agree Bobby!
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Reply #24 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 8:28am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 4:26pm:
Mickey - Toni Basil

Kitty - Racey

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Yep...another example!
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Reply #25 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 9:56am
 
Hmmm......similar, but I don't think it sounds enough alike to be called a rip off Huh
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Reply #26 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 10:08am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 19th, 2016 at 8:26am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 4:22pm:


Spirit - Taurus

check mate led zep stole stairway to heaven and now

they shall give it back

perfect rip off

forgiven yet exposed

namaste


I agree Bobby!



Dear Lisa,
are you agreeing with me or master Light?
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Reply #27 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 10:20am
 
I thought this would come up in the trial. If Zepp had not included the descending cadence as a intro, the comparisons would be rather slim. And I don't believe you can copyright a chord progression (harmonic structure). My Funny Valentine is a good example of similar chords.

" Another plaintiff expert, Alexander Stewart, a music professor at the University of Vermont, said he found five categories in which both songs had significant similarities, including a descending chord progression, notes lasting the same duration and a series of arpeggios and similar pairs of notes.
Chord progression
He said the descending chord progression and other elements have been found in songs dating back to the 1600s. But he testified that of more than 65 songs the defence has said have a similar construction, including My Funny Valentine, the Beatles’ Michelle and Chim Chim Cher-ee from the film Mary Poppins, none contained all five elements shared by Taurus and Stairway.
“Not one of them came close,” Mr Stewart said, though he acknowledged on cross-examination that the notes in both songs did not all line up in the same places."

My guess is that Zepp may have heard Taurus, and it was in the back of their minds, but like George Harrison's court case, I doubt they sat down and said this is a good tune, let's rip it off. Looking at their career, I don't see that tendency.
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Reply #28 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 10:56am
 
many blessings unto all beings

yet reality will be observed without ignorant and illogical conclusions by various pundits ,

the trial shall ensue regardless ..

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/apr/12/stairway-to-heavens-opening-chords...

Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven may be partly stolen, judge says


‘Substantial’ similarities are enough to warrant a trial over whether Robert Plant and Jimmy Page lifted opening chords from Taurus by the band Spirit

Led Zeppelin’s lead singer Robert Plant and guitarist Jimmy Page must face a US jury trial over whether they stole opening chords for their 1971 classic Stairway to Heaven.


Stairway to Heaven: the story of a song and its legacy

In a decision on Friday, US district judge Gary Klausner in Los Angeles said the song and the 1967 instrumental Taurus by the band Spirit were similar enough to let a jury decide whether Plant and Page were liable for copyright infringement.

A trial is scheduled for 10 May.

The lawsuit was brought by Michael Skidmore, a trustee for the late Randy Wolfe, also known as Randy California, who was Spirit’s guitarist and the composer of Taurus.



Skidmore said Page may have been inspired to write Stairway to Heaven for Led Zeppelin after hearing Spirit perform Taurus while the bands toured together in 1968 and 1969, but that Wolfe never got credit.

The defendants said Wolfe was a songwriter-for-hire who had no copyright claim, and that the chord progressions were so clichéd that they did not deserve copyright protection.

But the judge said a jury could find “substantial” similarity between the first two minutes of Stairway to Heaven and Taurus, which he called “arguably the most recognizable and important segments” of the songs.

While it is true that a descending chromatic four-chord progression is a common convention that abounds in the music industry, the similarities here transcend this core structure,” Klausner wrote. “What remains is a subjective assessment of the ‘concept and feel’ of two works ... a task no more suitable for a judge than for a jury.



Klausner dismissed claims against Led Zeppelin bassist John Paul Jones and Warner Music Group.

He also said the trustee could get only 50% of any damages awarded, citing a 1967 contract that Wolfe signed.

“This case, from our perspective, has always been about giving credit where credit was due, and now we get to right that wrong,” said Francis Malofiy, a lawyer for Skidmore.

A lawyer for the defendants did not immediately respond on Monday to requests for comment.

According to the complaint, Wolfe complained about the similarities of the songs in an interview shortly before he drowned in 1997 in the Pacific Ocean while attempting to rescue his son.

Stairway to Heaven is a track on Led Zeppelin’s untitled fourth studio album, often referred to as Led Zeppelin IV.
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Reply #29 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 1:15pm
 
Just tried to post My Sweet Lord and He,s So Fine
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