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Megan Emily Jones New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18 Brisbane, Queensland Gender:	Why are couples having kids out of wedlock? Feb 20^th, 2016 at 10:09pm in this country!
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39227 Gender:	Re: Why are couples having kids out of wedlock? Reply #1 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 10:13pm Megan Emily Jones wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 10:09pm: in this country! I don't know. Do you Megan? Perhaps you can tell us?
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boxy Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 400 Gender:	Re: Why are couples having kids out of wedlock? Reply #2 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 10:39pm Why not? Marriage is on the way out.
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Why are couples having kids out of wedlock? Reply #3 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 10:40pm boxy wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 10:39pm: Marriage is on the way out. Except for homos.
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boxy Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 400 Gender:	Re: Why are couples having kids out of wedlock? Reply #4 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 10:44pm ian wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 10:40pm: boxy wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 10:39pm: Marriage is on the way out. Except for homos. Well, indeed. It's the only real reason I don't care about the issue. Ridiculous institution.
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Re: Why are couples having kids out of wedlock?
Reply #5 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 11:27pm

> free love

> fear of consequences of marriage disaster

> social acceptance of single motherhood

> no difference for responsibilities, so why bother?

> breakdown in social values

> government attacks on the family as the central institution of society, and their seeking to replace it with the State as family

> laziness in relationships

> selfishness

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36060 Gender:	Re: Why are couples having kids out of wedlock? Reply #6 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 11:32pm How is it selfish Grap?
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Reply #7 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 12:17am

mothra wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 11:32pm:

How is it selfish Grap?

I think from not wanting to make that 100% commitment and retain one's own 'freedom'.. that kids require. They are 100% or nothing.

It's too easy to walk away or act out things that wreck the relationship. In retrospect my kid's mother did that - she wanted the kids but was not really interested in the 'family as a whole' relationship - so she engineered conflict by supporting her sister who was blatantly in the wrong, and certifiably insane as well, which the kid's mother knew in advance.

Just not focused on the relationship.. but wanted the kids.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36060 Gender:	Re: Why are couples having kids out of wedlock? Reply #8 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 12:18am But you can be 100% committed without marriage. Don't you think that marriage is a dying institution?
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Reply #9 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 12:22am

mothra wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 12:18am:

But you can be 100% committed without marriage.

Don't you think that marriage is a dying institution?

Yes - true - but it's part of the underlying motivation and issue of rendering a relationship untenable.. usually for the innocent party. Many want to be 'free' while having the perks of a marriage... so it doesn't really work, and was never really intended to. Some make the mistake (as I did) of expecting it to work and be worked at.

Perhaps we are a generation of married people who want to be single.... and when the door was opened to that 'freedom' through easy divorce etc.. many took it without thinking of the long term consequences. Marriage and family is a trade-off between one's own personal freedom and the rights of the family.... mature people say that their family - if well founded with reasonable adults - is worth the 'loss' of personal freedom.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36060 Gender:	Re: Why are couples having kids out of wedlock? Reply #10 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 12:23am Did you have a read Double? Or are you still denying that homosexuality is rife in the animal kingdom?
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36060 Gender:	Re: Why are couples having kids out of wedlock? Reply #11 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 12:23am Sorry. Wrong thread.
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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 87684 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Why are couples having kids out of wedlock? Reply #12 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 12:25am Fork the gays and their rights and their movement.... this world has far more important issues to deal with here and now... lest we all perish from utter stupidity....
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Reply #13 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 12:27am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 12:22am:

mothra wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 12:18am:

But you can be 100% committed without marriage.

Don't you think that marriage is a dying institution?

Yes - true - but it's part of the underlying motivation and issue of rendering a relationship untenable.. usually for the innocent party. Many want to be 'free' while having the perks of a marriage... so it doesn't really work, and was never really intended to. Some make the mistake (as I did) of expecting it to work and be worked at.

Perhaps we are a generation of married people who want to be single.... and when the door was opened to that 'freedom' through easy divorce etc.. many took it without thinking of the long term consequences. Marriage and family is a trade-off between one's own personal freedom and the rights of the family.... mature people say that their family - if well founded with reasonable adults - is worth the 'loss' of personal freedom.

Marriage is nothing but a piece of paper. You can be committed without it.

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Reply #14 - Feb 21^st, 2016 at 12:28am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 21^st, 2016 at 12:25am:

Fork the gays and their rights and their movement.... this world has far more important issues to deal with here and now... lest we all perish from utter stupidity....

Who said there weren't more important issues?

SO give over already. Gays marrying will not hurt anyone. Protracting out the inevitable is utter madness.

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