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Reply #45 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 7:09pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:38pm:

The mining tax was designed to make a profit from the volume of ore extracted....Once it was removed mining companies increased production and drove down the commodity price....Abbott killed two birds with one stone!!!

Is the MRRP Mk1 or Mk 11?

Mk 1 - if the price fell the government would reimburse the mining companies. What would that be costing us now?

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Reply #47 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 7:56am

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:38pm:

The mining tax was designed to make a profit from the volume of ore extracted....Once it was removed mining companies increased production and drove down the commodity price....Abbott killed two birds with one stone!!!

Roll Eyes

Good grief... now you want to blame the global commodity price plunge on Abbott?

Why don't you blame the US snowstorm on Abbott or solar flares?

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Reply #48 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 7:57am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:48pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 2:14pm:

macman wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 1:02pm:

Lee, I really don't understand how you can try to cover up by saying 'that was Abbott'. It was the coalition parties and Morriscum the grub was a senior minister in that coalition. They lied then , they are lying now.

I also pointed out that they said politicians should take tax increases to an election. Do you disagree with that?

Abbott ruled out increasing the GST.

Without an election. Which he and Turnbull did.

Gillard ruled out a Carbon Tax too. Your hypocrisy is shameless.

Without an election.

No you have already been shown that this is wrong.

Really? How was I wrong? the Libs HAVENT increased the GST (so correct on that) and Gillard did promise no Carbon Tax and then brought one in (correct again).

Are you having truth problems again?

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Reply #49 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 9:59am

mariacostel wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 7:57am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:48pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 2:14pm:

macman wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 1:02pm:

Lee, I really don't understand how you can try to cover up by saying 'that was Abbott'. It was the coalition parties and Morriscum the grub was a senior minister in that coalition. They lied then , they are lying now.

I also pointed out that they said politicians should take tax increases to an election. Do you disagree with that?

Abbott ruled out increasing the GST.

Without an election. Which he and Turnbull did.

Gillard ruled out a Carbon Tax too. Your hypocrisy is shameless.

Without an election.

No you have already been shown that this is wrong.

Really? How was I wrong? the Libs HAVENT increased the GST (so correct on that) and Gillard did promise no Carbon Tax and then brought one in (correct again).

Are you having truth problems again?

Funny how my problem with truth relates so closely to your problem with comprehension.

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Reply #50 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:24pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 7:57am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:48pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 2:14pm:

macman wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 1:02pm:

Lee, I really don't understand how you can try to cover up by saying 'that was Abbott'. It was the coalition parties and Morriscum the grub was a senior minister in that coalition. They lied then , they are lying now.

I also pointed out that they said politicians should take tax increases to an election. Do you disagree with that?

Abbott ruled out increasing the GST.

Without an election. Which he and Turnbull did.

Gillard ruled out a Carbon Tax too. Your hypocrisy is shameless.

Without an election.

No you have already been shown that this is wrong.

Really? How was I wrong? the Libs HAVENT increased the GST (so correct on that) and Gillard did promise no Carbon Tax and then brought one in (correct again).

Are you having truth problems again?

The bit that is wrong is that Abbott never made any commitment relation to holding an election - he gave an open guarantee that there would be no GST increase. He committed that the Liberals would not be increasing the GST at all.

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Reply #51 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:32pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:11pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 12:30pm:

GST debate: Scott Morrison backs need for option to raise tax as part of reforms

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Scott Morrison has opened the political new year softening Australians up for an increase in the GST, arguing that reform needs to be on the table if voters want personal income tax relief and a cut to corporate tax to boost economic growth.

I'll just quote the first paragraph here, it sums it up pretty well.

Hockey and Morrison allowed bracket creep to increase the burden of taxation on individuals. Now Morrison is saying that to remove bracket creep, we have to increase the GST.

The agenda is pretty clear: they have been wanting to force an increase in the GST from the very beginning. Even before 2013 election campaign, Abbott let slip the possibility of an increase to the GST. Starving the states of funds was intended to force the states to ask for the increase, and they have not ever ruled out the possibility.

This government wants to transfer more of the burden of taxation from businesses onto individuals.

But Rudd and Gillard did not allow bracket creep? Or keating and Hawke? THe hypocrisy you show is astounding since you criticise the Howard tax cuts which largely dealt with... BRACKET CREEP.

