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Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia
Reply #195 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:35am

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:10am:

Sure. It could be.

So if it is, do you think its an excusable form of racism - given that its people merely "respond[ing] badly to people getting blown up in the street"?

I would settle for Islamophobia is always an emotional (say from seeing people blown up) - and therefore irrational response that unfairly demonises all muslims. Whether its a genuine case of trauma from seeing the horrors of Islamic terrorism, or (far more commonly I would say), a classic case of demonising the 'other' - all Islamophobia is a function of ignorance and bigotry. Racism is an acceptable term for that IMO, but if you prefer 'prejudice' or 'bigotry', then that works for me too.

I also disagree that its always in response to seeing people blown up. I'm pretty sure sprint or issuevoter has never seen anyone get blown up. I'd guess that most Islamophobes have never had any significant interactions with any muslim. The defining characteristic of an Islamophobe is ignorance.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50566 At my desk.	Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia Reply #196 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:45am So you go from a definition of Islamophobia that includes the word irrational, to unfair, to ignorant, to bigoted, then to racist, then go full circle back to Islamophobia. Who needs a dictionary when you can make it up as you go along eh?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98425	Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia Reply #197 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:46am freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:10am: Sure. It could be. Ah. So you could be racist. I think we’re getting somewhere. Are some of your best friends tinted?
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Reply #198 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:13am

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:45am:

So you go from a definition of Islamophobia that includes the word irrational, to unfair, to ignorant, to bigoted, then to racist, then go full circle back to Islamophobia.

Who needs a dictionary when you can make it up as you go along eh?

What attributes would you suggest for defining Islamophobia FD? And I don't mean the causes.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50566 At my desk.	Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia Reply #199 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:19am Irrational makes sense. The rest of it is just you destroying the English language so that racism can have the same meaning as all those other words you coughed up.
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Reply #200 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:21am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:13am:

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:45am:

So you go from a definition of Islamophobia that includes the word irrational, to unfair, to ignorant, to bigoted, then to racist, then go full circle back to Islamophobia.

Who needs a dictionary when you can make it up as you go along eh?

What attributes would you suggest for defining Islamophobia FD? And I don't mean the causes.

Is disagreeing with Hizbut Tahrir Islamophobic?
Hizbut Tahrir say it is.

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Reply #201 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:28am

Irrational eh? Goodness, we might be getting somewhere.

At least we're moving on from it being a sound historical analysis of the exploits of the historical Muhammad.

Is saying that bigotry and ignorance is closely associated with irrationality " destroying the English language"?

Can you explain to me how Islamophobia isn't "unfair"?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98425	Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia Reply #202 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:28am You didn’t answer the question, FD. A supplimentary if I may - do you know any Muslims?
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Reply #203 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:28am

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:21am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:13am:

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:45am:

So you go from a definition of Islamophobia that includes the word irrational, to unfair, to ignorant, to bigoted, then to racist, then go full circle back to Islamophobia.

Who needs a dictionary when you can make it up as you go along eh?

What attributes would you suggest for defining Islamophobia FD? And I don't mean the causes.

Is disagreeing with Hizbut Tahrir Islamophobic?
Hizbut Tahrir say it is.

Could you provide a quote for that gordy?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #204 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:31am

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At least we're moving on from it being a sound historical analysis of the exploits of the historical Muhammad.

Quote me.

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Is saying that bigotry and ignorance is closely associated with irrationality " destroying the English language"?

This is you destroying the English language:

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Whether its a genuine case of trauma from seeing the horrors of Islamic terrorism, or (far more commonly I would say), a classic case of demonising the 'other' - all Islamophobia is a function of ignorance and bigotry. Racism is an acceptable term for that IMO

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Reply #205 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:31am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:28am:

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:21am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:13am:

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:45am:

So you go from a definition of Islamophobia that includes the word irrational, to unfair, to ignorant, to bigoted, then to racist, then go full circle back to Islamophobia.

Who needs a dictionary when you can make it up as you go along eh?

What attributes would you suggest for defining Islamophobia FD? And I don't mean the causes.

Is disagreeing with Hizbut Tahrir Islamophobic?
Hizbut Tahrir say it is.

Could you provide a quote for that gordy?

What exactly would you expect from HuT? Are you defending them?
Do you think they're reasonable?

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Reply #206 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:38am

Karnal wrote on Apr 7^th, 2016 at 8:54pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 7^th, 2016 at 8:50pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 7^th, 2016 at 3:48pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 7^th, 2016 at 3:39pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 7^th, 2016 at 3:37pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 7^th, 2016 at 11:37am:

I think it is caused by Muslims blowing people up in the street.

Decent white people, you mean?

No babe. Most muslims are being killed by muslims.

shhh - don't tell FD that.

Makes Islam even more culpable, if that's possible.

That’s right, Frank. They’re under orders to kill themselves, no?

Well, they are killing each other in the name of one or another interpretation of Islam, so yes, they are under some sort of order from Mohammed.
Nobody is making the Muslim various sects and apostates kill each other, only their beliefs.

And of course they are killing all the various non-believers for that very reason. With Islam, the killing is easy - other Muslims, non-Muslims, whatever. There is a Koranic verse for every occasion.

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Reply #207 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:39am

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:31am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:28am:

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:21am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:13am:

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:45am:

So you go from a definition of Islamophobia that includes the word irrational, to unfair, to ignorant, to bigoted, then to racist, then go full circle back to Islamophobia.

Who needs a dictionary when you can make it up as you go along eh?

What attributes would you suggest for defining Islamophobia FD? And I don't mean the causes.

Is disagreeing with Hizbut Tahrir Islamophobic?
Hizbut Tahrir say it is.

Could you provide a quote for that gordy?

What exactly would you expect from HuT? Are you defending them?
Do you think they're reasonable?

So I take it they didn't say it then.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia
Reply #208 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:43am

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:31am:

This is you destroying the English language:

You agreed Islamophobia is partly racism. Would you mind explaining what else you think it is - and you may destroy the English language in the process if you wish.

By the way, 'racism' was already a "destruction" of the English language even before I used it. There is no such thing as a "race".

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Reply #209 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:48am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:39am:

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:31am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:28am:

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:21am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 10:13am:

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:45am:

So you go from a definition of Islamophobia that includes the word irrational, to unfair, to ignorant, to bigoted, then to racist, then go full circle back to Islamophobia.

Who needs a dictionary when you can make it up as you go along eh?

What attributes would you suggest for defining Islamophobia FD? And I don't mean the causes.

Is disagreeing with Hizbut Tahrir Islamophobic?
Hizbut Tahrir say it is.

Could you provide a quote for that gordy?

What exactly would you expect from HuT? Are you defending them?
Do you think they're reasonable?

So I take it they didn't say it then.

So you're a HuT supporter now? Kiss

Without a hint of irony the next 10 tweets called me a racist. An Islamophobic bigot, a liar and a whore.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/i-took-on-hizb-uttahrir-and-i-won/ne...

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