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Reply #15 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 5:31pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 4:43pm:
Jesus made no virtue of his own. He inherited it.
I'll take mortal virtue every time.

How's that?
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Reply #16 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 5:37pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 4:25pm:
Yadda wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 9:18am:


QUESTION;

What is inextricably wrong with man's 'ideas', and with the morality of atheism ? !!!



It is all "man's ideas."

If I was to choose between Cardinal Pell or Fred Hollows, I know whose example I would choose.

Cardinal Pell
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Living the good life as created beings depends on living within the limits and according to the truths of the human condition. Purity of heart and the capacity to channel desires toward personal self-mastery in holiness are part of the high calling of the Christian life.


When asked if it was "common knowledge" that Ridsdale abused children:
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It's a sad story and it wasn't of much interest to me



http://monumentaustralia.org.au/content/directory/full/Fred_Hollows-56928-20485....
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"To my mind, having a care and concern for others is the highest of the human qualities"

"I believe that the basic attribute of mankind is to look after each other"

"I'm a little embarrassed about the honors being heaped upon me but I'm not ashamed of it being done."


I can't say that's an unwelcome contribution: he is revered by many for his actions and not words no less!
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Reply #17 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 5:42pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:46am:
But what do you think Yadda

Exactly, yeh: Yadda, if you want quote the bible as a reference that guides your opinion(or the one you wish to convey) I think that's fine but quoting too many is a distraction IMHO!
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Reply #18 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 5:44pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 12:20pm:
Yadda wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 11:28am:
Undoubtedly Fred Hollows is recognised, as a very compassionate and charitable man,       .....but do you believe that Fred Hollows, if he were still alive, would compare his virtue, with the virtue of Jesus Christ ?


He was too humble for that. He was also an atheist, in case you didn't know.

That is a point worth making.
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Reply #19 - Mar 29th, 2016 at 5:52pm
 
What is wrong with man's 'ideas

Nothing ... it's what people do with those ideas that can be a problem.

Take religion for example, the idea is fine in and off itseld, but when people use it to try and control or manipulate others, or as an excuse to claim some 'moral' high ground, then it defeats the purpose of religion in the first place.
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Reply #20 - Mar 30th, 2016 at 8:31am
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 5:31pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 4:43pm:
Jesus made no virtue of his own. He inherited it.
I'll take mortal virtue every time.

How's that?


Give it a minute.
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Reply #21 - Apr 1st, 2016 at 11:16pm
 
Yadda wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 11:21pm:
And i would argue, if that reasoning [i.e. the application of common-sense observation of human motives] is sufficient to cause people to be law-abiding members of society,        ......then please can you explain why do we see such widespread lawlessness within almost every human society today ?

AN ANSWER [which i would suggest];

The widespread lawlessness which we see, is because the political leftists, and political progressives, have undermined any widespread respect for the traditional rules and laws in societies.

Or would you say no, to that argument, and make the case that political leftists, and political progressives have been doing a wonderful job, in producing peaceful and harmonious human societies ?               Tongue

The problem you have, proving a correlation between atheism and lawlessness, is that we live in a time and a place, that is much more  peaceful, and that is much safer than any time where the theist sociopaths held sway.

Despite the sensationalist headlines... we are living in a utopia, when it comes to freedom from violence and crime, despite the fags having the audacity to come out in public.

Yadda wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 11:21pm:
boxy,   You have asserted that;
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Most atheists agree wholeheartedly with most of the basic "commandments", like not killing and cheating and lying.


Do they ?

Really ?

Well, i have argued that the result of this social engineering and experimentation in ethics, by political leftists, and political progressives [UPON A SOCIETY WITH A NOW, LARGELY SECULAR/ATHEIST POPULACE],        .....has actually resulted in a widespread moral and ethical abdication among the real children, of those applied 'progressive' social 'theories'.

Show me a social engineering experiment that goes against core commandments such as not killing, cheating or lying.
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