This is called a straw man argument. You can't refute the actual point so you pretend that someone made a different point and try to refute that.

Morrison is using bracket creep to foist a GST increase onto an unwilling public. Did any of the other governments you mentioned try this tactic? No. Not one, not even Howard.

And as usual, your boring and inaccurate pro-Liberal bias fails to include Howard in the list of PMs that allowed bracket creep, and only acknowledged Howard's efforts to remove bracket creep with tax cuts.

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: TAX CHANGES.. TAX CHANGES (read all about it).. Reply #52 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:35pm Dnarever wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 9:59am: Funny how my problem with truth relates so closely to your problem with comprehension. "The GST doesn't change under the Coalition." BROKEN PROMISE. It has already changed - the GST now applies to all online purchases, it didn't before.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 120089 Melbourne Gender:	Re: TAX CHANGES.. TAX CHANGES (read all about it).. Reply #53 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:49pm TAX CHANGES.. TAX CHANGES (read all about it) You wouldn't read about it: The rich are getting richer - the poor get the picture.
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: TAX CHANGES.. TAX CHANGES (read all about it).. Reply #54 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:53pm The ONLY changes that need to be made: 1/ Reinstate the carbon levy. 2/ Reinstate the MRRT. 3/ FORCE corporations and multi-nationals to pay their share. That's ALL that's necessary - forget all the LNP bullsh1t, that's it.
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Reply #55 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 4:12pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 7:57am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:48pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 2:14pm:

macman wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 1:02pm:

Lee, I really don't understand how you can try to cover up by saying 'that was Abbott'. It was the coalition parties and Morriscum the grub was a senior minister in that coalition. They lied then , they are lying now.

I also pointed out that they said politicians should take tax increases to an election. Do you disagree with that?

Abbott ruled out increasing the GST.

Without an election. Which he and Turnbull did.

Gillard ruled out a Carbon Tax too. Your hypocrisy is shameless.

Without an election.

No you have already been shown that this is wrong.

Really? How was I wrong? the Libs HAVENT increased the GST (so correct on that) and Gillard did promise no Carbon Tax and then brought one in (correct again).

Are you having truth problems again?

The bit that is wrong is that Abbott never made any commitment relation to holding an election - he gave an open guarantee that there would be no GST increase. He committed that the Liberals would not be increasing the GST at all.

He did no such thing, you ignoramus. He said there would be no GST increase in his first term and that any such increase would be taken to an a election, which is exactly what the government has done.

You can be gobsmackingly obtuse.

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Reply #56 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 4:15pm

Bam wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:32pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:11pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 12:30pm:

GST debate: Scott Morrison backs need for option to raise tax as part of reforms

Quote:

Scott Morrison has opened the political new year softening Australians up for an increase in the GST, arguing that reform needs to be on the table if voters want personal income tax relief and a cut to corporate tax to boost economic growth.

I'll just quote the first paragraph here, it sums it up pretty well.

Hockey and Morrison allowed bracket creep to increase the burden of taxation on individuals. Now Morrison is saying that to remove bracket creep, we have to increase the GST.

The agenda is pretty clear: they have been wanting to force an increase in the GST from the very beginning. Even before 2013 election campaign, Abbott let slip the possibility of an increase to the GST. Starving the states of funds was intended to force the states to ask for the increase, and they have not ever ruled out the possibility.

This government wants to transfer more of the burden of taxation from businesses onto individuals.

But Rudd and Gillard did not allow bracket creep? Or keating and Hawke? THe hypocrisy you show is astounding since you criticise the Howard tax cuts which largely dealt with... BRACKET CREEP.

This is called a straw man argument. You can't refute the actual point so you pretend that someone made a different point and try to refute that.

Morrison is using bracket creep to foist a GST increase onto an unwilling public. Did any of the other governments you mentioned try this tactic? No. Not one, not even Howard.

And as usual, your boring and inaccurate pro-Liberal bias fails to include Howard in the list of PMs that allowed bracket creep, and only acknowledged Howard's efforts to remove bracket creep with tax cuts.

More deflection from the company-hating, labor-loving Bambi. You cannot - simple cannot - complain about bracket creep over a mere 2 years while ignoring all the bracket creep of of Labor years. Nor can you continue to complain ludicrously about Howard-era tax cuts that RETURNED BRACKET CREEP. It is a gobsmackingly hypocritical position. Of course, that is your standard position on everything - hypocrisy.

