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Re: Victoria to put people smugglers back in business
Reply #75 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 5:43am

John Smith wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:46pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 8:00pm:

It's about as far-fetched as it gets, even for an nice person like you.

no it's not. All you've done is limit the destination countries by one. You stop them coming here, they go there, you haven't stopped any drownings, just moved it along.

So then what of the 12,000 genuine refugees that Tony Abbott organised to come here before being deposed?

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Re: Victoria to put people smugglers back in business
Reply #76 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 5:46am

stunspore wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 9:04pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

stunspore wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:24pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

stunspore wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

Like i said in the other forum topic thread... libs won't be happy with the higher moral stance exhibited by a lab.

I don't believe Andrews is taking the moral high ground. He isn't. His way will just encourage people smugglers to have another go at sending boatloads of country-shoppers this way. They don't care how many survive the trip. They've been paid already. No, the moral high ground belongs to this government in stopping the boats, which has stopped the drownings and stopped the trauma that was experienced by our RAN & Customs personnel who had to pull the dead bodies from the ocean.

Moral - based on quick google search - principles of right and wrong.

Many perspectives of right and wrong here. Is Andrews right to want to immediately protect these refugees/seekers? From those people's perspective - yes. From lib perspective no - because it undermines their policy.

Is it right that wants to prevent "more deaths"? Yes it is.

If you want to truly stop them landing onto our shores, you would have to make the borders a military zone and shoot all illegal boats. Eventually they would stop coming. Would that be moral if shooting a few boats down will stop zillions in the future? Sounds like a sound lib policy in the making.

Sort of like chinese tactic when hitting pedestrians. Small fine if killed them, but if they survive, then long and expensive medical bills... which is why you hear reports of cars deliberately reversing back their poor victims.

Perhaps armchair is thinking long term - the "short-term" suffering and pain of returning those people and continuous detentions vs. future boats.

What's interesting to me though, is that as libs are after a new slave caste (low paid, if paid at all), why not let these refugees in then. You know, since libs like Swag are "sick" of being "progressive tax" slaves.

Here's a great chance to kill off high paying low skilled workers and their unions by putting in people desperate to do anything. And these people might even vote for libs to thank them for letting them into the country. Pretty much win-win here.

Oh wait - I forgot - there are xenophobic elements in the lib party. Must appease them...or they will abandon ship. Plenty of famous ex-libs already - Slipper, Palmer....hmm fantastic role models?

A number of attackers involved in the Paris massacre had been masquerading as refugees. They managed to get into Paris because of Europe's lax border controls and even more lax politicians who decided to just open the flood gates without any checks or controls on who they let in. Since then, there's been carnage. Choosing who to let in or not let in to our country isn't xenophobia. It's the first responsibility of any government and just plain common sense.

Plenty of politicians (libs) wrecking the country faster than any terrorist.

I thought that was what security checks are for.

I wouldn't think most of the children/babies going to be terrorists...

I would think most people have a stance on this already on this thread. What's more interesting is how the swinging voters will decide.

It's very difficult to do those security checks when those people were encouraged during Labor's reign of terror to throw their passports into the sea to make it nigh on impossible for the weak-kneed Labor government to reject them.

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Re: Victoria to put people smugglers back in business
Reply #77 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 5:47am

stunspore wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 9:43pm:

double plus good wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 9:39pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 6^th, 2016 at 9:37pm:

1 Australian Premier showing compassion, decency and common sense.

Another premier putting his nose into business that doesn't concern him.

If one has influence and uses it to try and do something good with it (whether it is right or misguided depending if you're a lib or not), then it is anyone's business.

To be honest, this thread doesn't have much purpose now other than to "boats" and "save the children" arguments. Pretty much exhausted those points I'm sure. Now probably evolving into "I'm right, you're wrong" and insults.

It's like that Sydney council attempting to ban Israeli products in a boycott. Pointless and stupid.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 49242 Gender:	Re: Victoria to put people smugglers back in business Reply #78 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:10am It is not like that at all. One day you might think but I am not holding my breath. It is about not letting wounded people be moved back to where they were wounded—assault, sexual abuse, rape, daily humiliation by guards etc.
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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Victoria to put people smugglers back in business Reply #79 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:15am Armpit likes seeing children raped.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 49242 Gender:	Re: Victoria to put people smugglers back in business Reply #80 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:22am It seems so.
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Re: Victoria to put people smugglers back in business
Reply #81 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:40am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:15am:

Armpit likes seeing children raped.

