I dont know, I'd have to be convinced its a big issue.

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 1:24pm:


Is this happening a lot?

More so than in a bikie club house, for example?

Do you have any stats?

Arent they lebanese christian?

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 1:45pm:




Its just that by coincidence we've had no Port Arthur style massacres since

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 1:45pm:


How many 'Port Arthurs' have we had recently?

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 1:54pm:


The random mass shootings in Australia where the victims were unknown to the offender-
Julian Knight
Frank Vitkovic
Paul Evers
Wade Frankum
Martin Bryant
smh.com.au/articles/2002/10/21/1034561442556.html


We can count on one hand how many random mass shootings we have had in Australia, they are fairly rare for our 200+ year history

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 1:45pm:


New Zealand has had no mass shootings since 1997, they allow semi auto rifles with silencers for recreational shooters in NZ.

New Zealand abolished long arm registration in 1983 and have rejected every call for it since with the Police saying it cannot prevent or solve gun crimes.
Canada abolished long arm registration saying it's costly and cannot prevent or solve gun crimes.

Culturally we were always closer to NZ than the USA.

Our gun laws had no effect on homicides which peaked 3 years after our compensated confiscation.
aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 2:53pm:


Interesting claim.

The only problem is, you have no way of proving it.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:



In the same way you and the rest of the howard supporters do.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 3:22pm:



Calm your tits Francine, just pointing out the stupidity of your comment. 

And that "case closed" shtick is seriously infantile, you might want reconsider using that when talking to adults.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:


Quote:


Homicides peaked 3 years after our 1996 gun laws.

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 1:59pm:




Right, any eivdence, your word is untrustworthy

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 3:36pm:


That is not proof that "Our gun laws had no effect on homicides."

As I said, you have no way of proving your claim.

I did

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwiche%E2%80%93Razzak%E2%80%93Fahda_family_confl
ict


Has no mention of Bilal Skaf, I didnt ask about Bilal Skaf, I asked whether this family was lebanese christian.

Cheers for not answering the actual question.

Any discussion on howard is a discussion of lies, half truths and conspiracies.

The man has no moral compass and was intimately involved in the murder of people in the Port Arthur incident, either pre or post fact.

There are several theories on this subject, but using the deaths of law abiding people to further his political machinations and introduce draconian gun laws that are virtually worthless, is as evil as can be attributed to any animal.

Nah he aint that smart, the man is a total retard.
But he was either aware before or after of who did it and it wasn't the poor sod who was framed.

Too many questions surround the incident.
Why was the evidence destroyed?
Why was that medical conference on at the time?
Why were the police sent on a wild goose chase away from the crime scene"
Why was a man capable of shooting so many people with pinpoint accuracy, unable to hit even 1 cop when he was surrounded?
There are lots of unanswered questions, and howard is deep in the thick of it.

The man (sorry, the creature) only wants his name and face in the media.
He is a sociopath and megalomaniac extreem.

Every Australian ex Prime Minister has been offered a job after they left politics, he couldnt get one even when all his cohorts tried to bludgeon groups to support him.

Even his boyfriend Bush wanted nothing to do with him once he left politics.

The man is a parasite just like a cancer, his presence is abhorrent and the sooner he goes to hell the better.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 1:54pm:


how many did we have prior?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 11:08am:

I think Howards laws on semi-automaic guns was justified and probably still is in regards to limiting the mass carnage by a  mass shooting nutter.

As far as the current regular shootings by crims nothing will stop that.

Gun smuggling into Australia is rife, it is suggested that smugglers drop loads of guns out to sea and advise the GPS coordinates to the retrieving crims. As they buy them for peanuts overseas if they lose some loads who cares as its not like they are worth $M like a load of ICE.

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 12:42pm:



Wasn't Martin Bryant a legal gun owner?

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 2:59pm:




Yes, how ridiculous to suggest that a legal gun owner could be responsible for that type of atrocity


Bryant also withdrew many thousands of dollars during this period. He used at least some of this money in late 1993 to purchase an AR-10 semi-automatic rifle through a newspaper advertisement in Tasmania. In March 1996, he had his AR-10 repaired at a gun shop and made enquiries about AR-15 rifles in other gun shops. In April 1995, he also purchased cleaning kits for a .30 calibre weapon and a 12 gauge Daewoo shotgun. He purchased a sports bag and told a shop attendant that it would need to be strong enough to carry large amounts of ammunition. He told his girlfriend, Petra Wilmott, a different story about the purpose of the bag. He also hid the weapons and a large amount of ammunition at his house. At the time of purchase no registration of guns outside of handguns was required in Tasmania.