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Reply #57 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 4:17pm

Kat wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:53pm:

The ONLY changes that need to be made:

1/ Reinstate the carbon levy.

2/ Reinstate the MRRT.

3/ FORCE corporations and multi-nationals to pay their share.

That's ALL that's necessary - forget all the LNP bullsh1t, that's it.

You are such a clown. With the original MRRT, the government would now be REIMBURSING the mining companies for low commodity prices. With the second MRRT the government would be receiving $0.

Great idea. Only a bike assembler could come up with it.

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Reply #58 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 4:47pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 4:12pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 7:57am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:48pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 3:27pm:

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 2:14pm:

macman wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 1:02pm:

Lee, I really don't understand how you can try to cover up by saying 'that was Abbott'. It was the coalition parties and Morriscum the grub was a senior minister in that coalition. They lied then , they are lying now.

I also pointed out that they said politicians should take tax increases to an election. Do you disagree with that?

Abbott ruled out increasing the GST.

Without an election. Which he and Turnbull did.

Gillard ruled out a Carbon Tax too. Your hypocrisy is shameless.

Without an election.

No you have already been shown that this is wrong.

Really? How was I wrong? the Libs HAVENT increased the GST (so correct on that) and Gillard did promise no Carbon Tax and then brought one in (correct again).

Are you having truth problems again?

The bit that is wrong is that Abbott never made any commitment relation to holding an election - he gave an open guarantee that there would be no GST increase. He committed that the Liberals would not be increasing the GST at all.

He did no such thing, you ignoramus. He said there would be no GST increase in his first term and that any such increase would be taken to an a election, which is exactly what the government has done.

You can be gobsmackingly obtuse.

What you are saying is the retrospective position that conservatives wish was true.

Fact is that he did promise no GST increase with no strings attached.

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Reply #59 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 4:49pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 4:15pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:32pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 6:11pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 12:30pm:

GST debate: Scott Morrison backs need for option to raise tax as part of reforms

Quote:

Scott Morrison has opened the political new year softening Australians up for an increase in the GST, arguing that reform needs to be on the table if voters want personal income tax relief and a cut to corporate tax to boost economic growth.

I'll just quote the first paragraph here, it sums it up pretty well.

Hockey and Morrison allowed bracket creep to increase the burden of taxation on individuals. Now Morrison is saying that to remove bracket creep, we have to increase the GST.

The agenda is pretty clear: they have been wanting to force an increase in the GST from the very beginning. Even before 2013 election campaign, Abbott let slip the possibility of an increase to the GST. Starving the states of funds was intended to force the states to ask for the increase, and they have not ever ruled out the possibility.

This government wants to transfer more of the burden of taxation from businesses onto individuals.

But Rudd and Gillard did not allow bracket creep? Or keating and Hawke? THe hypocrisy you show is astounding since you criticise the Howard tax cuts which largely dealt with... BRACKET CREEP.

This is called a straw man argument. You can't refute the actual point so you pretend that someone made a different point and try to refute that.

Morrison is using bracket creep to foist a GST increase onto an unwilling public. Did any of the other governments you mentioned try this tactic? No. Not one, not even Howard.

And as usual, your boring and inaccurate pro-Liberal bias fails to include Howard in the list of PMs that allowed bracket creep, and only acknowledged Howard's efforts to remove bracket creep with tax cuts.

More deflection from the company-hating, labor-loving Bambi. You cannot - simple cannot - complain about bracket creep over a mere 2 years while ignoring all the bracket creep of of Labor years. Nor can you continue to complain ludicrously about Howard-era tax cuts that RETURNED BRACKET CREEP. It is a gobsmackingly hypocritical position. Of course, that is your standard position on everything - hypocrisy.

As far as I can see Morrison is the only person talking about Bracket creep and he isn't referring to himself.

To put it into perspective he wants to justify increasing the GST in order to temporarily fix bracket creep, now there is a great idea the biggest permanent tax increase in Australias's history in order to provide a temp adjustment to bracket creep.

But hold on the GST goes to the states and can not be used to do anything about any creeps.

Here is a government with debt and spending problems, bracket creep adds money to their income and helps towards the deficit, This is not a problem for government at all.

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