No kids were in detention when the Coalition left office in 2007. No kids were dying at sea. Fast forward to 2013 and more than 2,000 kids have been detained by Labor, with hundreds dead at sea. All in the name of Labor's "humanitarian" policy shambles. Fast forward to 2016 and fewer than 80 kids are currently in detention, down from the more than 2,000 that Labor had locked up. So while it's nice that you're concerned about the welfare of these kids (or at least pretend to be), you're a little late in realising this problem that Labor created and which the Coalition is doing a bloody good job of cleaning up. Now, go do something painful with yourself.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 49242 Gender:	Re: Victoria to put people smugglers back in business Reply #82 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:46am blah blah blah Why do you want kids and women returned to where they were raped and assaulted, ArmPit? That is a pretty shocking thing to want.
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Labor voter Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 302 Gender:	Re: Victoria to put people smugglers back in business Reply #83 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:49am Great move by Andrews. He is doing something that the liberals are good at. WEDGE POLITICS and the federal Liberals government and their supporters don't know how to handle it. Has the Victoria opposition come out and say that they will or won't support the plan
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Re: Victoria to put people smugglers back in business
Reply #84 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:08am

Labor voter wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:49am:

Great move by Andrews.

He is doing something that the liberals are good at.

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and the federal Liberals government and their supporters don't know how to handle it.

Has the Victoria opposition come out and say that they will or won't support the plan

The Victoria opposition said it was little more than a stunt and that there are more important things to focus on, like Labor's deficit, the colossal waste of money cancelling a billion-dollar project and other problems affecting Victorians. The Victoria opposition is right on all points.

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Re: Victoria to put people smugglers back in business
Reply #85 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:10am

Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:46am:

blah blah blah

Why do you want kids and women returned to where they were raped and assaulted, ArmPit? That is a pretty shocking thing to want.

I don't, which is why I support the people who are releasing them - the Coalition. A better question is why do YOU support the corrupt mob who locked them up and oversaw their relatives drowning? Why do you support killing and raping and locking up of these people? WHY? Huh

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Re: Victoria to put people smugglers back in business
Reply #86 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:11am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:40am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:15am:

Armpit likes seeing children raped.

No kids were in detention when the Coalition left office in 2007. No kids were dying at sea. Fast forward to 2013 and more than 2,000 kids have been detained by Labor, with hundreds dead at sea. All in the name of Labor's "humanitarian" policy shambles. Fast forward to 2016 and fewer than 80 kids are currently in detention, down from the more than 2,000 that Labor had locked up. So while it's nice that you're concerned about the welfare of these kids (or at least pretend to be), you're a little late in realising this problem that Labor created and which the Coalition is doing a bloody good job of cleaning up. Now, go do something painful with yourself.

Armpit likes to excuse child rape. Armpit, why do you accept child rape?

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Re: Victoria to put people smugglers back in business
Reply #87 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:12am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:08am:

Labor voter wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:49am:

Great move by Andrews.

He is doing something that the liberals are good at.

WEDGE POLITICS

and the federal Liberals government and their supporters don't know how to handle it.

Has the Victoria opposition come out and say that they will or won't support the plan

The Victoria opposition said it was little more than a stunt and that there are more important things to focus on, like Labor's deficit, the colossal waste of money cancelling a billion-dollar project and other problems affecting Victorians. The Victoria opposition is right on all points.

What's more important that child rape? Shame that coalition always supports institutional child rape.

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Re: Victoria to put people smugglers back in business
Reply #88 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:15am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:08am:

Labor voter wrote on Feb 7^th, 2016 at 6:49am:

Great move by Andrews.

He is doing something that the liberals are good at.

WEDGE POLITICS

and the federal Liberals government and their supporters don't know how to handle it.

Has the Victoria opposition come out and say that they will or won't support the plan

The Victoria opposition said it was little more than a stunt and that there are more important things to focus on, like Labor's deficit, the colossal waste of money cancelling a billion-dollar project and other problems affecting Victorians. The Victoria opposition is right on all points.

That ‘project’ would have cost much more than $1Bn and created a loss. That compo was needed can be put down to the Vic Lib govt.

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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Victoria to put people smugglers back in business Reply #89 - Feb 7^th, 2016 at 7:17am What armpit fails to realise: it's one thing to argue the cause of something, it's another to argue the cause but still put the vulnerable back in the same situation. And to support such a move, you're disgusting.
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