Oh wait he was a legal gun owner.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 4:59pm:



You don't even realise just how moronic your posts are do you? You make me weep for humanity.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Ahhh, the sheep mentality.

We have been told that we are afraid of being killed by all those bad bad men with guns, so we hand over all our rights so that we will be safe.
What a load of ........


howards gun laws were not just about guns, careful manipulation of the laws have allowed the government to erode our rights and freedoms more and more, and all with our willing, smiling agreement.

As a child I knew my father always had a pen knife, he used it to cut apples, cut rope and even administer minor first aid and get splinters out.
As a Boy Scout we all carried a pen knife, everywhere we went.
There was never any knife fights, stabbing or threats by the people I knew because we were normal Australians.

With howards new draconian laws, knives (even the 1" long tiny pen knife) is seen as a deadly threat and you can be punished harshly for carrying one. But it dont end there, a screwdriver, nail file, even a tool is considered a weapon and the person carrying it is considered a dangerous criminal.

Instead of draconian legislation about so called weapons, perhaps some common sense punishment for abuse of tools such as knives and screwdrivers.
Perhaps criminals should be punished and not Australian citizens who are law abiding, but who would like to carry a useful tool on their person.
But no, that's too hard, easier to legislate, fine , criminalize and punish law abiding people while criminals just go on doing what they do best.

The insane are running the asylum.

Valkie wrote on Apr 7^th, 2016 at 8:22am:


Australians have never had any "rights" to own guns, so your argument fails at the first fence.  Stop wasting our time arguing for something we've never had, thankfully.   

Isnt going against what the government says also what everyone who goes against the government says also does, so essentially Valkie you're just in a different flock to us.

Valkie wrote on Apr 7^th, 2016 at 8:22am:
Dribbling nonsense.

Quote:


Ya think so?
Try getting on a plane with a nail file or nail clippers.

Or try getting into Parliament house with same.

Or if you get arrested for something, anything, say protesting, anything found on your person is classed as a weapon.

I watched some poor old man get harrassed and yelled at by a couple of security guys at Brisbane airport, because he had some nail clippers in his bag that his wife put in for him.
The poor old cap was getting more and more upset as these security brain dead accused him of criminal intent. I suggested they simply take the nail clippers off him and allow him to go as he was getting somewhat upset.
For that I was grabbed and taken aside for studious and intense examination of my belongings and person.

It seemed to upset them somewhat that I was not concerned one iota, I had nothing to be concerned about and when I pointed out the fact that my companion was recording the whole incident,they became even more aggressive, and wanted to know which one he was. (probably to get the recording off him).
I laughed at their impotence and just smiled, they reluctantly let me go with a warning. There was no companion.

Funny thing though, I was a very regular traveler to Brizzy, and I was never hassled again, although, I often got nasty looks.

Valkie wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 6:28am:
No, I dont think so. I know so.  just because something can be used as a weapon and is banned from certain areas does not mean you will  automatically be charged with carrying a weapon if arrested.

Quote:
Nonsense. the only way you could possibly be charged with carrying a weapon if found in  possession of these common household items is if you admitted to carrying them for the purpose of using them for self defence.

Not fabricated buddy..........fact.
It was not someone else, it was in fact ME.

It has only ever happened in Brisbane and the security were nothing but bullying wannabes, who thought that their uniform made them special.

The old man was getting very seriously upset, but this wasn't a worry for them, they only saw their self importance as the focus, not the fact that the poor old bloke was sacred.

Its careless, stupidity like this that gives security a bad name.
I understand that they have a job, but honestly, how many terrorists have they actually caught in the Brisbane airport xray area?

Nowhere else in the world have I experience such bombastic, megalomania, and I have been to a lot of airports in a lot of countries.

Not even in Communist China have I seen its like, if fact, in China they were some of the most polite people I have ever met.

I'm sorry if you find it hard to believe, but fact is fact, It did happen to me, these people exist.
Or do you also find it hard to believe that several police men would tazer an Aboriginal to death?
Or that several police men would beat a black guy for a minor traffic offence.

And that is considering that the police are far better trained and generally more capable than a security person who has done a two week course in reading an xray machine?