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Reply #1020 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 12:58pm

red baron wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 12:54pm:

Condescending is it Aussie. All I'm doing is serving up the Gregg what he has been piling onto cods for quite some time now. And you have been backing him up.

Well cods has a friend too and I'm backing cods.

Between the two of you undeservedly berating cods you have forced cods off the post.

Get stuffed you won't get rid of me. I wouldn't give you the satisfaction. Was just about the rack the cue on this but now I think I'll hang around if only, to give it back to you two in spades.

You have no humility Aussie Angry

Now I'm weally sked!

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143958 Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #1021 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 12:59pm red baron wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 12:54pm: Between the two of you undeservedly berating cods ... Never happened. She was given factual information, in a bid to prevent her making the same mistake again. Moreover, it worked. All is good.
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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #1022 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:01pm And here I was thinking that only men who dealt with 'angry men' got scared occasionally...But blow me down, Solicitors do too!!! Get sked that is.
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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #1023 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:02pm All for her own good was it Gregg..well then, you should really be proud of yourself.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143958 Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #1024 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:03pm red baron wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:02pm: All for her own good was it Gregg..well then, you should really be proud of yourself. It was for the benefit of everyone. And yes, I'm extremely proud of myself. Education is a wonderful thing.
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Reply #1025 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:18pm

In stating your qualifications you stated in part of it.

"Cops eventually ceased using their Copper Prosecutor and engaged private Counsel to appear against me even in minor traffic type matters. That did not change my success rate at all because the problem was usually lazy or incompetent police work and witnesses."

I have been wondering about this part of your post Aussie. I did seven years of my service in the Police Traffic Branch, much of this in vetting 'high end' cases such as Drive in a Manner Dangerous to the Public, Culpable Driving, Drive in Drive at a Speed Dangerous to the Public' and so on.

In New South Wales whilst involved in the Traffic Laws Section, I have never heard of a Prosecution initially being taken out of the hands of the Police Prosecutor unless it got booted upstairs to the District Court. Which is normal procedure for heavy duty matters.

How is it that you were so 'clever' at dealing with traffic matters that they had to bring in Private Counsel to deal with you.

Funny...I have never seen a Police Prosecutor here so bamboozled that he couldn't prosecute the matter correctly.

I certainly have see briefs that haven't been prepared properly and have had the Prosecutor run off his feet to correct 'errors'

But what you are describing, quite frankly, I don't believe it.

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Reply #1026 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:20pm

red baron wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:18pm:

In stating your qualifications you stated in part of it.

"Cops eventually ceased using their Copper Prosecutor and engaged private Counsel to appear against me even in minor traffic type matters. That did not change my success rate at all because the problem was usually lazy or incompetent police work and witnesses."

I have been wondering about this part of your post Aussie. I did seven years of my service in the Police Traffic Branch, much of this in vetting 'high end' cases such as Drive in a Manner Dangerous to the Public, Culpable Driving, Drive in Drive at a Speed Dangerous to the Public' and so on.

In New South Wales whilst involved in the Traffic Laws Section, I have never heard of a Prosecution initially being taken out of the hands of the Police Prosecutor unless it got booted upstairs to the District Court. Which is normal procedure for heavy duty matters.

How is it that you were so 'clever' at dealing with traffic matters that they had to bring in Private Counsel to deal with you.

Funny...I have never seen a Police Prosecutor here so bamboozled that he couldn't prosecute the matter correctly.

I certainly have see briefs that haven't been prepared properly and have had the Prosecutor run off his feet to correct 'errors'

But what you are describing, quite frankly, I don't believe it.

Your problem, not mine.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #1027 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:24pm No it isn't my problem..it's your problem. You are the one who had to, tweak his ego and publish that you were so astute, that the Police Prosecutors weren't up to the mark in facing you. CRAP!!!!!!!!!! Your biggest weakness is your EGO Aussie.
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Reply #1028 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:27pm

red baron wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:24pm:

No it isn't my problem..it's your problem.

You are the one who had to, tweak his ego and publish that you were so astute, that the Police Prosecutors weren't up to the mark in facing you.

CRAP!!!!!!!!!! Your biggest weakness is your EGO Aussie.

