Binary wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 3:12pm:



You may as well, because whilst your disagreement with gays seems to be moral, using dodgy facts shouldnt be used here.

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John_Taverner wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 10:31pm:


You don't have to be gay to see the plain truth that being homosexual is a terrible experience.
Higher chance of AIDS, higher suicide rate, hated by huge part of society.
Never be able to have a real family with a child that is both from you and your partner.
Unless of course gay people like all of that.

If it made perfect logical sense by human standards to believe in God then that belief would mean nothing.
The reason atheists dismiss religion is because its impossible for them to wrap
their heads around the concept of faith.
The only thing this video highlights is the fact that believing in God necessitates
an admission of trust in him and how he has revealed himself to us.

Binary wrote on May 2^nd, 2016 at 12:53am:



Are you talking about the Sun God or the sea God or the Moon God?

John_Taverner wrote on May 2^nd, 2016 at 7:23am:


You would have to believe that for reasons beyond your comprehension,
the God you were revealed and raised under was the right one.
But only if you apply a certain amount of skepticism to that religion
and feel justified in your heart that it is correct for yourself.

For example I was raised as a Catholic. This completely unique fact allowed me
a window into the religion that has resulted in a complete understanding
of it and its meaning beyond the regular person.
Much like a Muslim born into Islam, they can see beyond what it is
by virtue of their own circumstances, to the deeper level of its effect
on both their community and themselves.

In a nutshell, your religion is just that, YOUR religion. I choose to be Catholic because naturally I was raised as one.
I don't advocate people to merely accept this, but to push against it and decide whether it is right for them.
I will never know another religion in the way that I know Catholicism, and if not merely for that fact,
it is the correct one, at least as far as I am concerned.

Otherwise were I born somewhere in the Middle East,
after stressing that religion I would probably be a Muslim. Unless of course it failed my skepticism
even under the heightened understanding I was afforded through being raised completely in it.
Then perhaps I would consider converting to Christianity. It is hard to say, this is all hypothetical.

But the truth is I wasn't born there, and I never will be Muslim.
For whatever reason I was born into the family I have.
It was fated that I would be afforded a clear view into Catholicism, and applying a skeptical nature to it, I am still confident
in my understanding of it, and how I use it to shape my morals, values and life.
Therefore it is a religion of my choosing, but I would not imagine ever being anything else. It is who I am.

John_Taverner wrote on May 2^nd, 2016 at 3:27pm:


Thanks. I'd say your view as a religious naturalist is probably quite similar to a Catholics.
By being an honest, grounded person, living a life of humility and love for others, you are following the correct path.
Catholicism is just an attempt to document that path, so that it may be shared and help others.
A Catholic strives to 'do what is right'.
We reflect on the teachings of others who came before us to discern this, most notably Jesus Christ.

It is still completely possible to live the Catholic way without ever knowing God. But it would be very difficult
and you would probably fall into many traps and mistakes before you ended up figuring it out.
I believe that God wants us to be happy, and by following his example and rules we can be the best person possible, for ourselves and others.

If you aim to live a truly sustainable, ethical, moral life then you are already basically a Catholic.
Here is a good example of what Catholics strive for:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_virtues

Of course Catholicism is a very old religion.  At it's core it has been preserved over 2000 years.
As a Catholic sometimes you must have faith, and use the critical faculty that God has given you
to discern the meaning through what has survived to the modern day, and how it applies to you in your life.

John_Taverner wrote on May 2^nd, 2016 at 4:43pm:


You make fair points, but essentially it comes down to this.
Do we want to integrate something wrong into society, in the hopes that it stops being wrong?
Or do we want to stop people doing the wrong thing?

I suppose that depends on whether you believe homosexuality is a choice or not.
The point is that we should not encourage something which is so clearly barbaric and unnatural.
Homosexuals aren't right in the head, they twist their natural sexuality and it leads to neuroticism.
Their liberal policies spill out into the rest of society, poisoning other areas.

There is a delicate balance established in biology and nature, which has existed over thousands of years of humanity.
Upsetting this balance by encouraging homosexuality, in time will destroy the foundations of our society.