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Reply #92 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 4:39pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 4:18pm:

Because it was more than enough to recognise you as a one-toothed hokey, probably married to your sister and wishing for the old days of slavery.

Hmmm.. Well I was born in Brunswick East, in Melbourne. I am a Muslim and I actually married a beautiful African American woman.. So I guess you're wrong about all of that... Way to go, judging me before even knowing me the slightest.

mariacostel wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 4:18pm:

Our idea of freedom involves the ABSENCE of guns. Not how many people have been killed in mass-shootings in the last 19 years? NONE. Try telling that to the 900,000 people killed by guns in USA.

No mass shootings in Australia in the last 19 years? Let's examine that.

Wedderburn mass shooting in 2014
Hunt family murders in 2014
Hectorville Siege in 2011
Monash University mass shooting in 2002

I guess it wasn't none afterall!

As for the people killed by guns in the USA. I wonder how many of those were suicides? How many were in places where it is illegal to own a gun?

As for being free relying on the absence of guns. I mean that's a little silly don't you think.. Leaving guns only in the hands of criminals and the government, both of which will usurp your rights very quickly while you have no means to defend yourself?

But I can see why you wouldn't find guns useful in that situation. Australians don't know what rights are and see them as privileges so of course they won't fight to protect their rights and will bend over and take it in the tailpipe if the government wants to infringe on those rights.

That's why I love the US, we have protections against that.

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Reply #93 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 4:49pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 4:39pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 4:18pm:

Because it was more than enough to recognise you as a one-toothed hokey, probably married to your sister and wishing for the old days of slavery.

Hmmm.. Well I was born in Brunswick East, in Melbourne. I am a Muslim and I actually married a beautiful African American woman.. So I guess you're wrong about all of that... Way to go, judging me before even knowing me the slightest.

mariacostel wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 4:18pm:

Our idea of freedom involves the ABSENCE of guns. Not how many people have been killed in mass-shootings in the last 19 years? NONE. Try telling that to the 900,000 people killed by guns in USA.

No mass shootings in Australia in the last 19 years? Let's examine that.

Wedderburn mass shooting in 2014
Hunt family murders in 2014
Hectorville Siege in 2011
Monash University mass shooting in 2002

I guess it wasn't none afterall!

As for the people killed by guns in the USA. I wonder how many of those were suicides? How many were in places where it is illegal to own a gun?

As for being free relying on the absence of guns. I mean that's a little silly don't you think.. Leaving guns only in the hands of criminals and the government, both of which will usurp your rights very quickly while you have no means to defend yourself?

But I can see why you wouldn't find guns useful in that situation. Australians don't know what rights are and see them as privileges so of course they won't fight to protect their rights and will bend over and take it in the tailpipe if the government wants to infringe on those rights.

That's why I love the US, we have protections against that.

You've been here at OzPol before spruiking this claptrap. Forget which name you used. You probably have too. Doubt you'll hear from me in this Thread now.

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Neferti Gold Member Offline Posts: 7965 Canberra Gender:	Re: How do you define liberty? Reply #95 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 5:01pm Aussie wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 4:49pm: Monash University mass shooting in 2002 You've been here at OzPol before spruiking this claptrap. Forget which name you used. You probably have too. Doubt you'll hear from me in this Thread now. Aussie STALKING ....
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Reply #96 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 5:21pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 4:39pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 4:18pm:

Because it was more than enough to recognise you as a one-toothed hokey, probably married to your sister and wishing for the old days of slavery.

Hmmm.. Well I was born in Brunswick East, in Melbourne. I am a Muslim and I actually married a beautiful African American woman.. So I guess you're wrong about all of that... Way to go, judging me before even knowing me the slightest.

mariacostel wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 4:18pm:

Our idea of freedom involves the ABSENCE of guns. Not how many people have been killed in mass-shootings in the last 19 years? NONE. Try telling that to the 900,000 people killed by guns in USA.

No mass shootings in Australia in the last 19 years? Let's examine that.

Wedderburn mass shooting in 2014
Hunt family murders in 2014
Hectorville Siege in 2011
Monash University mass shooting in 2002

I guess it wasn't none afterall!

As for the people killed by guns in the USA. I wonder how many of those were suicides? How many were in places where it is illegal to own a gun?

