moses wrote on Feb 8
th, 2016 at 2:29pm:
If there is no beard. It is not a man. Therefore it is not homosexuality, and totally within the rights of a Muslim man to take little boys, sodomize them and use them in the manner that Allah has pre-ordained.
So there we have it allah ordained sex with little boys, it is quiet o.k. as they have no beards so they really are little females.
They can be used for pleasure by the strong virile muslim man, as allah's law is made for them as a reward for their services.
We all know about the pedophile rings and individuals in western society, however normal decent people regard their actions with horror and absolute disgust. We hate them, they live their sordid lives in shame and secret, always being hunted by the law.
It is not the same in islamic society, child sexual abuse is rampant, and fully acepted by muslims as a pleasure given to them by allah.
Strange. You seem to have missed this bit, Moses:
Quote: Rightfully, this slanderer of Islam and the practices of the Messenger and that which Allah has made halal, has received death threats from clerics, and infuriated some religious political leaders.
I don't think it's right that such a view deserves death threats, but that's just me. There's an entire organization devoted to this argument in the good old US of A: the North American Man and Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA.
NAMBLA does not represent the views of most Americans, just as this guy, as your post states, does not represent the views of most Pakistani Muslims. Homosexuality - and paedophilia - is illegal in Pakistan, beard or no beard.
Alas, Moses, you can't have it both ways. Your arguments here consistently oscillate between two conflicting poles: what Islamic texts say, and what Muslims themselves do and say. When the texts say something different to what Muslims do, you change the meaning of the texts. You even have an ironic little epithet for this:
it doesn't mean what it says.
As we've shown you, the Koran is benign in comparison to the Old Testament with all its death and torture. You have not been successful in explaining why Jews are not bloodthirsty murderers, based on the Torah. Equally, you have not been successful in explaining why Muslims are generally nice people, give or take a few. The Koran contains the ancient Muslim rules of war, but most Muslims are not at war. Your argument that Muslims must automatically be at war with non-Muslims has not been successful either. The Koran explicitly states that non-Muslims should be left alone, or treated fairly in Muslim states.
The fact that some Muslims do indeed believe that they are at war with infidels only proves that Muslims, like Christians, Jews or anybody else, can believe what they like, regardless of their religion. No one recites daily rubbish here about Christians, even though the history of Christianity has been brutal. No one foams away about Jews, even though the Old Testament demands that they cut out the tongues of nagging wives, among other things, or stone them to death for adultery.
Your arguments here are logically inconsistent. The fact that a few Muslims are homicidal maniacs does not, in itself, apply to all Muslims, just as the idea that all Christians and Jews are murderers is equally ridiculous.
When all this is pointed out to you, you blame the messenger, not the failed logic. You've had years here to present your case, but rather than look into it more closely, you simply restate the same thing more forcefully. You blame Muslims. You blame "apologists". You blame everyone but your own inability to present an argument that rests on facts and logic. Even when this failed logic is pointed out to you in your own posts (see above), you rant and rail against the inability of others to see your point. I might be wrong, but I don't think I've ever seen you own a mistake and acknowledge that some of your shots have clearly missed the mark.
If you want to show me where I'm wrong, please feel free. If I'm mistaken, I want to know why all the Muslims I've met and known are, in reality, devious homicidal maniacs who want to kill me, even when everything they do and say indicates that they don't. How can all the Muslims I know, including the one Muslim we have on this board, be tolerant, easy-going people with moderate and progressive views?
I'd really like to know, Moses. How could I possibly have gotten it so wrong?