You asked about my qualifications and now you whinge about the answer. That is your problem, as I said.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #1029 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:48pm That bit I quoted, that's not stating your qualifications, that's being a blow hard. And like I said that bit I don't believe. You've stretched it too far Aussie. No way that part is real.
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Reply #1030 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 2:01pm

red baron wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:48pm:

That bit I quoted, that's not stating your qualifications, that's being a blow hard.

And like I said that bit I don't believe. You've stretched it too far Aussie.

No way that part is real.

You were challenging my qualifications, particularly Court Room/advocacy experience . (Must I quote the relevant Posts to remind you?) I could have ignored you and maybe I should, as it has been a waste of time providing the brief details I did at your request. Believe what you want. That is not my problem.

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Reply #1031 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 2:19pm

I will quote your Posts just to demonstrate.

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red baron wrote on Jan 17th, 2016 at 5:26pm:
Oh Aussie and regarding how 'my copper mates' would have been all over the Prosecutor if he didn't pursue the Insurance thing if it counted.

Sometimes I wonder how many times you have actually been in Court fighting criminal matters.

If you did, you would realise that once the Crown takes over proceedings, it is 'their ball game' not the Coppers. Other than assisting the Crown and giving evidence it is the Crown who wears the big boots.

Your words 'Coppers being all over the Prosecutor' its enough to have me accuse you of impersonating a Criminal Lawyer.

Did you see the highlighted bit Mr Baron?

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Reply #982 - Jan 18th, 2016 at 9:20am
Gregg you having been on a wing and a prayer ever since you started posting on this thread. You are way out of your depth and it shows.

I even have severe doubts about Aussie's experience in Murder trials. How many did you do Aussie...any?

Your comments about what the Police should have been doing with the Crown Prosecutor leads me to believe that you don't have much knowledge procedure in Trials before a Jury.

Are you a Q.C. or are you a journeyman Solicitor who plied his trade mainly in the lower Courts? There are question marks in my mind about your experience in Murder Trials.

I went to a stack of Murder Trials representing the Police in Telephone Intercepts. Usually I was there for most of the trial.

How about you Aussie, how much time have you spent in the Courtroom when a Murder Trial has been on?

Relevance...this goes to experience.

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Reply #994 - Jan 18th, 2016 at 12:36pm
So are you a Solicitor?

Nothing wrong with that.

Have you instructed Q.C.s in Murder trials?

I give you a brief outline, and it was a waste of time.

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Reply #1032 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 2:43pm

No it wasn't a waste of time Aussie....I bought everything you said up until you started stretching the truth.

You see when you started banging on about the fact that you were so clever that they had to start hiring Private Counsel because the Omnipotent Aussie was too good for the hacks on the Police Prosecution Branch.

That's when I knew I had a 'live one' on the line.

Know what I think Aussie? I think you were a battling Solicitor who did some time in the Lower Courts.

You just had to pull that wire that little bit too hard, didn't you.

How many times have I seen Crims bring themselves undone because they had big bloody heads, which overtook their logic.

What you're selling..I'm not buying the package Aussie, only part of it.

I'm sure you were competent enough plying your trade in minor Court matters.

The rest, well move over Walter Mitty.

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Reply #1033 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 2:47pm

red baron wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 2:43pm:

No it wasn't a waste of time Aussie....I bought everything you said up until you started stretching the truth.

You see when you started banging on about the fact that you were so clever that they had to start hiring Private Counsel because the Omnipotent Aussie was too good for the hacks on the Police Prosecution Branch.

That's when I knew I had a 'live one' on the line.

Know what I think Aussie? I think you were a battling Solicitor who did some time in the Lower Courts.

You just had to pull that wire that little bit too hard, didn't you.

How many times have I seen Crims bring themselves undone because they had big bloody heads, which overtook their logic.

What you're selling..I'm not buying the package Aussie, only part of it.

I'm sure you were competent enough plying your trade in minor Court matters.

The rest, well move over Walter Mitty.

Suit yourself. I know who is kidding themself with wild and ignorant speculation.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Baden Clay wins appeal. Reply #1034 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 2:48pm Sure Aussie, sure
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