As for being free relying on the absence of guns. I mean that's a little silly don't you think.. Leaving guns only in the hands of criminals and the government, both of which will usurp your rights very quickly while you have no means to defend yourself?

But I can see why you wouldn't find guns useful in that situation. Australians don't know what rights are and see them as privileges so of course they won't fight to protect their rights and will bend over and take it in the tailpipe if the government wants to infringe on those rights.

That's why I love the US, we have protections against that.

Against what? 400 mass shootings this year alone? 35,000 gun deaths every year?

And of course you are a Muslim. A muslim with a gun-love. Might as well start your own uprising.

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Reply #97 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 10:49pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 8:29am:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 8:00am:

Side question: do you think being free brings happiness? Do you think happiness even requires freedom?

Some people are content with being lapdogs and find happiness in other diversions, such as reality TV, drinking and games.

I've lived in Absolute Monarchies, Tyrannical Dictatorships and even Constitutional Monarchies like Australia where I was born and raised and there is no way that I could stand the lack of liberty in Australia, which is why I moved to the US years ago. Liberty is respected here a great deal more and I love it.

Do you mean they are more free, or they talk about it more?

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Reply #98 - Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 10:53pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 5:21pm:

Against what? 400 mass shootings this year alone? 35,000 gun deaths every year?

And of course you are a Muslim. A muslim with a gun-love. Might as well start your own uprising.

Do you think those mass shootings will stop with guns being banned? They won't. It will just leave guns in the hands of criminals and the government, none of those can be trusted with them.

As for me starting my own uprising? Why would I? I love this system of government and would only raise arms to protect it.

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Reply #99 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:49am

Lafayette wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 10:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 5:21pm:

Against what? 400 mass shootings this year alone? 35,000 gun deaths every year?

And of course you are a Muslim. A muslim with a gun-love. Might as well start your own uprising.

Do you think those mass shootings will stop with guns being banned? They won't. It will just leave guns in the hands of criminals and the government, none of those can be trusted with them.

As for me starting my own uprising? Why would I? I love this system of government and would only raise arms to protect it.

Well WE banned guns and yes, the mass shooting have disappeared.

I always love listening to the excuses and rants of pro-gun nut americans. No number of deaths is ever enough to do anything about it.

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Reply #100 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:59am

Lafayette wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 10:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 5:21pm:

Against what? 400 mass shootings this year alone? 35,000 gun deaths every year?

And of course you are a Muslim. A muslim with a gun-love. Might as well start your own uprising.

Do you think those mass shootings will stop with guns being banned? They won't. It will just leave guns in the hands of criminals and the government, none of those can be trusted with them.

As for me starting my own uprising? Why would I? I love this system of government and would only raise arms to protect it.

Ironically, the vast majority of mass shootings and (I believe) EVERY school shooting was done by someone without a criminal record ie not a criminal.

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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: How do you define liberty? Reply #101 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 3:14pm and layfayette has fled... Probably to plan a mass shooting.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: How do you define liberty? Reply #102 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 3:22pm Lafayette wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2015 at 10:53pm: Do you think those mass shootings will stop with guns being banned? no, but they will be significantly reduced, and thats a good start.
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Reply #103 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 3:55pm

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:49am:

Well WE banned guns and yes, the mass shooting have disappeared.

Actually, I just showed you earlier how there have been several mass shootings in the past 19 years, several last year in fact.

But you know, I could also stop all road traffic accidents by banning all cars.. Just like I could probably also stop obesity by banning spoons..

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:49am:

I always love listening to the excuses and rants of pro-gun nut americans. No number of deaths is ever enough to do anything about it.

Tell me, do you believe that the government should have a monopoly on violence?

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Reply #104 - Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 4:27pm

Lafayette wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 3:55pm:

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:49am:

Well WE banned guns and yes, the mass shooting have disappeared.

Actually, I just showed you earlier how there have been several mass shootings in the past 19 years, several last year in fact.

But you know, I could also stop all road traffic accidents by banning all cars.. Just like I could probably also stop obesity by banning spoons..

mariacostel wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2015 at 6:49am:

I always love listening to the excuses and rants of pro-gun nut americans. No number of deaths is ever enough to do anything about it.

Tell me, do you believe that the government should have a monopoly on violence?

As you carefully sidestep the FOUR HUNDRED mass shootings in USA this year alone plus 35,000 gun deaths.

You just love your guns and we all know why. They are long...

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